(10th meeting) Reconvened concluding session of the Ad Hoc Committee to Elaborate a Comprehensive International Convention on Countering the Use of Information and Communications Technologies for Criminal Purposes

2 Aug 2024 15:00h - 18:00h

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Full session report

Progress on international convention to combat ICT misuse as ADO committee navigates complex discussions

The ADO committee’s session, chaired by Fawzia Mubaraki, focused on progressing the draft resolution for an international convention to counter the misuse of information and communications technologies. The committee had successfully concluded discussions on Paragraph 5 and, with consensus, delegated the vice-chair from Brazil to lead informal consultations over the weekend to resolve outstanding issues by Monday morning.

The session proceeded to Paragraph 6, which Canada recommended leaving open due to its connection with the process proposed for Paragraph 5. The committee concurred, demonstrating a willingness to work collaboratively. The Chair’s adept facilitation ensured all member states’ perspectives were considered, resulting in Paragraphs 7, 8, and 9 also being set aside for further discussion following contributions from Iran, Jamaica, and the Russian Federation.

A significant portion of the session was dedicated to debating Articles 14 and 16 of the draft resolution, which pertain to child sexual exploitation material and the dissemination of intimate images, respectively. Concerns were raised about the phrase “without right” in these articles, which some member states felt could potentially legitimise access to such material. A joint statement by the Syrian Arab Republic, on behalf of a group of countries, called for the removal of exceptions in these articles to ensure robust protection for children and adherence to international human rights standards.

The Chair’s leadership was instrumental in maintaining a constructive and positive atmosphere within the committee, despite the complexities of the topics and the diverse perspectives of member states. The Chair’s commitment to consensus-building was highlighted by the announcement of ongoing informal consultations, including bilateral and multilateral discussions, to address the open issues.

The session concluded with the Chair emphasizing the importance of submitting the final text of the convention for translation by Monday evening. The Chair’s closing remarks included a humorous comment on a linguistic misunderstanding, adding a moment of levity to the proceedings.

Overall, the session reflected the committee’s dedication to creating a comprehensive and universally acceptable convention. The discussions underscored the challenges of harmonising different legal systems and cultural values, while also showcasing the committee’s ability to navigate these challenges through diplomacy and collaboration. The commitment to protecting children in the digital age was a unifying factor, driving the committee’s efforts to reach a consensus that upholds international law and human rights.

Session transcript

Chair:
concluding session of the ADO committee in charge of elaborating a general international convention on countering the use of information and communications technologies. We will resume our work on the draft resolution. This morning we concluded with paragraph 5, which remained open, and with great pleasure the committee agreed that our vice chair on behalf of Brazil would begin informal consultations this afternoon and during the weekend in order to find a solution for Monday morning. So we’re going to look at paragraph 6 of the draft resolution. Are there any objections to adopting paragraph 6 at referendum?

Canada:
Thank you, Madam Chair. I think in our opinion this probably relates a bit in terms of OP5, and so it might be better to leave this one open because it has timing involved in it, which relates to the process that’s been proposed for OP5, so maybe it’s best to leave it open, but open to hear thoughts from the room as well.

Chair:
Would the Committee agree with that request from Canada to leave Paragraph 6 open? There’s no objection? Good. Then we’ll set aside Paragraph 6. Paragraph 7. Paragraph 7. Iran.

Iran:
Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Good afternoon. On this paragraph, I think our position is to stop this paragraph after good practices. There’s a last sentence here which requires ensuring synergies with relevant work carried out by other competent intergovernmental bodies. We’re not sure which countries would join this convention. We hope it could be universal. And we also do not know what sort of competent intergovernmental bodies it refers to. It’s quite ambiguous. And it’s not clear whether these intergovernmental bodies would comprise the same countries that would be party to this convention. Prejudging this process, I think, is not an appropriate step forward. If we want to have any synergy with any competent intergovernmental body, I think we should leave it for the conference of state parties to do that. And it’s better not to prejudge this from the General Assembly while the convention has not yet entered into force. So our proposal, once again, is to delete the last sentence, starting with and to ensure, which practically means we stop this paragraph after good practices. Thank you.

Chair:
Merci beaucoup. Thank you very much. Jamaica?

Jamaica:
Thank you, Madam Chair. In respect of paragraph seven, to maintain consistency with Article 57, subparagraph 5B of the Convention. We propose the inclusion of the words, and I quote, legal policy, comma, and, end quote, before technological developments to bring both provisions in line. Thank you.

Chair:
Could you repeat that, please? Repeat your proposal slowly.

Jamaica:
Right before technological developments, that you include legal, comma, policy, comma, and. So it would be legal, policy, sorry, legal policy and technological developments. Thank you.

Chair:
Thank you, Jamaica. Russian Federation.

Russian Federation:
Thank you very much, Chair. On paragraph 7 of the draft resolution, essentially we don’t have any objections, because we haven’t yet got a final understanding on the name of the convention. We would like to reserve our position on the use of the term cybercrime in this paragraph. I’d also like to recall that we submitted to the Secretary a proposal on PP and two OPs. So would you like to put that on the screen as well? Thank you very much.

Chair:
Merci. Thank you. Are there any other speakers? No other speakers? Well, it’s clear that paragraph 7 is not quite ready. We’re going to set it aside for now.

Iran:
On Paragraph 8, we have still internal discussions on how we would like to approach the topic of Secretariat for this convention. So we humbly request that we keep this paragraph open. Thank you.

Chair:
Thank you. We’ll move on to Paragraph 9. Paragraph 9.

Iran:
Thank you very much, Madam Chair. On this paragraph, we have, just similar to Paragraph 8, regarding, I think it’s fifth line to discharge the functions of the Secretariat, we are still having the same conversation and discussions, as I mentioned, regarding Paragraph 8. So we also humbly request that the discussion be kept open for Paragraph 9 as well. Thank you.

Chair:
Any other requests for the floor on this paragraph? Paragraph 9, that is. We’ll leave that open then. Paragraph 10. Paragraph 10. Any objections to adopting Ad Ref, Paragraph 10? agreed at the referendum. Paragraph 11 now. As you can see in paragraph 11, there’s a date that’s still in brackets, so I would ask to think about a possible date for this. The Secretariat informed us regarding the adoption for the dates on transnational organised crime, but they kept the date here for the date of the adoption by the General Assembly, but it’s up to us at the Committee to decide. If there’s an agreement within the Committee on a date, then we can insert that. If not, we can also then ask for the date of the adoption by the GA to be inserted there. That could be a solution, and we’d then be doing the same as CAC and UNTOC. Bien. Very well. Well, we’ve concluded our work on the resolution. There’s still quite a few sections that are still open. I will continue to work, as you know. I have to undertake all necessary efforts so that we can reach consensus. It’s actually, indeed, the resolution 725282 that tells me to do so. So, the chair has to make every effort to reach this, which is what we’re currently doing because there are various vice-chairs. We’ve got three vice-chairs and other colleagues also who have been given the task of leading informal consultations. I’m myself holding bilateral informal consultations on some parts of the text. Well, we could find a rapid solution for those. So, all that to say the following, you’ll remember that the methodology that we approved, according to that, we were supposed to finish this afternoon. And then I would then send the final text to the secretariat, the final text of the convention this evening at 6 p.m. As you know, we haven’t yet concluded our exploration of all the different possibilities of negotiation on that. So, we are currently finalising that, as I said. There’s a few informal discussions that are still ongoing, bilateral ones, multilateral ones. And this morning, we asked our colleague from Brazil to lead another batch of consultations on paragraph 9 of the resolution. So, as we still have quite a few paragraphs still open, we’re going to conclude informal consultations this evening and then over the weekend. And then Monday morning, the different facilitators will come here to the podium and they will present the outcomes of their informal consultations. And if there are any paragraphs that have been agreed upon, we’ll adopt them, as we’ve just done for a couple here, ad ref, the way agreed, ad ref. so that then I can then on Monday 6 p.m. I can then submit the final text of the Convention. So, to be clear, of course, the final text will take into account everything that’s been agreed ad ref. For the parts that are still open, then that’ll be the text that I submitted at the resumed session, because then there’s no surprises. Just to be clear on that, I repeat, the text that I will submit on Monday 6 p.m. to the Secretariat to allow for translation to be carried out into the six official languages, this will be the text agreed ad ref, all of the articles and paragraphs that were agreed ad ref. Regarding the parts that don’t yet enjoy consensus, these parts will be, I will take the current parts that are currently contained in the current updated draft. That’s for your information. So, Monday morning, we’ll start by hearing from the facilitators. One by one, we’ll hear what they’ve managed to achieve. I will also provide you with an update, where we are, and what the rest of the week will look like. And then, step by step, together, we’ll decide all together. We will make or take all decisions necessary which will allow us to arrive at consensus. So, voila, that’s all I had to say to you for now. We’ll stop here. can start your consultations. I’ll be in my office, so if anyone wants to come by you’re very welcome. I already have meetings planned over the weekend, unfortunately, Saturday and Sunday, but that’s how it goes. What happens when you’re a chair? A chair needs to spare no effort to ensure that consensus is reached. So, thanks very much. Unless you have any other statements to make? The United Arab Emirates, followed by Russia? No, first Russia, then the UAE. Russia, you have the floor.

Russian Federation:
Thank you, Chair. Did I understand correctly that now we’re going to stop our work and then we’ll pick up again on Monday? Yes. Well, in that case, I would like to request that we look at Article 27 as a whole in the text of the Convention. Russia, in its statement, drew attention to the fact that this could pose a threat to extraterritoriality, so I would ask you, Chair, when you’re working on the new version, to take Russia’s request into account on that. Also, one point, and I’d like to also draw – I’d like to, for three, four minutes for delegates’ time, I understand that for some delegations, any proposal, if it’s from Russia, can be taken as a toxic, seen as toxic, but once again, I would like to appeal to the common sense of delegates on some of the terminology. We’ve spoken about this because that has been discussed around several times. Russia proposed to include in Article 3, 33 and 35, a provision on this. for the understanding of investigation, what that means, so that it also includes the understanding of putting a stop to this. But there are various terms in English. It could be suppression, frustration, the idea of putting an end to this anyway. So I would ask delegates to approach this from a point of view of common sense. It’s the simplest. It’s easy to stop a crime before it’s been committed. On that, I’d like to ask the Chair and also draw attention to this proposal from Russia. Russia is very much ready to engage in further bilateral and multilateral consultations on this, to try and find a wording that means that we can allow that this idea is ultimately included in the Convention. Thank you.

Chair:
Thank you, Russia. As far as I understand, Article 27 is one of the articles that are under informal consultations with the Vice-Chair from Australia. So I would invite you to reach out to the representative of Australia to ask where we are on this issue. But you’re also participating in these informal consultations as well. I’d like to say one thing also, because we do have some time still. I don’t think there’s any negative intentions here. I think whatever every state and representative says, I never take it against myself or against anybody else. I think we’ve succeeded on one thing at least. It’s to ensure that altogether that we have the best possible atmosphere here, which has allowed us to make progress, to work, without having to take too much into account of the poor relations between some states and the various conflicts in the world. Together, we here have been able to show common sense. work together in a constructive way. Every face that I can see here, every face that I’ve seen throughout the process, some people are just joining us now here, but everyone has been engaging in the process in good faith. Everyone’s here, they’re engaged, they’re working in good faith. I don’t see any sort of ill intentions or provocations, which I’d like to thank you for that. You’ve managed, the committee has managed to create a positive atmosphere and that’s something that’s really important. I just wanted to highlight that. Now I’ll give the floor to the UAE and then the Syrian Arab Republic and Australia. The UAE, you have the floor.

United Arab Emirates:
Madam Chair, with regards to unlawful access, there was some disagreement regarding the second part. We have consulted and we have no problem with leaving this paragraph as it is without any deletion or modification.

Chair:
Yes, indeed. I would like us to do a final reading on Monday morning so then we can run through the whole text on Monday morning with the facilitators here. Well, in any case, the articles that are still pending. So I’d prefer actually that we leave that for the time being, or leave the time being those articles that are still pending and we’ll look at them Monday morning with the vice-chairs and facilitators here. We need to leave enough time for each of these things. But as you’re right, we’re very close to adopting this famous Article 7. The Syrian Arab Republic.

Syrian Arab Republic:
Thank you, Madam Chair. My delegation wishes to deliver the following statement, joint statement, on behalf of a group of countries regarding both Articles 15 and 16. I have the honour to deliver this statement on behalf of Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Burkina Faso, Egypt, Indonesia, the Islamic Republic of Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Libya, Mali, Mauritania, Morocco, Nicaragua, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, the Russian Federation, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates, Yemen, and my country, the Syrian Arab Republic. I would like to express our sincere gratitude and appreciation for the wise leadership and effort exerted by Her Excellency Ambassador Fawzia Mubaraki, Chair of the Ad Hoc Committee, and to the Secretariat for all the efforts made in convening this meeting. And with your indulgence, we’d like to reiterate our view regarding Articles 14 and 16 as following. Madam Chair, the current formulation of Article 14.3 could limit criminalization of child sexual exploitation online to contend depicting a real child. Such formulation may exclude animations, cartoons, or other visual representations of child sexual exploitation. The present formulation would defeat the very purpose sought in elaboration of the Convention and inclusion of Article 14 in the Convention, since it would create exceptions in fighting this crime, we should also take into account that artificial intelligence is increasingly misused by criminals, including for child sexual exploitation. It should be noted also that term without right in Paragraph 1 is contrary to the purpose of the Article 14, since the latter would indicate as if there could be a right to access child sexual exploitation material. This would undermine countering the use of ICT for criminal purposes and international cooperation in this area. There is no right to engage in the child sexual exploitation or to normalize such conduct. Madam Chair, distinguished colleagues, on Article 14.4a, while we could be flexible on having provisions excluding criminalization of children under domestic laws, we see merits in having a clause emphasizing the discretion of states for establishing corrective or rehabilitative measures. This is important. This way, we could ensure that our children are protected from harmful behavior, which might lead to other victimization by criminals too. Nonetheless, we could not accept subparagraph b. as it runs counter to our domestic laws. Now I would like to turn to Article 16. The future Convention, as an international legal framework on combating the use of information and communication for criminal purposes, should indeed have due regard to the differences among various domestic legal systems. It should not opt for the imposing of legal theories of specific legal frameworks on domestic legal systems that adopt a broader approach in countering dissemination of intimate images and related issues. It is necessary to formulate the Article in a manner that would more clearly be consistent with the domestic laws of countries, including those of our grouping, related to criminalization of the publication of intimate images and obscene material, whether with or without consent of the parties involved. This is necessary to preserve order and public morals consistent with social, normal, and values which might vary by context. It also could provide broader acceptance of the Convention globally. It is also important to delete the phrase without right from this Article as well. For similar reasons that we have mentioned in Article 14. In conclusion, having said that, our proposal is to be added as Article 16.5 is as following. Nothing in this article shall prejudice criminalization of the dissension of intimate images under domestic law of state parties. That’s the end. This formulation allows for latitude for domestic legal systems without undermining the purposes of this article. Madam Chair, I thank you.

Chair:
Merci beaucoup. Thank you very much. Australia, you have the floor.

Australia:
Thank you so much, Madam Chair. I just wanted to come in to note and to thank our Russian colleague for noting Article 27. This is an article that I believe has been agreed at referendum and so it was not assigned to my small group, Informal, to continue to discuss. I am very willing to take it on if you so agree, but I think it’s a conversation more for the room and for you to determine whether or not we want to be discussing agreed-ad-ref text in informal negotiations. Separately, the Chair is about to give us an early mark, but I am not. If you want to talk more about any of the proposals that were circulated by the Secretariat this afternoon from the small group, particularly around Article 36 on data protection, please come and join me in a room to be determined shortly once the Secretariat tells me. I haven’t asked them yet. We will continue discussions this afternoon. Thank you so much.

Chair:
Thank you very much. Article 27 was part of the package that was being facilitated by you when we looked at the text at the sixth session. That’s why I mentioned you actually. on Article 27, I do remember, so I would officially ask you, if you wouldn’t mind, to include Article 27 in the articles that are still open to be facilitated and coordinated. Thank you very much. Secretariat, you’re trying to find a room for Brioni, so the informals can continue. Rwanda, you have the floor.

Rwanda:
Thank you, Madam Chair, for the continuous efforts invested into reaching a consensus on various contested articles of the draft Convention. In the spirit of reaching a consensus, Rwanda generally supports the proposed changes as suggested by SETS here present, except for Article 14 of the UDTC. Although Rwanda agrees with the indispensable nature of Article 14 and the rationale behind its inclusion, which was to protect children against offences related to online child sexual abuse or child sexual exploitation material, however, we should note some of the problematic issues of Article 14, Paragraph 1, which may fall short of compliance with international law and civil human rights instruments. If we take a look at Article 3 within the Convention on the Rights of the Child, which states that in all actions concerning children, whether undertaken by public or private social welfare institutions, courts of law, administrative authorities, or legislative bodies, the best interest of the child shall be a primary consideration. Similarly, Paragraph 2 of the same Article 3 gives obligation to states to create legislation that supports these provisions at domestic and international level. Madam Chair, international law is a powerful conduit for combating cyber crimes and crimes committed through the use of an information and communications technology system, the most reputable instrument being the CRC in regard to children, which has set the course. for how to define, prevent, and legislate matters related to children. Madam Chair, therefore, the words without right in this article in paragraph one can be perceived as creating legal gaps for impunity. Since none of the words in paragraph one could in principle be done without right, or could be done with right, and the exceptions for law enforcement necessities would be adequately covered by the term intentionally or by the general principles of domestic law. In other words, we want to say that no one has a right to commit crime. This similarly applies to material that has scientific, medical, artistic, or other legitimate purposes. Rwanda, therefore, strongly suggests the deletion of the word without right because it provides state parties a degree of flexibility that would establish impunity and immunity by abusing professional prelogatives or human rights aimed at the deliberate commission of the acts prohibited in paragraph one without pursuing a legitimate but a sexual purpose. We should not wait to subject those who may abuse the prelogatives to a judicial proceeding by a competent authority established by law because the convention does not only aim at punishing but has also to serve a preventive purpose. It would be visible to anyone that among the drafters of the convention, law enforcement took the upper hand in ensuring auto-protection according itself privileges contravening international laws and auto-protection from prosecution. As we come to the end, we would say that the provision as it stands is not only ambiguous but provides a leeway and permissiveness for an undefined group to be eligible to abuse of the said provision because the list of those with rights has not been explicitly enumerated or defined by the UDTC. In a nutshell, the word without right defeats the whole purpose of the provision by creating immunity and impunity, as already said, for an undefined group of persons which may favor those with illegitimate purposes, but also with those with evil motives against children, a vulnerable group for such dehumanizing crimes of a sexual nature. While the intention behind its inclusion was to safeguard children from online child sexual abuse and exploitation, it is essential to ensure that any legal provisions align with international human rights standards. As we deliberate, let’s consider how to harmonize these principles effectively. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Chair:
Thank you very much. Iran, you have the floor.

Iran:
Thank you very much, Madam Chair. We align ourselves with the statement delivered by the distinguished representative of the Syrian Arab Republic on behalf of a group of countries, and I believe we have duly reflected our position regarding Article 14 and 16 in the previous sessions. We would like to provide more specific details and argue on these articles with your indulgence. We all know that perpetrators are increasingly misuse ICT, including to commit egregious crimes against children, including to engage in child sexual exploitation. And I believe the very rationale for considering this matter in the present draft convention is to respond to this criminal phenomenon, to collectively fight against this horrendous crime and to protect our children. But the current formulation of Article 14 does not correspond and commensurate with this highly important goal. Article 14, paragraph 3, might allow a state party to derogate from its obligations to counter such heinous crime when the subject of the material is not a real person. This runs counter to the purpose of this article. The use of new technologies has brought about various forms of child sexual exploitation. By way of example, misuse of artificial intelligence to produce such material are becoming more pervasive. Cases have been brought in various countries where the defendant has superimposed images creating morphed materials that are not real because they represent different persons but are no different from a real content. Given the rapid advancement of ICT, the scale and intensity of such criminal behavior is expected to exponentially increase both in terms of form, medium, and content. Ignoring this eminent threat to our children runs afoul of the numerous positions reiterated in this meeting that this convention should withstand the test of time. If the main goal is to protect our children, then the artificial distinction between real and non-real material would only be superfluous since there exists no difference on the very detrimental impact that such material has on our children and society. Non-real material depicting child sexual exploitation entices perpetrators to commit sexual exploitation against children, expressly legitimizing the production, selling, dissemination, or otherwise making available such material normalize this heinous crime. Non-real materials demonstrating child sexual exploitation are indeed conducive to perpetration of such crimes and could be considered also as root causes of commission of unspeakable crimes against children. In the light of the foregoing, we continue to oppose any exception in fighting child sexual exploitation. The strong message of full protection of our children in the face of criminals is a must. We should not opt for less. Madam Chair, the future convention as the first ever international legal framework on combating the use of ICT for criminal purposes should indeed have due regard to the differences among various… It should not choose for imposing legal theories of specific legal frameworks on domestic legal systems that adopt a broader approach in countering dissemination of intimate images and obscene material. The present language contained in Article 16 prejudices the domestic laws of many countries while reflecting the legal approach of a limited number of countries. Thus, we fully support the proposal made on behalf of a group of countries by the Distinguished Representative of the Syrian Arab Republic. Just to be more exact, Madam Chair, on Article 14, we continue to oppose the term without right in Paragraph 1 for the reason that was explained also by the Distinguished Delegate of Rwanda. We believe there is no such right to commit any sort of child sexual exploitation. On Subparagraph 3, we continue to oppose and request its deletion. And on Subparagraph 4, while we could be flexible in having a general provision regarding exclusion of certain materials that are created self-generated by children, we think that there is merit in having corrective and rehabilitative measures in place. Therefore, while we continue to oppose Subparagraph B of Paragraph 4, we propose to add the following provision at the end of Subparagraph A of Paragraph 4. That would be read as this. However, a state party may adopt corrective and rehabilitative measures with respect to the conducts referred to in Paragraph 5, 4 of this article, in accordance with its domestic laws. On Article 16, we also, for the same reason, would like to see without right deleted in Paragraph 1. We continue to oppose Paragraph 3. And we fully support, as I mentioned, the proposal of the Syrian Arab Republic. on behalf of several delegations, regarding having a provision that would be more consistent with domestic laws of many countries, including my own. I thank you, Madam Chair.

Chair:
Thank you very much, Iraq.

Iraq:
Thank you, Madam Chair. At the outset, my country’s delegation wishes to extend to you our great appreciation, and we thank your team for the efforts made to pave the way for consensus. As we are addressing contentious articles, we wish to express our full support to the statement made by the distinguished delegate of the Syrian Arab Republic on behalf of a number of states, including Iraq. We support all the justifications that were mentioned. And if we truly want to reach a universal convention, I stress that we must ensure that all of our considerations are taken into account. The needs and demands of some states cannot be heeded while the demands of others are simply not. Therefore, we seek a universal text that we all agree on. At the same time, there is a need to take into account legal considerations as well as traditions and customs of all states. Any selectiveness in this regard cannot be applied to this convention. The text must be agreed upon by all. Therefore, the needed protection must be provided for children, taking into account national needs as well as the provisions of local legislations. Of all states, therefore, we call upon all member states to ensure consensus and to take into account the statement that has been made so that we can address all of our concerns. Thank you.

Chair:
Thank you. