Internet fragmentation and the UN Global Digital Compact | IGF 2023 Town Hall #74
Event report
Speakers and Moderators
Speakers:
- Pablo Hinojosa, APNIC, Strategic Engagement Director
- Melody Bendindang, APNIC, External Relations Manager
- Michael Kende, Analysys Mason
Moderators:
- Pablo Hinojosa, APNIC
Table of contents
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Session report
Annaliese Williams
The analysis explores the importance of the technical community's involvement in policy discussions and decision-making processes. Annaliese Williams, a government representative with extensive experience, actively participates in technical discussions and observes a common tendency among technical stakeholders to separate technical and policy issues. However, she believes that these issues are closely linked.
Williams argues that the technical community should have a more active role in policy discussions. She highlights that the Global Digital Compact, a comprehensive collaborative framework for achieving the Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs), does not necessarily prioritize technical stakeholders. This lack of representation poses a risk of marginalizing their unique perspective in policy-making processes.
Additionally, Williams emphasizes the significant expertise within the technical community. This expertise is crucial in facilitating conversations and decision-making processes related to technology, especially as the landscape rapidly evolves. The increasing reliance on the internet has also transformed the identity of the technical community, making their involvement even more valuable.
Peter, along with Williams, stresses the need for discussions on the role of the technical community. Both agree that engaging with governments and understanding the problems they seek to solve is crucial for effectively implementing technology. Williams emphasizes that establishing dialogues and building relationships with governments can provide technologists with a deeper understanding of the challenges they aim to address.
The analysis also highlights the importance of collaboration among technical stakeholders to improve coordination and governance. It underscores the need for greater collaboration among existing internet institutions to ensure effective coordination.
Governments play a significant role in the analysis. It emphasizes that governments are not adversaries but are responsible for protecting citizens. Their involvement in policy discussions and decision-making processes is vital for ensuring public security and maintaining peace and justice.
Furthermore, the analysis suggests that technical stakeholders should consider and coordinate their contributions to public policy processes. Even if they choose not to engage, policy conversations will still occur, and it is crucial for them to participate in order to make informed decisions.
Lastly, the analysis mentions that OUTA, an organization focused on internet governance, has recently published an internet governance roadmap. This roadmap serves as evidence of the growing need for collaboration among technical stakeholders to effectively address the complexities of internet governance.
In conclusion, the analysis underscores the significance of active engagement from the technical community in policy discussions and decision-making processes. It highlights the close link between technical and policy issues and the potential risk of marginalizing the voice of technical stakeholders. The expertise within the technical community, the evolving identity due to increased reliance on the internet, and cooperation with governments play crucial roles in achieving effective technology implementation. The involvement of technical stakeholders in public policy processes is essential for informed decision-making and improved governance.
Michael Kende
The Global Digital Compact, proposed by the UN, is an initiative aimed at addressing key issues in the digital space, including connecting the unconnected, data governance, human rights online, artificial intelligence, and preventing fragmentation of the Internet. This compact promotes a collaborative and inclusive approach to digital cooperation.
However, there is ongoing discussion regarding the role of the technical community within this compact and internet governance as a whole. The technical community, including stakeholders such as ICANN, IETF, and the IGF, plays a crucial role in ensuring an unfragmented and interoperable Internet. Questions have been raised about how to ensure the technical community's involvement in negotiations and the future of internet governance. It is argued that the technical community must ensure its active participation in these processes to safeguard its interests and expertise.
One concern raised is that the original definition of multi-stakeholder governance does not explicitly mention the technical community. This exclusion has prompted calls for a more inclusive approach that recognizes the importance of the technical community in shaping internet governance frameworks. It is suggested that historical oversights or laziness in considering the role of the technical community should not lead to its subsuming within civil society.
Michael Kende, a prominent figure in the discussion, emphasizes the need for the technical community to take a proactive approach in addressing potential risks related to the internet. He argues that rather than being reactive, the technical community should anticipate and discuss potential risks in a timely manner. Kende proposes the concept of "forensics," which involves examining what is said and by whom. He highlights the importance of addressing potential threats before they materialize.
Furthermore, Kende advocates for a comprehensive and proactive approach to internet governance. He suggests that the technical community should engage on a broader range of issues, such as protecting citizens and human rights, in addition to fulfilling its own role. By adopting this approach, Kende believes that the technical community can contribute to the development of an interoperable internet and help prevent fragmentation.
In conclusion, the Global Digital Compact proposed by the UN aims to address various topics related to the digital space. The role of the technical community within this compact and internet governance as a whole is under discussion. There are calls for the technical community to ensure its active participation in negotiations and the future of internet governance. Additionally, concerns have been raised about the exclusion of the technical community in the original definition of multi-stakeholder governance. Michael Kende highlights the importance of a proactive approach in addressing potential risks and suggests a comprehensive engagement on a broader range of issues. By doing so, he believes that the technical community can contribute to avoiding internet fragmentation and promoting an interoperable internet.
Audience
Jean-François expresses significant concern about the proposed merger of the technical community with another community. He questions the reasons behind specifically targeting the technical community for this change. His argument highlights the negative sentiment towards this proposed change, stating that the technical community should not be treated in this manner. Additionally, Jean-François enquires about the experiences of other communities who have undergone similar changes, suggesting that their perspectives could provide valuable insights.
Peter Koch emphasizes the critical role played by the technical community in internet governance. He asserts that there should be better understanding and recognition of their contributions. Koch suggests that instead of investing time and energy into the forensics of events, it would be more beneficial to focus on explaining the importance and contribution of the technical community. This positive sentiment stresses the need for greater appreciation of the technical community's involvement in internet governance.
The analysis also reveals that the line between different stakeholder groups in internet governance is blurry, as noted by Peter Koch. The technical community's ability to identify and explain potential side effects of regulations is crucial. This highlights the valuable insights that the technical community can provide in shaping effective and balanced internet regulations.
The analysis further shows that the demographics of negotiators for foreign ministries have changed significantly since 2005. There is a deficit of direct interaction between the technical community and their counterparts in the foreign ministry, indicating a need for closer collaboration and communication between these groups.
Overall, it is clear that there is a strong argument for increased collaboration between the technical community and policymakers. The analysis supports the notion that policymakers and the technical community should reach out to each other for more effective collaboration, as this will lead to better understanding and mutual benefit in achieving objectives in digital and technical sectors.
The analysis also highlights the importance of including technologists in policy discussions about technology. Technologists are the ones who ultimately implement the policies, making their inclusion critical for effective policy design and implementation. Examples from healthcare and architecture demonstrate the successful integration of professionals into relevant policy discussions, further reinforcing the argument for involving technologists in technology-related policy discussions.
Moreover, the technical community's presence and involvement in every conversation involving internet regulation is strongly advocated. This includes the need for a different approach in conveying their message, focusing on equipping governments with a clear narrative that enables them to defend the internet.
In conclusion, the analysis underscores the importance of recognising the essential role played by the technical community in areas such as internet governance and technology policy-making. Collaboration, communication, and a deeper understanding between the technical community and other stakeholders are crucial for achieving effective policy outcomes and better internet governance.
Danko Jevtovic
The internet is a network of networks, defined by IETF-developed protocols such as IPv4 and IPv6. It is not fragmented, as the core technical layer remains intact and functional. The internet is defined by IP addresses assigned by regional Internet registries and the BGP routing. Trust in the root server system is essential to avoid internet fragmentation. The DNS system, managed by IANA, defines the internet for end users and must be trusted to maintain its continuity and interoperability. Protecting the mid-layer of the internet is crucial for content and ensuring the smooth flow of information. The mid-layer is critical for maintaining the interoperability and accessibility of the internet, and this should be acknowledged in discussions about a global digital compact. The technical community plays a critical role in preserving the freedom of open protocols and ensuring interoperability. Their concerns should not be overlooked in policy discussions. Attempting to regulate content through the mid-layer could lead to fragmentation and more issues. ICANN actively engages with governments to advise and influence public policy related to the internet. Collaboration between ICANN and governments is vital for well-informed policies. ICANN, along with other technical communities, is preparing for the VISIS plus 20 review to update and synchronize with the evolving world. ICANN takes measures to tackle DNS abuse and maintain communication with governments. Fragmentation of the internet could have significant consequences, especially for developing countries. The internet is crucial for their participation in the global world. It is essential to celebrate and protect the successes of the internet for all citizens of the world. Having one internet for one world allows countries to participate actively in global affairs, share culture and knowledge, and achieve common goals through partnerships.
Bruna Martins Dos Santos
The analysis provides a comprehensive overview of the discussions around internet governance and digital cooperation, offering insights into the viewpoints and arguments of different stakeholders.
One key point is the potential complementarity of fragmentation and diversity in internet governance discussions. Different perspectives and approaches resulting from fragmentation and diversity can contribute to a deeper understanding of challenges and opportunities in the field.
However, concerns arise about the tendency to bundle all stakeholders together without considering their individual contributions. This approach may disregard valuable discussions and problems from individual communities. The recent suggestion that civil society should engage with member states as part of delegations raises concerns about multi-stakeholderism.
Apprehensions surround the proposed Digital Cooperation Forum due to its potential exclusivity and costliness. The forum could amplify existing disparities and restrict participation for those with limited access or knowledge. Ensuring accessibility and inclusivity is crucial for any digital cooperation initiatives.
There are also concerns about excluding the technical community from decision-making processes. The shift towards an intergovernmental process in the Global Digital Cooperation (GDC) sidelines their expertise and input, which is vital for effective governance and coordination.
Including corporations in tech regulation discussions is seen as necessary to address issues concerning information integrity and content moderation. The creation of a Code of Conduct for Information Integrity and involving social media companies and other content-related corporations highlight their importance in such discussions.
The abandonment of the multi-stakeholder model in tech regulation disappoints civil society and technical communities. The move away from a model that promised improvements in participation spaces and the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) is considered a setback, leading to frustration among stakeholders.
Transparency is a significant concern in the GDC process. Unanswered questions, limited stakeholder dialogue, and unequal speaking opportunities highlight the need for a more transparent and inclusive approach.
In conclusion, the analysis stresses the importance of inclusive and transparent discussions among the technical community, civil society, and other stakeholders in internet governance. Recognizing the value of fragmentation and diversity while ensuring the active participation of relevant parties will lead to more effective and inclusive digital cooperation.
Moderator
The analysis explored various aspects of internet governance, with a particular focus on the involvement of the technical community. One of the key challenges discussed was network fragmentation, which has been an issue since the inception of the internet. The primary aim of the internet was to enable separate and fragmented networks to collaborate effectively. Resilience and scalability were identified as the main objectives in the early stages of the internet's development.
To address the problem of fragmentation, it was stressed that unified protocols, shared management of technical resources, and collaborative governance are essential for the proper functioning of the internet. Efforts have been made to further unify network protocols, such as through the ITU's Network 2030 initiative. Furthermore, the speakers underscored the significance of the technical community in achieving policy objectives, highlighting the importance of effective cooperation between the technical community and governments.
The analysis also explored the role of the technical community in shaping the internet. The internet is defined by the IP addresses assigned by the Regional Internet Registry, as well as the trust placed in the root server system by end-users. While different countries may have varied user experiences, it was noted that fragmentation and diversity can coexist as long as the middle technical layer functions effectively.
In addition, it was emphasized that the technical community should actively engage with policy stakeholders and governments instead of remaining passive observers. Their expertise and perspectives should be heard and considered in policy discussions to prevent the potential fragmentation of the internet. The analysis also highlighted the importance of the technical community's involvement in discussing the possible consequences of policy decisions relating to internet regulation.
The analysis further touched upon the changing demographics of negotiators since 2005, with a call for increased engagement and collaboration between the technical community and foreign ministries. It also emphasized the need for timely preparation for upcoming negotiations, the impact of language barriers and different perspectives in interactions between the technical community and policy makers, and the importance of coordinated stakeholder responses to public policy processes.
Overall, the analysis underlined the critical role of the technical community in internet governance. It highlighted the necessity for their active engagement with policy stakeholders and governments, as well as their contribution to discussions on potential policy consequences. The pursuit of unified protocols, shared governance, and collective action from diverse stakeholders were identified as crucial for the preservation and functionality of the internet.
Speakers
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Annaliese Williams
Speech speed
154 words per minute
Speech length
978 words
Speech time
382 secs
Arguments
Technical and policy issues are closely linked
Supporting facts:
- Annaliese had been involved in technical discussions for many years from a government perspective
- Annaliese observes a tendency among many technical stakeholders to separate technical and policy issues
Topics: Internet Governance Forum, Policy Issues, Technical Stakeholders
There is significant expertise in the technical community
Topics: Technical Stakeholders
Annaliese Williams doesn't believe the decision was deliberate
Topics: Deliberation on decision, Role of technical community, Internet usage
Williams emphasizes the changing identity of the technical community due to the increased reliance on the internet
Topics: Internet, Technical community
Technical stakeholders should be a part of the conversation while deciding on technological implementations
Supporting facts:
- The application and implementation of technological resolutions come from technologists
- Dialogues and relationship building with governments can help in understanding the problems they are trying to solve
Topics: Technology, Healthcare, Building Codes, Architects, Internet
OUTA has recently published an internet governance roadmap
Supporting facts:
- The roadmap can be found on OUTA's website
Topics: Internet Governance, OUTA
Strengthen collaboration between the policy and the technical stakeholders
Topics: Internet Governance, Policy Stakeholders, Technical Stakeholders
Governments are not the enemy but there to protect their citizens
Supporting facts:
- Job of the government is to protect their citizens
Topics: Government policies, Public security
Report
The analysis explores the importance of the technical community's involvement in policy discussions and decision-making processes. Annaliese Williams, a government representative with extensive experience, actively participates in technical discussions and observes a common tendency among technical stakeholders to separate technical and policy issues.
However, she believes that these issues are closely linked. Williams argues that the technical community should have a more active role in policy discussions. She highlights that the Global Digital Compact, a comprehensive collaborative framework for achieving the Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs), does not necessarily prioritize technical stakeholders.
This lack of representation poses a risk of marginalizing their unique perspective in policy-making processes. Additionally, Williams emphasizes the significant expertise within the technical community. This expertise is crucial in facilitating conversations and decision-making processes related to technology, especially as the landscape rapidly evolves.
The increasing reliance on the internet has also transformed the identity of the technical community, making their involvement even more valuable. Peter, along with Williams, stresses the need for discussions on the role of the technical community. Both agree that engaging with governments and understanding the problems they seek to solve is crucial for effectively implementing technology.
Williams emphasizes that establishing dialogues and building relationships with governments can provide technologists with a deeper understanding of the challenges they aim to address. The analysis also highlights the importance of collaboration among technical stakeholders to improve coordination and governance.
It underscores the need for greater collaboration among existing internet institutions to ensure effective coordination. Governments play a significant role in the analysis. It emphasizes that governments are not adversaries but are responsible for protecting citizens. Their involvement in policy discussions and decision-making processes is vital for ensuring public security and maintaining peace and justice.
Furthermore, the analysis suggests that technical stakeholders should consider and coordinate their contributions to public policy processes. Even if they choose not to engage, policy conversations will still occur, and it is crucial for them to participate in order to make informed decisions.
Lastly, the analysis mentions that OUTA, an organization focused on internet governance, has recently published an internet governance roadmap. This roadmap serves as evidence of the growing need for collaboration among technical stakeholders to effectively address the complexities of internet governance.
In conclusion, the analysis underscores the significance of active engagement from the technical community in policy discussions and decision-making processes. It highlights the close link between technical and policy issues and the potential risk of marginalizing the voice of technical stakeholders.
