AI Algorithms and the Future of Global Diplomacy

20 Feb 2026 11:00h - 12:00h

AI Algorithms and the Future of Global Diplomacy

Session at a glance

Summary

This panel discussion at the AI Impact Summit in Delhi explored how artificial intelligence is transforming diplomacy and foreign policy, featuring experts from German and Indian institutions. The conversation examined AI both as a diplomatic tool and as a subject of international relations, with particular focus on cooperation between middle powers like Germany and India.


Raphael Leuner from the German Federal Foreign Office described how data labs established across German ministries are using AI for practical diplomatic tasks, such as processing large volumes of documents and supporting negotiations. He emphasized the importance of fast co-creation within organizations and highlighted concerns about the growing adoption of Chinese open-source AI models globally. Dr. Shahani Yaktiyami from the German Marshall Fund provided geopolitical context, arguing that while AI technology is new, the tactics of using technology for diplomatic leverage are not, drawing parallels to previous technological revolutions like the Industrial and nuclear ages.


The panelists discussed how great powers like the US and China compete at the frontier level of AI development, while middle powers like Germany and India can leverage their specific strengths in the AI value chain. Germany’s regulatory expertise and India’s focus on applications and deployment were identified as complementary advantages. Norman Schulz from the German Foreign Office explained governance initiatives including the Global Digital Compact and the establishment of an international scientific panel on AI to make discussions more inclusive beyond just the leading AI powers.


The discussion emphasized that AI adoption is still in early stages, with significant opportunities for collaboration between middle powers in areas like industrial AI, healthcare applications, and open-source model development. Panelists agreed that while AI can automate tedious tasks and improve information processing, human decision-making and innovative thinking remain essential, particularly in sensitive areas like narrative shaping and geopolitical analysis.


Keypoints

Major Discussion Points:

AI as a diplomatic tool and government implementation: The discussion explored how AI is being practically implemented in foreign ministries, particularly through Germany’s data labs initiative, focusing on applications like document analysis for negotiations and the advantages of rapid co-creation within government organizations.


Geopolitical dimensions of AI and middle power cooperation: Participants examined how AI is reshaping international relations, with emphasis on the competition between major powers (US and China) and the strategic positioning of middle powers like Germany and India through technology diplomacy and collaborative approaches.


Open source AI models and technological sovereignty: The conversation addressed concerns about the dominance of Chinese open source AI models and the importance of developing alternative models through Indo-German cooperation, balancing sovereignty concerns with practical collaboration needs.


AI governance frameworks and international cooperation: Discussion of global governance mechanisms including the UN Global Digital Compact, the International Scientific Panel on AI, and the need for inclusive international dialogue beyond just major AI powers.


Practical applications and sectoral cooperation: Focus on specific areas where Germany and India could collaborate effectively, such as industrial AI, healthcare applications, and leveraging each country’s unique strengths (Germany’s industrial expertise and data, India’s technical workforce and cost-effective innovation).


Overall Purpose:

The discussion aimed to explore both the practical applications of AI in diplomacy and foreign policy, as well as the broader geopolitical implications of AI development, with particular focus on how middle powers like Germany and India can collaborate effectively in the AI landscape.


Overall Tone:

The tone was professional and collaborative throughout, with participants demonstrating mutual respect and shared interest in finding constructive solutions. The conversation maintained an optimistic outlook about middle power cooperation while acknowledging real geopolitical challenges. There were moments of light humor (particularly around think tank reports and the inclusivity of the discussion), but the overall tenor remained serious and forward-looking, emphasizing practical solutions over theoretical concerns.


Speakers

Gunda Ehmke: Moderator/Host of the discussion


Raphael Leuner: Data Scientist at the German Federal Foreign Office, works in the data and AI labs of the Foreign Office


Shahani Yaktiyami: Senior Officer, Technology Program at the German Marshall Fund (Dr.)


Norman Schulz: Consulate at the Coordination Staff, AI and Digital Technologies at the German Foreign Office


Shyam Krishnakumar: Works at an institute (appears to be associated with Pranav Institute based on context), focuses on emerging technology, public policy, and society from an India-first perspective


Audience: Multiple audience members who asked questions during the Q&A session, including:


– Sreeni: Student at Ashoka University


– Sanjeevni: Radio journalist working in the UK


Additional speakers:


None identified beyond those in the speakers names list.


Full session report

This panel discussion at the AI Impact Summit in Delhi, moderated by Gunda Ehmke, brought together German and Indian experts to examine artificial intelligence’s transformative role in diplomacy and foreign policy. The conversation featured Raphael Leuner from the German Federal Foreign Office, Dr. Shahani Yaktiyami from the German Marshall Fund, Norman Schulz from the German Foreign Office, and Shyam Krishnakumar from the Takshashila Institution. Together, they provided both practical insights into AI implementation in government and strategic analysis of the geopolitical implications of AI development, with particular emphasis on cooperation between middle powers.


Historical Context: Technology and Diplomacy

Dr. Shahani Yaktiyami provided crucial historical framing that positioned the entire discussion within broader patterns of technological change. Her observation that “the tech is new, but the tactics aren’t” placed AI within a continuum of technological revolutions that have consistently shaped international relations. Drawing parallels to the Industrial Revolution, nuclear development, and the space race, she argued that technology has always informed diplomatic strategies throughout history.


This historical perspective proved essential for understanding current AI geopolitics. Just as previous technological revolutions created frontrunners and eventually required international cooperation to manage risks, AI is following similar patterns. The current competition between the United States and China at the frontier level mirrors historical technological races, while the eventual need for international cooperation echoes past experiences with nuclear technology following crises like the Cuban Missile Crisis.


Yaktiyami’s analysis distinguished between great powers competing at the frontier level and middle powers that must find alternative positions on the AI value chain. While the United States and China leverage their capabilities in developing cutting-edge AI models, countries like Germany and India must identify different sources of influence—Germany through its historical strength in regulation and rule-making, India through its focus on applications and deployment.


AI as a Diplomatic Tool: Germany’s Practical Implementation

Raphael Leuner offered unique insights into how AI is being practically implemented within the German government. He explained that Germany’s decision in 2021 to establish 16 data labs across the federal government represented a significant shift from traditional IT development approaches. This initiative placed data scientists directly within ministries, creating what Leuner described as “very, very short contacts and short paths” to colleagues working both in Berlin and internationally.


The German approach prioritizes rapid co-creation over traditional IT development cycles that previously took two years and involved large teams and substantial costs. Leuner argued that such lengthy processes are fundamentally incompatible with the fast-moving nature of AI development, particularly when government officials are already experiencing AI capabilities in their personal lives.


In practical terms, the German Foreign Office is using AI primarily for document analysis and negotiation support. Modern diplomacy, as Leuner explained, increasingly involves “digging through huge piles of documents” to understand the positions of other countries and the influence of NGOs, academia, and corporations in complex negotiation processes. AI’s capacity to process and analyze large volumes of information makes it particularly valuable for these tasks, freeing diplomats to focus on relationship building and innovative thinking.


Significantly, the German Foreign Office has made what Leuner called a “consequential but important decision” to focus primarily on open source technologies for their AI implementations. This choice reflects both practical considerations around flexibility and customization, as well as strategic concerns about technological dependencies. However, Leuner highlighted a concerning trend: many of the leading open source AI models being adopted globally are now originating from China, creating potential geopolitical vulnerabilities even within supposedly open systems.


India’s Strategic Positioning and Innovation

Shyam Krishnakumar provided specific insights into India’s positioning in the global AI landscape. He described India as being in a “very interesting place”—not lagging behind but not yet capable of building frontier models. However, India’s strengths lie in contextual innovation, with the recent release of 14 AI models over 14 days demonstrating grassroots innovation focused on native language use cases and cost-effective inference at scale.


Krishnakumar drew a powerful analogy to the 1990s open source revolution, when volunteers built operating systems at a fraction of traditional costs, challenging established technological dominance. He suggested that collaborative open source AI development could similarly democratize access and reduce the factor costs of AI deployment, offering middle powers a viable alternative to competing directly with the massive investments required for frontier model development.


The AI Impact Summit itself represents India’s strategic positioning in global technology diplomacy. As the discussion revealed, India has reframed the summit from France’s previous “AI Action Summit” to the current “AI Impact Summit,” emphasizing deployment and practical applications over theoretical frameworks. This positioning allows India to claim space in global technology diplomacy after being excluded from previous technological revolutions due to colonial encounters.


Middle Power Cooperation and Indo-German Opportunities

The concept of middle power cooperation emerged as a central theme throughout the discussion. The speakers identified several promising areas for Indo-German collaboration, combining each country’s distinct strengths rather than attempting to compete directly with frontier AI developers.


Industrial AI emerged as a particularly compelling opportunity, combining Germany’s industrial expertise and automation capabilities with India’s technical workforce and model-building capacity. Healthcare AI represents another significant area, with India performing ten times more surgeries than other countries, generating valuable data that could be combined with Germany’s investment capacity and regulatory expertise.


This collaborative approach reflects what Yaktiyami termed “managed interdependence” rather than complete technological sovereignty. She argued that countries should leverage their specific strengths on the AI value chain while maintaining strategic autonomy, recognizing that complete independence in AI development may be neither feasible nor desirable for most countries.


International Governance and Inclusive Frameworks

Norman Schulz addressed several international governance initiatives, with particular focus on the UN Global Digital Compact. Despite criticism of the UN system’s effectiveness, Schulz explained that the compact has produced two valuable platforms for international AI cooperation.


The first is an Independent Scientific International Panel on AI (though Schulz admitted uncertainty about the exact name), which aims to provide scientific grounding for global AI discussions. Germany has two experts on this panel, as do the United States and China. The panel is working to produce reports in time for the second platform: a global dialogue on AI governance scheduled for July in Geneva.


Schulz emphasized that this inclusive approach addresses a critical gap—over 100 countries have been excluded from AI governance discussions because they are not members of the European Union, Council of Europe, G7, or G20, yet these countries will be significantly affected by AI deployment and regulation. This broader participation reflects recognition that AI governance cannot be effectively managed by a small number of countries alone.


Audience Engagement: Practical Concerns and Applications

The discussion included valuable audience interaction that highlighted practical concerns about AI implementation. A student’s question about automation in foreign policy prompted Norman Schulz to clarify that AI will not replace human decision-making in foreign policy but will make information processing more efficient, freeing diplomats for relationship building and innovative thinking.


A particularly insightful question from a journalism student addressed AI’s potential impact on media narratives and bias. This prompted sophisticated responses from the panelists about AI’s dual nature in information integrity. Yaktiyami strongly opposed allowing AI to autonomously shape geopolitical narratives, arguing that human beings should retain control over narrative formation, as AI-generated narratives would inevitably reflect the biases embedded in their training data.


However, the speakers recognized AI’s potential benefits in information processing. Leuner noted that the German Foreign Office is already monitoring AI-enabled influence operations, including the use of AI to create fake websites and amplify messages across social media platforms at unprecedented scale. Norman added a note of concern about AI potentially making newspapers “incredibly dull because it’s going to be repetitive,” highlighting the need for human creativity and judgment in information presentation.


Technological Sovereignty and Security Considerations

The discussion revealed nuanced perspectives on technological sovereignty in AI development. While there was general agreement on the importance of avoiding excessive dependencies, speakers offered different approaches to balancing independence and cooperation.


The concern about Chinese open source models, primarily raised by Leuner, highlighted the complexity of sovereignty issues in AI. Even open source technologies, which theoretically provide transparency and control, can embed particular approaches and biases from their developers. This reality complicates simple distinctions between dependent and independent technological choices.


The speakers agreed that bias detection technologies and human oversight in sensitive areas like geopolitical analysis and public communication are essential. AI should augment human capabilities in information processing while preserving human agency in decision-making and narrative formation.


Future Directions and Unresolved Questions

The conversation identified several concrete next steps for advancing AI cooperation between middle powers. These include continued development of open source alternatives to reduce dependence on any single country’s models, pursuit of bilateral cooperation in specific sectors like healthcare and industrial AI, and active participation in international governance frameworks like the UN Global Digital Compact initiatives.


However, several important questions remain unresolved. The specific mechanisms for ensuring AI systems align with democratic values in practice require further development. The challenge of preventing AI weaponization while maintaining beneficial applications needs ongoing attention. Most significantly, the question of how to scale successful bilateral cooperation models to broader multilateral frameworks remains open.


Conclusion

This discussion demonstrated that AI’s impact on diplomacy extends far beyond simple tool adoption to encompass fundamental questions about power, sovereignty, and international cooperation. The speakers’ emphasis on middle power collaboration offers a constructive alternative to zero-sum competition narratives, suggesting that countries like Germany and India can find meaningful roles in AI development through strategic cooperation and focus on applications rather than frontier model development.


The conversation’s blend of practical implementation insights and strategic geopolitical analysis provides a valuable framework for understanding AI’s role in international relations. By positioning current AI developments within historical patterns of technological change, the speakers offered both realism about the challenges involved and optimism about the possibilities for constructive cooperation.


The discussion ultimately suggests that while AI presents significant challenges for international relations and diplomatic practice, it also offers opportunities for countries to collaborate in new ways, develop alternative approaches to technological development, and create more inclusive governance frameworks. The success of such efforts will depend on the ability of middle powers to leverage their complementary strengths while maintaining appropriate attention to security and sovereignty concerns, always ensuring that human judgment and democratic values remain central to AI deployment in diplomatic contexts.


Session transcript

Gunda Ehmke

Institute. Then we have Raphael Leuner, Data Scientist at the German Federal Foreign Office. We have Dr. Shahani Yaktiyami, Senior Officer, Technology Program at the German Marshall Fund. And we have Norman Schulz, Consulate at the Coordination Staff, AI and Digital Technologies at the German Foreign Office. And to kick off the conversation today, so we will cover both AI as a topic and as a tool, I would like to first start with a tool. So going to Raphael, who is a Data Scientist, how do you use AI in the Foreign Office? And I also know that you have data labs, data and AI labs in the Foreign Office. So could you maybe share a little bit of your day -to -day work?

And yeah, actually, how could AI be used in diplomacy?

Raphael Leuner

Yeah, thanks so much. Yeah, maybe to get to take a step back and answer the question, how like someone like me as a as a data scientist by training ends up in a foreign ministry. I think that’s something that at least when we talk to colleagues around the world is still rather rare. We had kind of the lucky coincidence that I think in 2021, the German government decided to start data labs in all of its federal ministries. And so in the coming years since then, 2022 or until 2022, kind of 16 data labs have been founded in the German federal government. And I was lucky enough to be part of the one in the German federal foreign office.

Yeah. And I was working on AI ever since we started more on traditional data science, I would say. So tearing down data silos between governments or government institutions, in Germany and, of course… And ever since JetGPT and the AI revolution, we have been working mostly on AI tools. And I think the big advantage that we see is that we are in the ministry itself and have very, very short contacts and short paths to our colleagues who are working in Berlin and, of course, all around the world. And I believe in a field that is as fast moving as AI, that is so important because it doesn’t really work to develop these tools in sort of a traditional IT way of doing things, right?

We used to have IT development projects that take two years, have huge teams, cost a lot of money, but that are just not fast enough to deliver on an AI solution that our colleagues, our colleagues are experiencing themselves in their private lives, right? And some of them even… some official aspects. So what we think is the big advantage that we have and what we kind of from our experience would always advertise for is kind of this fast co -creation from within an organization. And I think that is for a topic like diplomacy that is the best way of leveraging AI. And I’m happy to go into more detail about that.

Gunda Ehmke

Thank you. And I will later ask you more on concrete use cases. But first, I would like to switch to the geopolitical dimension. So Sharini, switching over to you. Taking a step back, AI is now in the political landscape more or less present everywhere. From the Arctis, but also here at the Summit. Can you give us a broader picture? How is AI shaping diplomacy or foreign policy in general? What is the debate and where are we at the moment?

Shahani Yaktiyami

Thank you. Thank you for the question and also the invitation to be here, which is actually also me being in my home country. So you’ve invited me to my home country, which is an interesting space to be in. But at the broader sort of geopolitical level, AI is shaping not only sort of how we use technology in our strategic communication as countries as well, but as a tool of technology diplomacy. And I don’t necessarily think this is particularly new. Throughout the history of international relations and foreign policy, technology has always shaped our foreign policy. So this is the AI revolution. But if we take it back to the Industrial Revolution, if we take it back to the nuclear revolution, if we take it back to the space race, technology has always informed diplomacy.

And today it is artificial intelligence. So the technology is not new. Yes. But the tactics aren’t. And today we are here at the AI Summit, and this is also India’s way of communicating that it is being a part of a particular technological revolution, which in its previous histories, because of colonial encounters and things, we’ve been excluded. So in this space, this is a way in which countries from our parts of the world are also trying to kind of claim a space in global technology diplomacy. And this is through AI. And what I would also kind of want to just qualify is what we’re seeing in this particular sort of AI race is narratives of competition.

So if you look at sort of policy documents coming out of the United States, coming out of China, there’s a clear connection between kind of winning an AI race or securing leadership in artificial intelligence. And if you are a country of that size and you are the country that has, invented the frontier technology and you’ve been sort of the first movers in that. if a kind of geopolitical leverage which countries like Germany and India perhaps don’t have because we aren’t at that frontier capability but that being said we’re not powerless we just have a different form of power expressing power and that is when the entire middle power conversation comes into play both India and Germany can see themselves are in fact arguably middle powers and they have different ways of using their specific leverage on an AI value chain as geopolitical leverage so for Germany historically this has been through rules and through regulation and regulatory power for India now it is making a case for applications so India and we’ve seen the fact that the summit has changed from the AI action summit which was the French presidency now is seeing India framing it as the impact summit the slogans of the summit are very very much to do with aspirations to deployment or aspirations to impact.

So that is really a way in which a middle power like India is also trying to kind of claim its position on the stack. So what you’re seeing are the great powers who are competing at the frontier level, and then there are middle powers who are claiming their specific power on the value chain in different ways. And I’ll stop there for a second.

Gunda Ehmke

Thank you very much. And I would like to pick up this statement that you said. But the tech is new, but the tactics aren’t. So I have here a diplomat sitting next to me. Would you agree with the statement? And how do you govern AI in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs? And would you say, is this still the right approach to AI?

Norman Schulz

Oh, well, the short answer would be no. But the topic is so broad that obviously I could give you a four -hour talk about it. But as a diplomat, as you said, one has to start by saying that the AI Impact Summit here in Delhi, where we are all gathered, showcases the broad variety of AI and the broad picture that AI is now part of every day’s life, of all strands of life. That it is a tool in communication. It is a tool in agriculture, in industrial entrepreneurship, in finance, and also in diplomacy and foreign policy. So I find that very interesting what you alluded to, that we have these revolutions all the time. like the Industrial Revolution, like the nuclear revolution after the Second World War?

And where do the foreign ministries, where do foreign policy comes in? I mean, the technological revolution created frontrunners like the UK, maybe a little bit like France. But there was a point in time when people saw that only being at the front and adapting the frontier models is not the way to success. But we have to find a way to regulate things because otherwise people will lose their lives. It’s not work safe. It’s polluting the environment. Even back then, there was a problem. Nuclear power, the same thing. There was a race in the 50s. And the Cuba crisis beginning at the 60s showed to the world that the nuclear race could not go on like it was.

But we need international cooperation to mitigate somehow the risks of it. And I think AI is at a similar point. Maybe it needs a couple of more years when the U.S. and China will actively come together and work out what limitations and regulations we have to put on the technology because the risks in the end are outweighing possible and potential benefits. And the other great question is where do the middle powers come in? And this is what India and Germany are talking about. Well, we had the speech of Mark Carney, the Canadian Prime Minister in Davos, where he actively called for the middle power cooperation. And he said, well, we don’t have the power to do that.

I think India is at a one. wonderful place because you are a digital powerhouse and you have all the structures and all the workforce to also become an AI powerhouse. I would also make the case that Germany has also some advantages. We have infrastructure, we have the money to invest into AI, and we also have industrial data to be a frontrunner. Even if we didn’t succeed at the stage of large language models, maybe when it comes to robotics and embodied AI, Germany will still have a role to play. And obviously we at the Foreign Office are there to accompany the development of this and to prepare. Prepare the ground for international cooperation. And I believe it at that because others…

Gunda Ehmke

thank you thank you i would like to turn now to the printing perspective um the pranav institute works at the intersection of emerging technology public policy and society from an india first perspective um how do you see um how do you see potential room for cooperation between india and germany like we hear now the middle power those are middle power i hear a lot at the summit that india is leading in a ai adoption um i wouldn’t say so maybe in germany maybe my german colleagues would agree or disagree with me but from your perspective where do you see cooperation like potential cooperation could you also go a step back and um explain to the audience where you see india at the moment maybe also in light of the ai summit

Shyam Krishnakumar

yeah can you hear me i think that’s a very challenging question to answer. Where is India at? India is at a very interesting place, certainly. India is not lagging behind. India is not yet at a place where we can build frontier models. I think the infrastructure capacity for that is very high. I do see some interesting innovation coming out of India. When we saw those 14 models that was released over 14 days and very, very interesting in the sense that this is innovation which is grounded, contextual. It is coming from the grassroots. You are able to find native language use cases. You are able to do inference at scale at much an order of magnitude cheaper costs.

So, you are seeing technical innovation which is more context appropriate coming from India. There is, of course, a large workforce which is talented in technology and there is an upscaling possibility that certainly exists when into AI and that is a very large pipeline. So I think India is a very interesting place. India is adopting, India is innovating, India is building applications and use cases, which is a very useful way to think about the technology in its early stages, right? Because there is a huge possibility of investment booms and busts that can come in when you go in a technologically challenging direction without being adaptive. So I think the focus on saying what can we solve is a very useful way to think.

I think the counselor did allude to industrial AI. That’s a fantastic use case of cooperation where you and India could possibly, Indo -German cooperation would certainly work out in that sense because there is industrial expertise, there is automation expertise in Germany, there is industrial data. India has the capability to build technology, build models. So I think if we were to identify and not worry about the race for frontier models, because transformers are not going to be the same. They’re not going to be the only technology paradigm out there and not play the game that leading powers are, but to really think as middle powers do as Sharon said and say that can we focus on sectoral expertise?

For example, AI in healthcare is a fantastic opportunity for. Indo -German cooperation, there is fantastic data available. India performs 10 times the number of surgeries that other countries do. So there’s very interesting data available. Germany has the capacity to invest. Can we cooperate? Germany has expertise in automation. India has, you know, people who can build AI models. Can we cooperate? So I think there is possibility for bilateral cooperation that, you know, gives an argument that is more than one plus one in the case of some of these. And I don’t think it’s a zero -sum game that U.S. is winning or China is winning and they’re all left behind. I think the focus on applications is really where a differentiator is possible, and that need not come at frontier -level costs.

Gunda Ehmke

Thank you. And I would like to focus now on this application side because this is maybe the way to react to big tech or like us as a country being in the middle between these mentioned countries. Rafa, can I hand over to you to share a little bit how you have the foreign office approach? I know that you are working on it. It’s a negotiation tool. And to what extent can open source also be a solution or might be a solution? to the situation where we are at the moment.

Raphael Leuner

Sure. Yeah, so I think it’s exactly as you said, that the focus is on application. We have made a consequential, but I think important decision at the beginning that when we are implementing AI, we are focusing for most of what we do on open source technologies, not just the models themselves, but also a lot of the kind of scaffolding and applications around it. So on the one hand, for example, we are reusing applications that, for example, come from one of our state governments who have done like kind of a general chat and knowledge -based application that we are reusing. But of course, we have specific applications in the foreign office like supporting negotiations. A lot of what diplomats nowadays do is not necessarily sitting in rooms and negotiating face -to -face, but actually digging through huge piles of documents and… trying to understand the positions of other countries, the impact that NGOs, academia, corporations bring into huge negotiation processes.

And, of course, that’s, as we probably all know, is a great chance for artificial intelligence to leverage. I think one important point when we’re talking about AI and open source AI in governments is that we have seen a big trend shift or a shift in the trend last year where we have seen that a lot of the kind of leading open source AI models and actually also the ones that have been adopted in many parts of the world are coming from China nowadays. I think that’s an interesting intersection between my position as a technical observer here where we are looking at the numbers and seeing that really, like, you know, the world is adopting Chinese AI models at the moment.

And, of course, the consequences that that might bring for a country like Germany or a country like Europe. Like India on a global scale, if maybe… some of our partners are implementing Chinese AI models. So that is something that when it comes to open source, I think it’s really important that countries like India, and I think India is at a great position, and I’m super excited to see these new Indian AI models as well, these Indian LLMs, to see if there can be pushes that offer alternatives to these Chinese models.

Gunda Ehmke

Thank you. I would like to come back to this impact aspect. Now we heard impact in the public sector, but maybe also reflecting on the summit, AI Impact Summit. What are your thoughts on how will we now continue the conversation regarding impact, regarding really being concrete and not only writing governance formats or governance frameworks, so how can we make this cooperation very concrete and also continue where we are and face this geopolitical challenge

Shahani Yaktiyami

Shoni, yeah I like that all the geopolitical questions then somehow come back to me but I don’t blame you because my background is in international relations so that serves very well this purpose but I want to kind of also connect your point to what you just said about open source and the China connection I think we’re reaching a stage in international relations in which geopolitics and technology can’t be separated when we are integrating artificial intelligence into our daily life and into our government systems we can’t really separate the security risks that come with it And I think every country has a unique security situation. For Germany, obviously, there is the concern with Ukraine. With India, we have border security challenges as well.

We have territorial disputes that are very significant and have very serious national security implications. So the kind of technology we deploy into our systems, and if it’s open source Chinese models or any other form where we perceive or any country would perceive a national security risk, that needs to be factored in. And that is why even in our technology decisions, they have to factor geopolitical risk, which back in the day was not something that, say, companies would have to do. But now every single company that I see has now a position for a geopolitical risk advisor. And that really comes from the fact that we are living in a world in which if we are using technologies so seriously in our lives, lives, we do need to factor in how those technologies can be weaponized in a particular geopolitical situation.

And then that kind of brings me back to also some of the points that were on, you said, you know, where we, you, foreign office would like find it helpful for reports to be kind of processed to AI. As a think tank, I think I’m a little bit hurt, I have to say, because a lot of our work is producing a lot of those reports, but we will force you to read them. We’re very persistent at the German Marshall Fund. We will reach out and invite you and make you read them. But jokes aside, it is really, we’re aware also that our ability to consume information as well is kind of becoming shorter, but the world is getting more complex.

And therefore, we are also kind of preparing, even in the think tanking that we do, even in the way in which we kind of do our daily jobs, to factor in that. There will be an AI in this system, and we kind of need to put that into consideration as well.

Gunda Ehmke

and since there will be an AI in the system we have to make sure that we can trust this AI and that it’s also inclusive and that it’s yeah ethical in a sense or trustworthy regarding to standards so how do you and the government react to this could you also share more about the global digital compact and what is this panel about this scientific panel I think it’s called and how do we make sure that from this governance it goes to the system to the AI system like how do we make sure that the systems are aligned with our values

Norman Schulz

well that’s big question the best way to align the systems with our values is to develop to develop them ourselves right and not just procure them from from outside and I couldn’t agree more with the point that you made about the Chinese models, that even if it is open source, even if it runs on our servers, there are still Chinese models. They still have the Chinese ways and the Chinese ways of thinking, which comes through maybe not all the time. So using AI to do diplomatic work will not be the way because then every report will be the same, right? So I hope that Germany will not go the way to write the diplomatic reports now only using AI or summarizing it.

But we need our diplomats to insert that innovative thinking. And innovative thinking does not come from AI. Because AI… AI is much rather replicating, summarizing, in my understanding. The new ideas still come from the human side. As far as I make it out. Global digital compact. Thanks for the question. The Foreign Office was the lead in Germany to negotiate the global digital compact. And obviously you can make a point that this is a UN compact and the UN system is under immense pressure at the moment. So what does it achieve? And I would make the point that despite all that, it has at least produced two valuable avenues for future cooperation and discussion, two platforms.

The first is the AI panel. I think it’s called Independent Scientific International Panel on AI, but I could be wrong with the two I’s. It’s rather complicated. But it was just yesterday that the UN Secretary General made the point that the AI panel and the second one, the dialogue I will come to in a second, are the two major things where the UN is coming into the picture. And the panel has the task to put our discussions that we have on a global level about AI on a scientific basis. So those are experts, and I’m happy that there are two experts from Germany on the panel. Only the U.S. and China have also two experts.

I’m terribly sorry. I don’t know how many Indian experts are on the panel. But we’ll find. We’ll find that out. True. So they will produce a first report, a summary of where the AI science is now standing in time for the first global dialogue on AI governance, which will happen in July in Geneva in the margins or back to back with the AI for Good Summit at the International Telecommunications Union. And this dialogue serves the other big purpose of the Global Digital Compact, which is to make the AI discussion inclusive. And so it’s also the UN Secretary General nonetheless that said that AI cannot be a discussion among the few, the ones that are the front runners like the US and China.

They should not be the one to they should not. Not be the only one to set the rules, but it has to be a truly inclusive discussion about the AI. Up until now, more than 100 countries were not part of this discussion because they were not members of the European Union, not members of the Council of Europe, not members of the G7 or the G20. But they are the ones that will use AI, that will adapt AI, and they will also feel the bad results if AI is not doing what it is supposed to do. So it’s good that they have a voice at the table, that all UN member states will in July come together and talk about AI on the scientific base that the panel has provided.

So that is something that the Global Literature Compact is doing. And, of course, we can talk about geopolitics all the time, but I think that’s a way forward. And it’s to make a point. And I stop here and make a point.

Gunda Ehmke

Thank you. Thank you. And, Jian, let me turn to you now. And the fact that there is not a zero -sum game in a lot of this. I think the idea that we can work together to bring a larger voice beyond the worries of two countries or three countries which are able to compete at the top. I think that’s something that they shared. And I think the role of middle powers in bringing a more inclusive conversation is really important. And I think Indo -German cooperation is an opportunity for that. Including, for example, industrial AI that the counsellor mentioned or other opportunities where we can practically create tools like what Rafael is also talking about. Where we can practically create tools that are beneficial and maybe open source.

Why should open source models only come from strategically challenging sources? There could be Indo -German open source models, smaller models, not frontier models that could be beneficial.

Raphael Leuner

Yeah, I can maybe react to that directly because I think it’s super critical. I don’t think some people believe or make us believe that the AI race is already over or kind of only being decided between the US and China. I don’t believe that. I think we’re more at the start of what’s going to come. And I think we can feel this at the summit. And Gunda, you asked the question, what comes next? I think next comes building and implementing AI in all these kind of fields that we have. I think we see so many ideas around here and first steps towards that. But we don’t really see widespread AI adoption in every field, in every kind of part of life.

I do think this is going to happen over the next five years. And I don’t believe for a second that this is only going to be done by the U.S. or China. And, yeah, I think that when it comes to middle powers, Germany, India, I think we are going to see much closer collaboration in like smaller groups that don’t try to kind of, you know, build dependence, right, making you dependent on us, making us dependent on you, but rather ensure that every country can bring to the table what they are particularly good at and make the results kind of improve the application of AI for everybody involved. I do think there is a strategy for that.

And I think, yeah, the way forward you have asked is to start with it and to build AI together. I think this is a great, you know, a great rally cry for

Gunda Ehmke

Yeah, yeah, please.

Shyam Krishnakumar

Rafal, you led me on to a very interesting trail, so I had to intervene. I think one of the interesting moments, if you think about technology again, in the 1990s was the open source revolution, right? And when you really saw operating systems, consider the frontier technology of that time being built by volunteers at a fraction of the cost. diffuse the race in a certain way or diffuse the dominance in a certain way, but also enabled accessibility across the world. So I think even coming together as middle powers, the power of open source and democratizing and reducing the factor costs of access to AI, it becomes very powerful if you draw from it. And now you led me on to a trail as well.

I just want to kind of contextualize the sovereignty thing as well.

Shahani Yaktiyami

And I do think that when we talk about artificial intelligence, it’s not just one application that we see when we use our phones or interact with a particular model, right? It’s an entire stack. And the question of sovereignty or the concerns vis -a -vis the sovereignty debate is also born out of geopolitics, right? So we don’t want to be as a particular country in which suddenly one day we wake up and our technology is not available to us because, because of something else that happened in another country. corner of the world. So the sovereignty debate is coming out of geopolitics as well. That being said, we don’t need to be beholden to it. I fully agree.

And I really like the point on us understanding what our strengths are. I mean, Germany had a high -tech strategy that came out last year. There’s also an emphasis on Germany being a space for data as a data hub. And India is trying to do that as well. Germany already has that. One of the things China is really good at actually is industrial data, because they have been collecting this data for a very long time because they automated quicker than a lot of us. And that’s something where we can collectively build competitiveness. So I do think we need to reset some of the inequalities in the AI stack and that sovereignty, as much as I kind of understand where that comes from, I don’t always think that that’s the… best language to talk about where we are at.

I do think we need more sophisticated and nuanced ways of kind of talking about a managed interdependence where I have a certain value on an AI stack. That is my strength. And the likelihood of you weaponizing that makes it very limited. So that’s why I have leverage. And I do think leveraging a country’s strength on a specific AI stack is a prominent and powerful middle power strategy.

Gunda Ehmke

Thank you. These are all beautiful closing remarks, but I would like to open the floor to the audience. Are there any questions? Yes, everyone around.

Audience

Hi, I’m Sreeni. I’m a student at Ashoka University. I have a question for everyone in the panel. Feel free to. answer. The question is, what are some parts of foreign policy research, decision making and implementation which can be automated by AI or that will use a significant uses of AI to sort of do your day -to -day tasks?

Norman Schulz

Maybe I can quickly answer this question. Well, I certainly don’t think that AI will make any decision in any time soon. So there’s always going to be the human that is making the decision. And it’s not going to be me. It’s not going to be my boss. It’s going to be a collaborative decision by the government and the legislature and all of that. But our job will also not go away. We will use AI to make our job easier to consume data, to consume, I would like to say information, but it’s nothing. Consuming information easier, quicker and which in turn will free diplomats to do the other time, which is connecting, which is connecting the dots, which is thinking out innovative ways of cooperation, which is, it’s basically like drinking coffee and shaking hands.

These start traveling to India and learn a lot about the situation here. So, AI will free us from tedious tasks of skipping through these very valuable documents written by not only NGOs, but also governments, and will make our lives easier, but our work will not go away. Thank you.

Gunda Ehmke

Okay, one more question. The lady maybe in the back.

Audience

Hi, I’m Sanjeevni, and I work in radio journalism in the UK. And my question was for you, Norman. So, specifically, So, Norman and Sharini, both of you, actually. So, you guys are doing your Masters in Journalism. I was studying about how journalists were framing the Russia -Ukraine war. And we were observing how the narratives were changing based on different outlets. But something when we were talking about how AI is coming into play, do you think AI will help change narratives for the better? And I’m not speaking from journalism point of view. In general, geopolitically, do you think the narratives will be framed in a way that’s unbiased? Or how do you think it will help in that?

Shahani Yaktiyami

I don’t take a stab. I’d be very curious to point a question, actually, to you, because one of the things I’ve been really intrigued in in my line of work is how AI has been being deployed in the media and newsrooms. And I’d be very interested to have a chat after to learn how you’re doing that in terms of methodology. But to your question on AI shaping, I think it’s a great question. narratives, I would not let AI shape narratives. I would hope we shape narratives as human beings, depending on sort of what we think and feel and analyze through empirical evidence about the world. And I would be very worried in a world in which AI, we allow AI the space to shape narratives, especially on geopolitics, because then that would depend upon what that particular AI model that is doing the narrative shaping has been trained on.

But that being said, I would also see how AI can do the harm in terms of amplifying incorrect narratives or geopolitically challenging narratives. And that’s when we know that AI cannot replace society and it cannot do. So I do think that we are in a world in which if AI, we allow AI to shape narratives, that’s not a world we want to live in. Thank you. but at the same time, if it is a world in which that can happen, we need to find the right mitigation strategies to do that. One thing that I know India is doing, Shyam, we talked about it earlier, which is these bias detection technologies that are critical. AI is a technology that, on one hand, we do need strong regulation to make sure that we can prevent the harms from doing what they can, but at the same time, we need also technological tools to deal with some of those harms and push a democratic innovation as well in AI for exactly these harms.

And I’ll stop there.

Norman Schulz

Just one sentence. If you let AI write the newspapers, they are becoming incredibly dull because it’s going to be repetitive all the time. But I agree with your point about bias. This is something that we all have to challenge and to face. And AI is helping us. That’s a good thing. AI is not only a risk, it’s also the opportunity, helping us detect bias and then contravene it. Thank you.

Raphael Leuner

Just one sentence I want to add because I found your point so important. I don’t see any risk that AI is going to shape the narratives itself somehow, but of course it’s an incredible tool for actors trying to shape narratives. And we have seen this on so many fronts already. We have colleagues in the foreign office who are actually monitoring this and seeing that it’s, for example, used to amplify certain messages across social media, increasingly now across faked websites that, with the help of AI, you can pull up in seconds and suddenly you don’t have one of them or two of them, but you have thousands of them. And that is something that AI has already used quite heavily as a tool of certain actors who are trying to influence geopolitical discussions in exactly that way.

Gunda Ehmke

Sorry, we are running out of time, but I’m sure that the speakers stay here a little bit. So thank you for listening to our panel discussion. Maybe a big applause. Thank you.

R

Raphael Leuner

Speech speed

157 words per minute

Speech length

1172 words

Speech time

446 seconds

Fast co‑creation within the Foreign Office

Explanation

Leuner argues that AI development must move quickly and cannot follow the slow, costly traditional IT project model. By co‑creating tools inside the Foreign Office they can meet the fast‑moving nature of AI and avoid multi‑year delays.


Evidence

“And I believe in a field that is as fast moving as AI, that is so important because it doesn’t really work to develop these tools in sort of a traditional IT way of doing things, right?” [8]. “We used to have IT development projects that take two years, have huge teams, cost a lot of money, but that are just not fast enough to deliver on an AI solution that our colleagues, our colleagues are experiencing themselves in their private lives, right?” [13].


Major discussion point

AI as a tool in diplomatic work


Topics

Artificial intelligence


AI supports negotiations by handling document piles

Explanation

Leuner explains that AI can ingest and summarise massive amounts of diplomatic documents, freeing diplomats to focus on analysis and strategy rather than manual reading.


Evidence

“But of course, we have specific applications in the foreign office like supporting negotiations.” [14]. “A lot of what diplomats nowadays do is not necessarily sitting in rooms and negotiating face‑to‑face, but actually digging through huge piles of documents and… trying to understand the positions of other countries, the impact that NGOs, academia, corporations bring into huge negotiation processes.” [16].


Major discussion point

AI as a tool in diplomatic work


Topics

Artificial intelligence


Open‑source focus and Chinese model concern

Explanation

Leuner states that the Foreign Office prioritises open‑source AI, but notes that many leading open‑source models currently come from China, which raises strategic and security concerns.


Evidence

“we are focusing for most of what we do on open source technologies, not just the models themselves, but also a lot of the kind of scaffolding and applications around it.” [70]. “a lot of the kind of leading open source AI models and actually also the ones that have been adopted in many parts of the world are coming from China nowadays.” [108].


Major discussion point

Open‑source AI and strategic considerations


Topics

Artificial intelligence | The enabling environment for digital development


AI can be weaponised to amplify misleading narratives

Explanation

Leuner warns that actors can use AI to quickly generate large numbers of fake messages and websites, amplifying disinformation and influencing geopolitical debates.


Evidence

“We have colleagues in the foreign office who are actually monitoring this and seeing that it’s, for example, used to amplify certain messages across social media, increasingly now across faked websites that, with the help of AI, you can pull up in seconds and suddenly you don’t have one of them or two of them, but you have thousands of them.” [6]. “And that is something that AI has already used quite heavily as a tool of certain actors who are trying to influence geopolitical discussions in exactly that way.” [24].


Major discussion point

AI, narrative bias, and media influence


Topics

Human rights and the ethical dimensions of the information society | Building confidence and security in the use of ICTs


N

Norman Schulz

Speech speed

127 words per minute

Speech length

1437 words

Speech time

675 seconds

AI automates data consumption but humans stay decision‑makers

Explanation

Schulz stresses that AI will relieve diplomats from tedious document‑skipping tasks, yet the ultimate decisions will always remain with human officials.


Evidence

“So, AI will free us from tedious tasks of skipping through these very valuable documents written by not only NGOs, but also governments, and will make our lives easier, but our work will not go away.” [21]. “So there’s always going to be the human that is making the decision.” [31].


Major discussion point

AI as a tool in diplomatic work


Topics

Artificial intelligence


Regulation needed like nuclear‑era risk mitigation

Explanation

Schulz compares AI governance to nuclear risk management, arguing that strong regulation and international cooperation are essential to prevent harms while harnessing benefits.


Evidence

“AI is a technology that, on one hand, we do need strong regulation to make sure that we can prevent the harms…” [51]. “I think AI is at a similar point.” [55]. “Nuclear power, the same thing.” [56].


Major discussion point

Geopolitical dimension and middle‑power strategy


Topics

Artificial intelligence | The enabling environment for digital development


Global Digital Compact and UN Scientific Panel provide inclusive governance

Explanation

Schulz outlines that the Global Digital Compact and the UN‑backed Independent Scientific International Panel on AI create a science‑based, inclusive framework for AI governance.


Evidence

“And this dialogue serves the other big purpose of the Global Digital Compact, which is to make the AI discussion inclusive.” [61]. “I think it’s called Independent Scientific International Panel on AI, but I could be wrong with the two I’s.” [62].


Major discussion point

Governance, regulation, and global frameworks


Topics

Artificial intelligence | Follow‑up and review


Develop own AI to align with national values

Explanation

Schulz argues that the safest way to ensure AI systems reflect German values is to develop them domestically rather than rely on external procurement, especially from potentially adversarial sources.


Evidence

“the best way to align the systems with our values is to develop to develop them ourselves right and not just procure them from from outside and I couldn’t agree more with the point that you made about the Chinese models…” [68].


Major discussion point

Governance, regulation, and global frameworks


Topics

Artificial intelligence | The enabling environment for digital development


Comprehensive AI regulation essential, lessons from past tech revolutions

Explanation

Schulz stresses that AI regulation must be broad and balanced, drawing on experiences from earlier technological shifts such as nuclear power to manage risks while fostering innovation.


Evidence

“AI is a technology that, on one hand, we do need strong regulation…” [51]. “But we need international cooperation to mitigate somehow the risks of it.” [52]. “I think AI is at a similar point.” [55]. “Nuclear power, the same thing.” [56].


Major discussion point

Governance, regulation, and global frameworks


Topics

Artificial intelligence | The enabling environment for digital development


AI can detect bias but over‑reliance makes content dull

Explanation

Schulz notes that AI can help uncover bias, yet if humans let AI generate all content, the output becomes repetitive and lacks creativity.


Evidence

“If you let AI write the newspapers, they are becoming incredibly dull because it’s going to be repetitive all the time.” [127]. “AI is not only a risk, it’s also the opportunity, helping us detect bias and then contravene it.” [53].


Major discussion point

AI, narrative bias, and media influence


Topics

Human rights and the ethical dimensions of the information society | Artificial intelligence


S

Shahani Yaktiyami

Speech speed

162 words per minute

Speech length

1665 words

Speech time

615 seconds

Technology shapes diplomacy, tactics stay the same

Explanation

Yaktiyami points out that while AI is a new tool, the underlying diplomatic tactics have always been shaped by technology throughout history.


Evidence

“Throughout the history of international relations and foreign policy, technology has always shaped our foreign policy.” [32]. “But the tech is new, but the tactics aren’t.” [34].


Major discussion point

Geopolitical dimension and middle‑power strategy


Topics

Artificial intelligence


Middle powers use regulation and value‑chain leverage

Explanation

She argues that Germany and India, as middle powers, can influence AI governance through regulatory power and targeted participation in the AI value chain rather than by leading frontier model development.


Evidence

“if a kind of geopolitical leverage which countries like Germany and India perhaps don’t have because we aren’t at that frontier capability but that being said we’re not powerless we just have a different form of power expressing power and that is when the entire middle power conversation comes into play both India and Germany can see themselves are in fact arguably middle powers and they have different ways of using their specific leverage on an AI value chain as geopolitical leverage so for Germany historically this has been through rules and through regulation and regulatory power for India now it is making a case for applications…” [36].


Major discussion point

Geopolitical dimension and middle‑power strategy


Topics

Artificial intelligence | The enabling environment for digital development


AI should not autonomously shape narratives

Explanation

Yaktiyami warns that allowing AI to generate geopolitical narratives would hand control to the training data and biases of the models, which she deems unacceptable.


Evidence

“I would not let AI shape narratives.” [117]. “if AI, we allow AI to shape narratives, that’s not a world we want to live in.” [119].


Major discussion point

AI, narrative bias, and media influence


Topics

Human rights and the ethical dimensions of the information society | Artificial intelligence


Need strong regulation and mitigation strategies

Explanation

She stresses that AI requires robust regulation and technical tools to mitigate harms while still enabling democratic innovation.


Evidence

“AI is a technology that, on one hand, we do need strong regulation to make sure that we can prevent the harms…” [51]. “but at the same time, we need also technological tools to deal with some of those harms and push a democratic innovation as well in AI for exactly these harms.” [51].


Major discussion point

Geopolitical dimension and middle‑power strategy


Topics

Artificial intelligence | The enabling environment for digital development


S

Shyam Krishnakumar

Speech speed

198 words per minute

Speech length

648 words

Speech time

195 seconds

India’s contextual AI models and cheap inference

Explanation

Krishnakumar highlights that India has a large pool of tech talent producing context‑specific AI models and can run inference at far lower cost than many other countries.


Evidence

“So, you are seeing technical innovation which is more context appropriate coming from India.” [86]. “You are able to do inference at scale at much an order of magnitude cheaper costs.” [92].


Major discussion point

Indo‑German cooperation and sectoral applications


Topics

Artificial intelligence | Capacity development


Collaboration in industrial AI, automation, healthcare

Explanation

He proposes that Germany’s industrial data, investment capacity and automation expertise can combine with India’s model‑building talent to create joint projects in manufacturing and health sectors.


Evidence

“That’s a fantastic use case of cooperation where you and India could possibly, Indo‑German cooperation would certainly work out in that sense because there is industrial expertise, there is automation expertise in Germany, there is industrial data.” [95]. “For example, AI in healthcare is a fantastic opportunity for.” [97].


Major discussion point

Indo‑German cooperation and sectoral applications


Topics

Artificial intelligence | Social and economic development | The enabling environment for digital development


Open‑source democratises AI, reminiscent of 1990s revolution

Explanation

Krishnakumar draws a parallel between today’s open‑source AI movement and the 1990s open‑source software revolution, emphasizing cost reduction and broader access.


Evidence

“I think one of the interesting moments, if you think about technology again, in the 1990s was the open source revolution, right?” [115]. “the power of open source and democratizing and reducing the factor costs of access to AI, it becomes very powerful if you draw from it.” [50].


Major discussion point

Open‑source AI and strategic considerations


Topics

Artificial intelligence | The enabling environment for digital development


G

Gunda Ehmke

Speech speed

111 words per minute

Speech length

927 words

Speech time

500 seconds

Need concrete, impact‑driven Indo‑German cooperation

Explanation

Ehmke stresses that beyond high‑level agreements, the partnership must focus on tangible projects and measurable impact.


Evidence

“What are your thoughts on how will we now continue the conversation regarding impact, regarding really being concrete and not only writing governance formats or governance frameworks, so how can we make this cooperation very concrete and also continue where we are and face this geopolitical challenge” [102].


Major discussion point

Indo‑German cooperation and sectoral applications


Topics

Artificial intelligence | The enabling environment for digital development


Open‑source models should not rely on strategic adversaries

Explanation

She questions why open‑source AI models would be sourced from countries that pose strategic challenges, urging a broader sourcing strategy.


Evidence

“Why should open source models only come from strategically challenging sources?” [110]. “And to what extent can open source also be a solution or might be a solution?” [111].


Major discussion point

Open‑source AI and strategic considerations


Topics

Artificial intelligence | The enabling environment for digital development


Middle powers bring inclusive global AI conversation

Explanation

Ehmke notes that Germany and India, as middle powers, can amplify a broader, more inclusive AI dialogue beyond the few leading nations.


Evidence

“I think the idea that we can work together to bring a larger voice beyond the worries of two countries or three countries which are able to compete at the top.” [104]. “And I think the role of middle powers in bringing a more inclusive conversation is really important.” [44].


Major discussion point

Geopolitical dimension and middle‑power strategy


Topics

Artificial intelligence | The enabling environment for digital development


A

Audience

Speech speed

148 words per minute

Speech length

183 words

Speech time

73 seconds

Audience questions AI’s impact on narratives and bias

Explanation

The audience asks whether AI will improve narrative formation and whether future geopolitical narratives can be unbiased, highlighting public concern over AI‑driven information.


Evidence

“But something when we were talking about how AI is coming into play, do you think AI will help change narratives for the better?” [122]. “In general, geopolitically, do you think the narratives will be framed in a way that’s unbiased?” [123].


Major discussion point

AI, narrative bias, and media influence


Topics

Human rights and the ethical dimensions of the information society | Artificial intelligence


Agreements

Agreement points

AI should augment rather than replace human decision-making in diplomacy

Speakers

– Raphael Leuner
– Norman Schulz

Arguments

AI should support diplomats by processing large volumes of documents and information, freeing them for innovative thinking and relationship building


AI will not replace human decision-making in foreign policy but will make tedious tasks easier and quicker


Summary

Both speakers agree that AI’s role should be to assist diplomats with information processing and tedious tasks, while humans retain responsibility for decision-making, relationship building, and innovative thinking


Topics

Artificial intelligence | Social and economic development


Middle powers should collaborate by leveraging complementary strengths rather than competing in frontier AI development

Speakers

– Raphael Leuner
– Shyam Krishnakumar
– Shahani Yaktiyami

Arguments

Middle powers should build collaborative relationships that avoid dependencies while leveraging each country’s strengths


Focus on applications rather than frontier models allows middle powers to compete effectively without massive costs


Countries need managed interdependence rather than complete sovereignty, leveraging specific strengths on the AI stack


Summary

All three speakers advocate for middle powers like India and Germany to focus on practical applications and sectoral cooperation, utilizing their respective strengths rather than trying to compete with US and China in expensive frontier model development


Topics

Artificial intelligence | The enabling environment for digital development


Open source AI development can democratize access and reduce dependencies

Speakers

– Raphael Leuner
– Shyam Krishnakumar

Arguments

Open source AI models are being prioritized in government implementation to avoid dependencies


Open source revolution can democratize AI access and reduce costs, similar to the 1990s operating system revolution


Summary

Both speakers see open source approaches as crucial for democratizing AI access, reducing costs, and avoiding technological dependencies, drawing parallels to successful open source movements in computing


Topics

Artificial intelligence | Closing all digital divides


AI poses dual risks and opportunities in information integrity

Speakers

– Raphael Leuner
– Norman Schulz
– Shahani Yaktiyami

Arguments

AI is already being used to create fake websites and amplify messages across social media for influence operations


AI can help detect bias in information while also being used to spread biased content


AI should not be allowed to shape geopolitical narratives but can be used as a tool by actors to amplify certain messages


Summary

All speakers recognize that AI presents both threats (through misinformation, fake content, narrative manipulation) and opportunities (through bias detection, information processing) for information integrity in international relations


Topics

Artificial intelligence | Building confidence and security in the use of ICTs


International cooperation and inclusive governance are essential for AI regulation

Speakers

– Norman Schulz
– Shahani Yaktiyami

Arguments

International cooperation and regulation are needed to mitigate AI risks, similar to nuclear technology regulation after the Cuba crisis


AI discussions must be inclusive beyond just US and China, involving all UN member states who will be affected by AI


Summary

Both speakers emphasize the need for multilateral, inclusive approaches to AI governance that go beyond the major powers to include all affected countries, drawing lessons from historical technology governance challenges


Topics

Artificial intelligence | Follow-up and review


Similar viewpoints

Both speakers see India and Germany as having complementary capabilities that can be leveraged for mutual benefit, with India providing technical innovation and workforce while Germany offers industrial expertise and investment capacity

Speakers

– Shyam Krishnakumar
– Shahani Yaktiyami

Arguments

India and Germany can leverage their respective strengths – India’s technical workforce and Germany’s industrial expertise and investment capacity


Great powers compete at frontier AI levels while middle powers like Germany and India claim different positions on the AI value chain


Topics

Artificial intelligence | The enabling environment for digital development


Both speakers advocate for practical, sector-specific cooperation between India and Germany that can create alternatives to Chinese or US-dominated AI solutions while focusing on concrete applications

Speakers

– Raphael Leuner
– Shyam Krishnakumar

Arguments

Countries like India and Germany should develop alternative open source models to provide strategic options


Sectoral cooperation in areas like healthcare AI and industrial AI offers significant bilateral opportunities


Topics

Artificial intelligence | Social and economic development


Both speakers recognize the intersection of technology and geopolitics, emphasizing the need for structured international frameworks that account for security considerations while promoting inclusive participation

Speakers

– Norman Schulz
– Shahani Yaktiyami

Arguments

The Global Digital Compact established two key platforms: an Independent Scientific Panel on AI and inclusive global dialogue on AI governance


Geopolitics and technology cannot be separated when integrating AI into government systems due to security risks


Topics

Artificial intelligence | Building confidence and security in the use of ICTs | Follow-up and review


Unexpected consensus

Technology has always shaped diplomacy throughout history

Speakers

– Shahani Yaktiyami
– Norman Schulz

Arguments

AI represents the latest technological revolution shaping diplomacy, following historical patterns of Industrial, nuclear, and space revolutions


International cooperation and regulation are needed to mitigate AI risks, similar to nuclear technology regulation after the Cuba crisis


Explanation

Despite coming from different professional backgrounds (think tank vs. diplomatic service), both speakers independently drew historical parallels showing how technology revolutions have consistently required diplomatic responses, suggesting a shared understanding of cyclical patterns in technology-diplomacy interactions


Topics

Artificial intelligence | Social and economic development


AI should not be allowed to shape narratives autonomously

Speakers

– Shahani Yaktiyami
– Norman Schulz
– Raphael Leuner

Arguments

AI should not be allowed to shape geopolitical narratives but can be used as a tool by actors to amplify certain messages


AI can help detect bias in information while also being used to spread biased content


AI is already being used to create fake websites and amplify messages across social media for influence operations


Explanation

All speakers, despite their different roles and perspectives, converged on the view that AI should not autonomously generate narratives but rather serve as a tool that requires human oversight, showing unexpected alignment on the limits of AI autonomy in sensitive areas


Topics

Artificial intelligence | Building confidence and security in the use of ICTs | Human rights and the ethical dimensions of the information society


Overall assessment

Summary

The speakers demonstrated strong consensus on key principles: AI should augment rather than replace human decision-making, middle powers should collaborate through complementary strengths rather than compete in frontier development, open source approaches can democratize access, and international cooperation is essential for governance. There was also agreement on AI’s dual nature as both risk and opportunity for information integrity.


Consensus level

High level of consensus with significant implications for AI policy coordination between India and Germany. The alignment suggests viable pathways for bilateral cooperation focused on applications, sectoral expertise, and shared governance principles rather than competitive frontier development. This consensus provides a foundation for practical middle-power collaboration that could influence broader international AI governance frameworks.


Differences

Different viewpoints

Role of AI in narrative shaping and decision-making

Speakers

– Shahani Yaktiyami
– Norman Schulz

Arguments

AI should not be allowed to shape geopolitical narratives but can be used as a tool by actors to amplify certain messages


AI can help detect bias in information while also being used to spread biased content


Summary

Yaktiyami strongly opposes allowing AI to shape narratives, emphasizing human control, while Schulz acknowledges AI’s dual nature in both detecting and spreading bias without taking as strong a stance against AI involvement in narrative processes


Topics

Artificial intelligence | Building confidence and security in the use of ICTs | Human rights and the ethical dimensions of the information society


Approach to technological sovereignty vs interdependence

Speakers

– Shahani Yaktiyami
– Raphael Leuner

Arguments

Countries need managed interdependence rather than complete sovereignty, leveraging specific strengths on the AI stack


Open source AI models are being prioritized in government implementation to avoid dependencies


Summary

Yaktiyami advocates for sophisticated managed interdependence approaches, while Leuner emphasizes the importance of avoiding dependencies through open source solutions, representing different strategies for managing technological relationships


Topics

Artificial intelligence | The enabling environment for digital development | Building confidence and security in the use of ICTs


Unexpected differences

Extent of AI involvement in diplomatic processes

Speakers

– Norman Schulz
– Raphael Leuner

Arguments

AI will not replace human decision-making in foreign policy but will make tedious tasks easier and quicker


AI should support diplomats by processing large volumes of documents and information, freeing them for innovative thinking and relationship building


Explanation

While both speakers work in the German Foreign Office and agree on AI’s supportive role, Schulz takes a more cautious stance emphasizing that AI will never make decisions, while Leuner is more optimistic about AI’s capabilities in supporting complex diplomatic tasks like negotiations


Topics

Artificial intelligence | Social and economic development


Urgency of international AI regulation

Speakers

– Norman Schulz
– Raphael Leuner

Arguments

International cooperation and regulation are needed to mitigate AI risks, similar to nuclear technology regulation after the Cuba crisis


Fast co-creation within organizations is essential for AI implementation in fast-moving fields like diplomacy


Explanation

Schulz emphasizes the need for international regulation and cooperation, drawing parallels to nuclear technology, while Leuner focuses on rapid implementation and innovation within organizations, suggesting different priorities regarding regulation versus innovation speed


Topics

Artificial intelligence | Building confidence and security in the use of ICTs


Overall assessment

Summary

The main areas of disagreement center around the balance between technological independence and interdependence, the appropriate role of AI in sensitive areas like narrative formation, and the pace of AI implementation versus regulation. Despite working toward similar goals of responsible AI deployment, speakers differed on tactical approaches.


Disagreement level

The disagreement level is moderate, with speakers generally aligned on broad objectives but differing on implementation strategies and risk management approaches. These disagreements reflect healthy policy debates rather than fundamental conflicts, and could inform more nuanced AI governance frameworks that balance innovation with security and ethical considerations.


Partial agreements

Partial agreements

All speakers agree on the importance of alternatives to Chinese AI dominance and the value of open source approaches, but disagree on whether the focus should be on complete independence (Leuner), managed interdependence (Yaktiyami), or democratization through open source (Krishnakumar)

Speakers

– Raphael Leuner
– Shahani Yaktiyami
– Shyam Krishnakumar

Arguments

Countries like India and Germany should develop alternative open source models to provide strategic options


Countries need managed interdependence rather than complete sovereignty, leveraging specific strengths on the AI stack


Open source revolution can democratize AI access and reduce costs, similar to the 1990s operating system revolution


Topics

Artificial intelligence | The enabling environment for digital development | Closing all digital divides


Both agree that AI should augment rather than replace human diplomatic work, but Schulz emphasizes that AI will never make decisions while Leuner focuses more on AI as a tool for processing information to support human decision-making

Speakers

– Norman Schulz
– Raphael Leuner

Arguments

AI will not replace human decision-making in foreign policy but will make tedious tasks easier and quicker


AI should support diplomats by processing large volumes of documents and information, freeing them for innovative thinking and relationship building


Topics

Artificial intelligence | Social and economic development


Both agree that middle powers should pursue different strategies than great powers, but Yaktiyami emphasizes leveraging specific positions on the value chain while Krishnakumar focuses specifically on applications over frontier models

Speakers

– Shahani Yaktiyami
– Shyam Krishnakumar

Arguments

Great powers compete at frontier AI levels while middle powers like Germany and India claim different positions on the AI value chain


Focus on applications rather than frontier models allows middle powers to compete effectively without massive costs


Topics

Artificial intelligence | The enabling environment for digital development


Similar viewpoints

Both speakers see India and Germany as having complementary capabilities that can be leveraged for mutual benefit, with India providing technical innovation and workforce while Germany offers industrial expertise and investment capacity

Speakers

– Shyam Krishnakumar
– Shahani Yaktiyami

Arguments

India and Germany can leverage their respective strengths – India’s technical workforce and Germany’s industrial expertise and investment capacity


Great powers compete at frontier AI levels while middle powers like Germany and India claim different positions on the AI value chain


Topics

Artificial intelligence | The enabling environment for digital development


Both speakers advocate for practical, sector-specific cooperation between India and Germany that can create alternatives to Chinese or US-dominated AI solutions while focusing on concrete applications

Speakers

– Raphael Leuner
– Shyam Krishnakumar

Arguments

Countries like India and Germany should develop alternative open source models to provide strategic options


Sectoral cooperation in areas like healthcare AI and industrial AI offers significant bilateral opportunities


Topics

Artificial intelligence | Social and economic development


Both speakers recognize the intersection of technology and geopolitics, emphasizing the need for structured international frameworks that account for security considerations while promoting inclusive participation

Speakers

– Norman Schulz
– Shahani Yaktiyami

Arguments

The Global Digital Compact established two key platforms: an Independent Scientific Panel on AI and inclusive global dialogue on AI governance


Geopolitics and technology cannot be separated when integrating AI into government systems due to security risks


Topics

Artificial intelligence | Building confidence and security in the use of ICTs | Follow-up and review


Takeaways

Key takeaways

AI implementation in diplomacy requires fast co-creation within organizations rather than traditional lengthy IT development cycles


Middle powers like Germany and India should focus on AI applications and sectoral cooperation rather than competing in frontier model development


Open source AI models are becoming strategically important, with concerns about widespread adoption of Chinese models creating dependencies


International AI governance requires inclusive frameworks beyond US-China competition, with the UN Global Digital Compact providing platforms for broader participation


AI should augment human decision-making in foreign policy rather than replace it, handling information processing while humans focus on innovative thinking and relationship building


Geopolitics and technology are inseparable in AI deployment due to national security implications


Indo-German cooperation has strong potential in areas like industrial AI and healthcare AI, leveraging Germany’s investment capacity and India’s technical workforce


AI poses risks for narrative manipulation through amplification of messages and creation of fake content, requiring bias detection technologies and human oversight


Resolutions and action items

Continue development of open source AI alternatives to reduce dependence on Chinese models


Pursue bilateral Indo-German cooperation in specific sectors like healthcare AI and industrial AI


Participate in UN Global Digital Compact initiatives including the Independent Scientific Panel on AI and global dialogue in Geneva in July


Implement AI tools in foreign ministries while maintaining human oversight for decision-making


Develop bias detection technologies to counter AI-enabled disinformation campaigns


Unresolved issues

How to effectively balance AI sovereignty concerns with the need for international cooperation and managed interdependence


Specific mechanisms for ensuring AI systems align with democratic values and ethical standards in practice


How to prevent AI from being weaponized in geopolitical conflicts while maintaining its beneficial applications


The extent to which middle powers can successfully compete with great powers in AI development through alternative strategies


How to scale successful bilateral AI cooperation models like Indo-German partnership to broader multilateral frameworks


Concrete implementation details for making AI governance frameworks actionable rather than just aspirational


Suggested compromises

Focus on ‘managed interdependence’ rather than complete technological sovereignty, where countries leverage specific strengths on the AI value chain


Pursue sectoral AI cooperation that allows countries to contribute their comparative advantages rather than competing across all AI domains


Develop open source alternatives that provide strategic options without completely rejecting international AI collaboration


Use AI for information processing and analysis while maintaining human control over narrative shaping and decision-making


Create inclusive international AI governance frameworks that give voice to all countries while acknowledging the leadership role of frontier AI developers


Thought provoking comments

But the tech is new, but the tactics aren’t. Throughout the history of international relations and foreign policy, technology has always shaped our foreign policy. So this is the AI revolution. But if we take it back to the Industrial Revolution, if we take it back to the nuclear revolution, if we take it back to the space race, technology has always informed diplomacy.

Speaker

Shahani Yaktiyami


Reason

This comment reframes the entire AI diplomacy discussion by providing crucial historical context. It challenges the notion that AI represents an entirely unprecedented challenge and instead positions it within a continuum of technological disruptions that diplomacy has navigated before. This perspective is insightful because it suggests that existing diplomatic frameworks and approaches may be more applicable than initially thought.


Impact

This comment fundamentally shifted the discussion from treating AI as a unique, unprecedented challenge to viewing it through the lens of historical technological revolutions. It prompted Norman Schulz to elaborate on this theme, drawing parallels between AI regulation needs and past nuclear cooperation frameworks. The comment established a more grounded, less alarmist tone for the remainder of the discussion.


We have made a consequential, but I think important decision at the beginning that when we are implementing AI, we are focusing for most of what we do on open source technologies… we have seen a big trend shift or a shift in the trend last year where we have seen that a lot of the kind of leading open source AI models and actually also the ones that have been adopted in many parts of the world are coming from China nowadays.

Speaker

Raphael Leuner


Reason

This comment introduces a critical paradox in AI governance: the tension between choosing open source solutions for transparency and sovereignty concerns, while simultaneously facing the reality that many leading open source models originate from geopolitically sensitive sources. This insight reveals the complexity of ‘technological sovereignty’ in practice.


Impact

This observation sparked a deeper conversation about technological sovereignty and geopolitical risks in AI adoption. It led Shahani to elaborate on how geopolitics and technology can no longer be separated, and prompted discussion about the need for alternative open source models from countries like India and Germany. The comment shifted the focus from theoretical governance to practical implementation challenges.


I don’t think some people believe or make us believe that the AI race is already over or kind of only being decided between the US and China. I don’t believe that. I think we’re more at the start of what’s going to come… I don’t believe for a second that this is only going to be done by the U.S. or China.

Speaker

Raphael Leuner


Reason

This comment challenges the dominant narrative of AI as a zero-sum competition between superpowers. It’s thought-provoking because it rejects technological determinism and suggests that middle powers still have agency and opportunity in shaping AI development, particularly in applications and implementation rather than just frontier model development.


Impact

This optimistic reframing energized the discussion and led to concrete suggestions for Indo-German cooperation. It prompted Shyam to draw parallels with the 1990s open source revolution, suggesting how middle powers could democratize AI access. The comment shifted the conversation from defensive positioning to proactive collaboration strategies.


One of the interesting moments, if you think about technology again, in the 1990s was the open source revolution, right? And when you really saw operating systems, consider the frontier technology of that time being built by volunteers at a fraction of the cost… So I think even coming together as middle powers, the power of open source and democratizing and reducing the factor costs of access to AI, it becomes very powerful.

Speaker

Shyam Krishnakumar


Reason

This historical analogy is particularly insightful because it provides a concrete precedent for how collaborative, open approaches can challenge technological dominance by established powers. It suggests that the current AI landscape might be more malleable than assumed, and that alternative development models could be viable.


Impact

This comment built momentum for the collaborative theme and provided a practical framework for understanding how middle power cooperation could work. It reinforced the optimistic tone established by Raphael’s previous comment and led to further discussion about leveraging respective national strengths in AI development.


I would not let AI shape narratives. I would hope we shape narratives as human beings… And I would be very worried in a world in which AI, we allow AI the space to shape narratives, especially on geopolitics, because then that would depend upon what that particular AI model that is doing the narrative shaping has been trained on.

Speaker

Shahani Yaktiyami


Reason

This comment addresses a fundamental concern about AI’s role in information and narrative formation. It’s thought-provoking because it distinguishes between AI as a tool for amplifying human-created narratives versus AI as an autonomous creator of narratives, highlighting the importance of maintaining human agency in critical areas like geopolitics.


Impact

This response to an audience question about AI and media narratives prompted a nuanced discussion about AI’s appropriate role in information processing. It led to Norman’s observation about AI making content ‘incredibly dull’ if overused, and Raphael’s important distinction about AI being used by actors to shape narratives rather than shaping them independently.


Overall assessment

These key comments collectively transformed what could have been a technical discussion about AI tools into a sophisticated geopolitical and strategic conversation. The historical contextualization early in the discussion established a mature framework for analysis, while the practical insights about open source challenges and opportunities grounded the conversation in real implementation issues. The optimistic reframing of middle power agency shifted the tone from defensive to proactive, leading to concrete suggestions for cooperation. The final exchange about AI and narratives demonstrated the panel’s ability to address nuanced questions about human agency and technological determinism. Together, these comments created a discussion that was both strategically minded and practically grounded, avoiding both technological utopianism and pessimistic determinism.


Follow-up questions

How many Indian experts are on the UN AI panel?

Speaker

Norman Schulz


Explanation

Norman mentioned that Germany and the US/China have two experts each on the Independent Scientific International Panel on AI, but admitted he didn’t know how many Indian experts were on the panel, indicating this as information that needed to be found out.


What are the specific methodologies being used for AI deployment in media and newsrooms?

Speaker

Shahani Yaktiyami


Explanation

Shahani expressed curiosity about how AI is being deployed in media and newsrooms from a methodological perspective, wanting to learn more from the journalist in the audience about their practices.


How can Indo-German cooperation develop open source AI models as alternatives to Chinese models?

Speaker

Raphael Leuner and Shyam Krishnakumar


Explanation

The discussion highlighted the dominance of Chinese open source AI models and the need for alternatives, with suggestions for Indo-German collaboration to create beneficial open source models, but specific implementation strategies were not detailed.


What are the concrete mechanisms for implementing bias detection technologies in AI systems?

Speaker

Shahani Yaktiyami


Explanation

While bias detection technologies were mentioned as something India is working on, the specific technical approaches and implementation strategies for these technologies were not elaborated upon.


How can middle powers effectively coordinate to create a more inclusive AI governance framework beyond the US-China duopoly?

Speaker

Multiple speakers (Norman Schulz, Shahani Yaktiyami, Shyam Krishnakumar)


Explanation

The concept of middle power cooperation was discussed extensively, but concrete mechanisms and frameworks for how countries like Germany and India can effectively coordinate their efforts in AI governance need further development.


What are the specific technical and policy requirements for developing industrial AI cooperation between Germany and India?

Speaker

Shyam Krishnakumar and Norman Schulz


Explanation

Industrial AI was identified as a promising area for Indo-German cooperation, but the specific technical requirements, policy frameworks, and implementation strategies for such cooperation were not detailed.


How can governments effectively monitor and counter AI-amplified disinformation campaigns?

Speaker

Raphael Leuner


Explanation

Raphael mentioned that the German Foreign Office has colleagues monitoring AI-amplified disinformation, but the specific methodologies and tools for detecting and countering such campaigns require further exploration.


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