The expertise within the technical community, the evolving identity due to increased reliance on the internet, and cooperation with governments play crucial roles in achieving effective technology implementation. The involvement of technical stakeholders in public policy processes is essential for informed decision-making and improved governance.
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Audience
Speech speed
188 words per minute
Speech length
1915 words
Speech time
611 secs
Arguments
Jean-François is concerned about the proposed change of the technical community merging with another community.
Topics: Technical Community, Change, Merger
He questioned the reason behind targeting the technical community for the change.
Topics: Technical Community, Change
He enquires about other communities' experiences on similar changes.
Topics: Community Changes, Community Mergers
He wants to know who were consulted for this decision.
Topics: Decision Making, Consultation Process
He is interested in the plans and strategies of the technical community to avoid possible merger.
Topics: Technical Community, Preventive Measures
Exclusion comes from the perspective of the GDC moving forward as a solely intergovernmental process
Supporting facts:
- The tech envoy suggested asking for inclusion within delegations
- The perspective is that anything that's not governmental should be left aside
Topics: GDC, Intergovernmental process, Technical Community
The technical community plays a critical role in internet governance, and there needs to be better understanding and recognition of this role.
Supporting facts:
- Peter Koch stresses on the importance of the technical community in identifying and explaining potential side effects of regulations on a technical level.
Topics: Internet Governance, Technical Community
The line between different stakeholder groups in internet governance is blurry.
Supporting facts:
- Peter Koch notes that boundaries between stakeholder groups aren't sharp or thin; they're always in a state of flux.
Topics: Internet Governance, Stakeholder Groups
The technical community's contribution has evolved with shifts in internet governance moving towards digital.
Supporting facts:
- Peter Koch implies that the shift of internet governance towards digital could potentially include other contributors from the technical community.
Topics: Internet Governance, Digital Evolution, Technical Community
Demographics of negotiators for foreign ministries has changed significantly since 2005
Supporting facts:
- Foreign Ministries' demographics have changed since 2005
Topics: Foreign Ministries, Negotiation, Demographics
The challenge is that the people that various communities want to interact with are not the same anymore.
Supporting facts:
- Audience identifies the issue of identifying the right participants for negotiations as a challenge
Topics: Foreign Ministries, Negotiation, Communication
There is a deficit of direct interaction between the technical community and their counterparts in the foreign ministry.
Supporting facts:
- Audience questions tech community's interaction with foreign ministries
Topics: Foreign Ministries, Negotiation, Technical Community
The GDC negotiations will likely start at the beginning of the new year and there's limited time for preparation.
Supporting facts:
- Audience highlights urgency of GDC negotiations
Topics: Foreign Ministries, Negotiation, GDC negotiations
Different member states are at different stages of readiness for negotiation.
Supporting facts:
- Audience states different member states are in different stages
Topics: Foreign Ministries, Negotiation, Member States
Technologists should be included in policy discussions about technology because they are the ones to ultimately implement the policies.
Supporting facts:
- Technologists created the Internet, a vital piece of modern society.
- The implementation of tech-related policies ultimately falls to technologists.
- Architecture and health care fields engage their respective professionals in policy discussions.
Topics: technology, policy-making, implementation
Technical community should be involved in every conversation involving internet regulation.
Supporting facts:
- This is the purpose of this session, to understand how to engage in these processes and what the community has to contribute.
- These are intergovernmental processes, the best way to engage is to empathize and understand each other's motives.
Topics: Internet Regulation, Technical Community
The technical community and government are not two separate communities and should not be antagonistic towards each other
Supporting facts:
- The speaker works in a department that involves both government and technical expertise
- They have a team of technical experts actively engaged in technical bodies
Topics: technical community, government, cohesion
Report
Jean-François expresses significant concern about the proposed merger of the technical community with another community. He questions the reasons behind specifically targeting the technical community for this change. His argument highlights the negative sentiment towards this proposed change, stating that the technical community should not be treated in this manner.
Additionally, Jean-François enquires about the experiences of other communities who have undergone similar changes, suggesting that their perspectives could provide valuable insights. Peter Koch emphasizes the critical role played by the technical community in internet governance. He asserts that there should be better understanding and recognition of their contributions.
Koch suggests that instead of investing time and energy into the forensics of events, it would be more beneficial to focus on explaining the importance and contribution of the technical community. This positive sentiment stresses the need for greater appreciation of the technical community's involvement in internet governance.
The analysis also reveals that the line between different stakeholder groups in internet governance is blurry, as noted by Peter Koch. The technical community's ability to identify and explain potential side effects of regulations is crucial. This highlights the valuable insights that the technical community can provide in shaping effective and balanced internet regulations.
The analysis further shows that the demographics of negotiators for foreign ministries have changed significantly since 2005. There is a deficit of direct interaction between the technical community and their counterparts in the foreign ministry, indicating a need for closer collaboration and communication between these groups.
Overall, it is clear that there is a strong argument for increased collaboration between the technical community and policymakers. The analysis supports the notion that policymakers and the technical community should reach out to each other for more effective collaboration, as this will lead to better understanding and mutual benefit in achieving objectives in digital and technical sectors.
The analysis also highlights the importance of including technologists in policy discussions about technology. Technologists are the ones who ultimately implement the policies, making their inclusion critical for effective policy design and implementation. Examples from healthcare and architecture demonstrate the successful integration of professionals into relevant policy discussions, further reinforcing the argument for involving technologists in technology-related policy discussions.
Moreover, the technical community's presence and involvement in every conversation involving internet regulation is strongly advocated. This includes the need for a different approach in conveying their message, focusing on equipping governments with a clear narrative that enables them to defend the internet.
In conclusion, the analysis underscores the importance of recognising the essential role played by the technical community in areas such as internet governance and technology policy-making. Collaboration, communication, and a deeper understanding between the technical community and other stakeholders are crucial for achieving effective policy outcomes and better internet governance.
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Bruna Martins Dos Santos
Speech speed
174 words per minute
Speech length
1415 words
Speech time
487 secs
Arguments
Fragmentation and diversity can complement each other in discussions about internet governance
Supporting facts:
- The PNIF divides the debate into three baskets: Technical fragmentation, fragmentation of the user experience, and fragmentation of internet governance and coordination.
- The network suggests all digital cooperation and governance discussions should leverage the IGF's collective intelligence.
Topics: Fragmentation, Diversity, Internet governance
The proposed exclusion of the technical community seems to stem from a shift towards an intergovernmental process in the GDC.
Supporting facts:
- The tech envoy suggested inclusion within delegations.
Topics: GDC, Technical community, Intergovernmental process
The civil society gathering had a consensus that no conversation should move forward without the technical community.
Topics: Civil society gathering, Technical community, Inclusion
Corporations' inclusion in tech regulation is necessary for the UN's buy-in
Supporting facts:
- The Summit of the Future process encompasses these discussions and includes the creation of a Code of Conduct for Information Integrity affecting corporations
- Such discussions will involve social media companies and other content-related corporations
Topics: corporate regulation, UN, tech companies
GDC process is problematic
Supporting facts:
- First question regarding the modalities was unanswered after two years
- Deep dives were cut in half preventing further stakeholder dialogue
- Only consultations in New York were given speaking time
Topics: GDC, Consultations, Transparency, CSO
Report
The analysis provides a comprehensive overview of the discussions around internet governance and digital cooperation, offering insights into the viewpoints and arguments of different stakeholders. One key point is the potential complementarity of fragmentation and diversity in internet governance discussions.
Different perspectives and approaches resulting from fragmentation and diversity can contribute to a deeper understanding of challenges and opportunities in the field. However, concerns arise about the tendency to bundle all stakeholders together without considering their individual contributions. This approach may disregard valuable discussions and problems from individual communities.
The recent suggestion that civil society should engage with member states as part of delegations raises concerns about multi-stakeholderism. Apprehensions surround the proposed Digital Cooperation Forum due to its potential exclusivity and costliness. The forum could amplify existing disparities and restrict participation for those with limited access or knowledge.
Ensuring accessibility and inclusivity is crucial for any digital cooperation initiatives. There are also concerns about excluding the technical community from decision-making processes. The shift towards an intergovernmental process in the Global Digital Cooperation (GDC) sidelines their expertise and input, which is vital for effective governance and coordination.
Including corporations in tech regulation discussions is seen as necessary to address issues concerning information integrity and content moderation. The creation of a Code of Conduct for Information Integrity and involving social media companies and other content-related corporations highlight their importance in such discussions.
The abandonment of the multi-stakeholder model in tech regulation disappoints civil society and technical communities. The move away from a model that promised improvements in participation spaces and the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) is considered a setback, leading to frustration among stakeholders.
Transparency is a significant concern in the GDC process. Unanswered questions, limited stakeholder dialogue, and unequal speaking opportunities highlight the need for a more transparent and inclusive approach. In conclusion, the analysis stresses the importance of inclusive and transparent discussions among the technical community, civil society, and other stakeholders in internet governance.
Recognizing the value of fragmentation and diversity while ensuring the active participation of relevant parties will lead to more effective and inclusive digital cooperation.
DJ
Danko Jevtovic
Speech speed
151 words per minute
Speech length
1607 words
Speech time
638 secs
Arguments
The internet is not fragmented, as the core technical layer is still intact and functional
Supporting facts:
- Internet is a network of networks, defined by IETF developed protocols, notably IPv4 and IPv6
- Internet is defined by the IP addresses assigned by the regional Internet registry and by the BGP routing
Topics: Internet Fragmentation, Technical Layer, Internet Protocol
The importance of trust in the root server system to avoid internet fragmentation
Supporting facts:
- For end users, Internet is defined by the DNS system, and managed by IANA
- The system is overlaid on the telecommunication networks and below the applications and content
Topics: Internet Fragmentation, Trust, Root Server System
The technical community role should be well-defined, acting as the keeper of future freedom of the open protocols and interoperability
Topics: Technical Community, Internet Governance, Open Protocols
The technical community plays an essential role in helping countries understand the implications of potential policy discussions
Supporting facts:
- The Technical Community observes the regulations of any country and discusses with them
- The Technical Community is part of the IGF and WSIS process
- Government Advisory Committee and Global Stakeholder Engagement are part of ICANN
Topics: Technical Community, Policy Discussions, Internet Regulation
There's a risk that future concerns of the technical community may not be fully taken into account
Supporting facts:
- The importance of the Technical Community in discussions about names and numbers is being overshadowed by issues of content, abuse, crime, hate speech, etc.
- There's a trend moving away from the importance of names and numbers, which were the traditional focus of technical discussions
Topics: Technical Community, Internet Regulation
Attempts to regulate content problems through the mid-layer could lead to possible fragmentation and more issues
Supporting facts:
- The mid-layer is considered a convenient location for some kinds of regulation to solve the content problem
- Regulation in this area does not work and can create varied problems
Topics: Internet Content Regulation, Internet Fragmentation
ICANN is actively working with government representatives to advise the ICANN board on public policies
Supporting facts:
- ICANN has a Government Advisory Committee
- There is a government engagement team present in ICANN, actively participating in various interactions
- In June next year, ICANN will host a large meeting in Africa inviting high-level ministerial representatives globally
Topics: Internet, Public policy, Government interaction
ICANN, along with other technical communities, is preparing for the VISIS plus 20 review
Supporting facts:
- ISOC, country code registries, and regional IP registries are also part of this preparation
- The review is seen as a move to bring things in sync with the importance of the current world
Topics: VISIS plus 20 review, Internet, Technical community
ICANN is very active in addressing DNS abuse and communicates with the governments regarding the same
Supporting facts:
- There was a bilateral meeting with the UK minister discussing the importance of addressing online crimes which are the most increasing crime for the UK government
Topics: DNS abuse, Internet
The risks of the fragmentation of internet are real and can be significant especially for developing countries
Supporting facts:
- Internet is the key for countries to be a part of the global world, to export their services, to be part of the global workforce, to learn, and to share culture
Topics: Internet fragmentation, Developing countries, Globalization
Report
The internet is a network of networks, defined by IETF-developed protocols such as IPv4 and IPv6. It is not fragmented, as the core technical layer remains intact and functional. The internet is defined by IP addresses assigned by regional Internet registries and the BGP routing.
Trust in the root server system is essential to avoid internet fragmentation. The DNS system, managed by IANA, defines the internet for end users and must be trusted to maintain its continuity and interoperability. Protecting the mid-layer of the internet is crucial for content and ensuring the smooth flow of information.
The mid-layer is critical for maintaining the interoperability and accessibility of the internet, and this should be acknowledged in discussions about a global digital compact. The technical community plays a critical role in preserving the freedom of open protocols and ensuring interoperability.
Their concerns should not be overlooked in policy discussions. Attempting to regulate content through the mid-layer could lead to fragmentation and more issues. ICANN actively engages with governments to advise and influence public policy related to the internet. Collaboration between ICANN and governments is vital for well-informed policies.
ICANN, along with other technical communities, is preparing for the VISIS plus 20 review to update and synchronize with the evolving world. ICANN takes measures to tackle DNS abuse and maintain communication with governments. Fragmentation of the internet could have significant consequences, especially for developing countries.
The internet is crucial for their participation in the global world. It is essential to celebrate and protect the successes of the internet for all citizens of the world. Having one internet for one world allows countries to participate actively in global affairs, share culture and knowledge, and achieve common goals through partnerships.
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Michael Kende
Speech speed
161 words per minute
Speech length
1552 words
Speech time
580 secs
Arguments
The Global Digital Compact by the UN
Supporting facts:
- After years of discussions and reports on digital cooperation, the idea for the compact was proposed by the UN Secretary General in 2021
- The GDC is planned to cover a number of topics including connecting the unconnected, data governance, human rights online, artificial intelligence, and avoiding fragmentation of the Internet
Topics: Internet Governance, Internet Fragmentation, Technical Community
The role of the technical community in the Global Digital Compact
Supporting facts:
- Technical community was specifically highlighted as a stakeholder contributing to the work of government, private sector, and civil society
- Questions still exist on how to ensure an unfragmented Internet, how to make sure it's interoperable, and the role of ICANN, IETF, and the IGF in supporting Internet governance
- Some indications suggest a new tripartite view of digital cooperation, leaving the technical community subsumed within civil society
Topics: Internet Governance, Technical Community
The original definition of multi-stakeholder governance does not specifically mention the technical community
Supporting facts:
- The original definition of multi-stakeholder governance talks about the development and application by governments, the private sector and civil society
Topics: multi-stakeholder governance, technical community
The academic community is not mentioned at all in the definition of multi-stakeholder governance
Topics: multi-stakeholder governance, academic community
Historical laziness or oversights should not lead to the subsuming of the technical community
Topics: multi-stakeholder governance, technical community
Michael Kende emphasized on the need for the technical community to foresee and discuss potential risks in relation to the Internet, rather than responding too late.
Supporting facts:
- The new IP proposal presented a tangible threat, which prompted response from various technical bodies. He sees a similar approach as necessary for future risks.
- He referred to the process of addressing potential threats as 'forensics', looking at what was said and by whom.
- Draws reference to how some issues that the new IP aimed to address were already being discussed at ITF and elsewhere.
Topics: Technical community, Regulation, Internet
Michael Kende supports the idea of two-way engagement and believes that addressing a broader range of issues is a way to avoid internet fragmentation.
Supporting facts:
- Michael points out that government concerns are not only about fragmentation but other areas too like protecting citizens and human rights.
- He suggests a proactive approach by engaging on different topics.
Topics: two-way engagement, internet fragmentation, government concerns, human rights
Report
The Global Digital Compact, proposed by the UN, is an initiative aimed at addressing key issues in the digital space, including connecting the unconnected, data governance, human rights online, artificial intelligence, and preventing fragmentation of the Internet. This compact promotes a collaborative and inclusive approach to digital cooperation.
However, there is ongoing discussion regarding the role of the technical community within this compact and internet governance as a whole. The technical community, including stakeholders such as ICANN, IETF, and the IGF, plays a crucial role in ensuring an unfragmented and interoperable Internet.
Questions have been raised about how to ensure the technical community's involvement in negotiations and the future of internet governance. It is argued that the technical community must ensure its active participation in these processes to safeguard its interests and expertise.
One concern raised is that the original definition of multi-stakeholder governance does not explicitly mention the technical community. This exclusion has prompted calls for a more inclusive approach that recognizes the importance of the technical community in shaping internet governance frameworks.
It is suggested that historical oversights or laziness in considering the role of the technical community should not lead to its subsuming within civil society. Michael Kende, a prominent figure in the discussion, emphasizes the need for the technical community to take a proactive approach in addressing potential risks related to the internet.
He argues that rather than being reactive, the technical community should anticipate and discuss potential risks in a timely manner. Kende proposes the concept of "forensics," which involves examining what is said and by whom. He highlights the importance of addressing potential threats before they materialize.
Furthermore, Kende advocates for a comprehensive and proactive approach to internet governance. He suggests that the technical community should engage on a broader range of issues, such as protecting citizens and human rights, in addition to fulfilling its own role.
By adopting this approach, Kende believes that the technical community can contribute to the development of an interoperable internet and help prevent fragmentation. In conclusion, the Global Digital Compact proposed by the UN aims to address various topics related to the digital space.
The role of the technical community within this compact and internet governance as a whole is under discussion. There are calls for the technical community to ensure its active participation in negotiations and the future of internet governance. Additionally, concerns have been raised about the exclusion of the technical community in the original definition of multi-stakeholder governance.
Michael Kende highlights the importance of a proactive approach in addressing potential risks and suggests a comprehensive engagement on a broader range of issues. By doing so, he believes that the technical community can contribute to avoiding internet fragmentation and promoting an interoperable internet.
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Arguments
The fragmentation of networks was an issue from the start
Supporting facts:
- The internet was built as a way to ensure that separate and fragmented networks could work together
- Main objective in the origins of the internet was resilience and scalability
Topics: Internet fragmentation, Network protocols, Internet standards
Unified protocols, shared technical resource management, and shared governance are necessary for internet functionality
Supporting facts:
- The internet was built to unify separate networks
- There attempts to unify network protocols further, such as the Network 2030 initiative of the ITU
Topics: Internet governance, Technical resources, Network protocols
The Internet is defined by the IP addresses assigned by the Regional Internet Registry and trust of end-users in the root server system.
Supporting facts:
- Internet is a network of networks defined by the IETF developed protocols like IPv4 and IPv6.
- The DNS system is another defining point of the Internet for end users.
Topics: Internet Protocol addresses, root server system
Fragmentation and diversity are not in opposition and they can complement each other.
Supporting facts:
- Different countries have different user experiences, but these are not fragmentation if the middle technical layer is functioning.
Topics: Internet fragmentation, Diversity
Preserving the open, free, secure and globally interoperable Internet is best done when we have all the stakeholders
Supporting facts:
- Anneliese's experience with the Australian government and with ICANN's Governmental Advisory Committee
- Reference to the role of global digital compact
Topics: Internet Accessibility, Multi-stakeholder Meetings, Global Digital Compact
Technical community needs to engage with policy stakeholders and governments
Supporting facts:
- The experience of observed tendency among technical stakeholders to separate technical and policy issues
- Acknowledgment of the technical community's expertise
Topics: Internet Policy, Technical Community Engagement
The technical community plays a crucial role in discussing the potential consequences of policy decisions relating to internet regulation
Supporting facts:
- The technical community doesn't create legislation, rather they aid in understanding potential policy consequences
- The ICANN government advisory committee and the global stakeholder engagement are some of the platforms for these discussions
Topics: internet regulation, technical community, policy
Change in demographics of negotiators since 2005.
Supporting facts:
- Foreign ministries' demographics have significantly changed since 2005.
- The people foreign ministries want to interact with are not the same anymore.
- Different member states are at different levels of cooperation and collaboration internally.
Topics: Foreign ministries, Negotiations, Diplomatic interactions
Technical community needs to engage and educate their foreign ministry counterparts.
Supporting facts:
- Most people from the technical community haven't met their foreign ministry counterparts.
- The challenge is accelerating.
Topics: Technical community, Foreign ministries, Engagement, Education
Urgency to prepare for the upcoming GDC negotiations.
Supporting facts:
- GDC negotiations will probably start soon in the new year.
- There's only 2.5 months to prepare.
Topics: GDC negotiations, Preparation, Urgency
Language barrier and different perspectives between the two bodies.
Supporting facts:
- The technical community and policy makers sometimes speak different professional 'languages'.
- There is a lost in translation aspect in their interaction.
Topics: Language barrier, Different perspectives, Communication
Involvement of the technical community in internet governance has become crucial
Supporting facts:
- Technical community was actively involved in internet governance in the past
- Growth of internet usage has brought government interests into the domain
Topics: Internet Governance, Technical Community, Government involvement
The technical community needs to equip governments to defend the internet
Supporting facts:
- Government stakeholders are part of the multi-stakeholder model for internet governance
- Increases in misuse of the internet through misinformation, cyberattacks etc.
- Infrastructure for internet governance exists
Topics: Internet defense, Government role, Technical Community
OUTA has recently published an internet governance roadmap, calling for greater collaboration among the technical stakeholders to ensure better coordination and strengthen collaboration between policy and technical stakeholders.
Supporting facts:
- OUTA's internet governance roadmap is published on their website
Topics: Internet governance, Technical stakeholders, Policy stakeholders, Collaboration, OUTA
ICANN working closely with Government Advisory Committee and has government engagement team in place
Supporting facts:
- ICANN has traditionally worked with representatives of country-specific governments who advise the ICANN board on public policies
- ICANN will have high-level ministerial meeting in Africa next year
Topics: ICANN, Government Advisory Committee, Government Engagement
ICANN actively addresses DNS abuse
Supporting facts:
- ICANN is actively addressing DNS abuse, particularly as online crime increases
- Bilateral meetings with UK minister highlighted that the UK government considers online crime a major issue
Topics: ICANN, DNS abuse
The technical community should foresee and discuss the potential risks and side effects of regulation before they become a tangible threat
Supporting facts:
- New IP proposal presented clear and present danger, which the technical community responded to through discussions and papers
- There's risk of reacting too late when something is finally drafted and presents a tangible threat
Topics: Internet Governance, Technology regulation
Eva Gnatyshenko, a representative from the UK Government Department for Science, Innovation and Tech, believes that there shouldn't be a strong distinction between the technical community and the government sector.
Supporting facts:
- Eva has a team of technical experts who engage actively in ICANN and other technical bodies.
- The UK foreign offices are also attempting to integrate more technical expertise into their missions.
Topics: Technical Community, Government sector, UK Government Department for Science, Innovation and Tech
Eva is seeking the right mechanisms for foreign ministries to engage with the technical community and vice versa.
Supporting facts:
- UK foreign offices are trying to get more technical expertise into their missions.
Topics: Technical Community, Foreign ministries, Engagement
Eva mentioned disappointment with the low participation from the private sector and the technical community in the GDC consultation.
Supporting facts:
- Despite an open process, contributions from the private sector and from the technical community were limited.
Topics: GDC consultation, Technical Community, Private sector
The risks of the fragmentation of internet are real and the consequences are significant especially for developing countries
Supporting facts:
- Governments have technical experts and we should work together
- Internet is key for developing countries like Serbia to be part of the global world
- Internet allows people to export their services, be part of the global workforce, learn, work, and share culture
Topics: Internet fragmentation, Developing countries, Global workforce
Governments are trying to protect their citizens and not trying to stop everybody having a good time
Supporting facts:
- That's the job of the government
Topics: Government Intervention, Public Protection
There is a need for a coordinated response into some of these public policy processes
Supporting facts:
- These conversations will be happening whether we engage with them or not
Topics: Public Policy, Stakeholder Collaboration
Technical stakeholders should give consideration to what they can contribute and need to coordinate among themselves to provide input to these processes
Topics: Stakeholder Engagement, Policy Input
The GDC process was open but had some issues.
Supporting facts:
- The question about modalities has not been answered for two years
- Deep dives were cut in half, limiting the speaking time of stakeholders to three minutes and only allowing those present in New York to speak on consultations
Topics: GDC process, Stakeholder consultation
Report
The analysis explored various aspects of internet governance, with a particular focus on the involvement of the technical community. One of the key challenges discussed was network fragmentation, which has been an issue since the inception of the internet. The primary aim of the internet was to enable separate and fragmented networks to collaborate effectively.
Resilience and scalability were identified as the main objectives in the early stages of the internet's development. To address the problem of fragmentation, it was stressed that unified protocols, shared management of technical resources, and collaborative governance are essential for the proper functioning of the internet.
Efforts have been made to further unify network protocols, such as through the ITU's Network 2030 initiative. Furthermore, the speakers underscored the significance of the technical community in achieving policy objectives, highlighting the importance of effective cooperation between the technical community and governments.
The analysis also explored the role of the technical community in shaping the internet. The internet is defined by the IP addresses assigned by the Regional Internet Registry, as well as the trust placed in the root server system by end-users.
While different countries may have varied user experiences, it was noted that fragmentation and diversity can coexist as long as the middle technical layer functions effectively. In addition, it was emphasized that the technical community should actively engage with policy stakeholders and governments instead of remaining passive observers.
Their expertise and perspectives should be heard and considered in policy discussions to prevent the potential fragmentation of the internet. The analysis also highlighted the importance of the technical community's involvement in discussing the possible consequences of policy decisions relating to internet regulation.
The analysis further touched upon the changing demographics of negotiators since 2005, with a call for increased engagement and collaboration between the technical community and foreign ministries. It also emphasized the need for timely preparation for upcoming negotiations, the impact of language barriers and different perspectives in interactions between the technical community and policy makers, and the importance of coordinated stakeholder responses to public policy processes.
Overall, the analysis underlined the critical role of the technical community in internet governance. It highlighted the necessity for their active engagement with policy stakeholders and governments, as well as their contribution to discussions on potential policy consequences. The pursuit of unified protocols, shared governance, and collective action from diverse stakeholders were identified as crucial for the preservation and functionality of the internet.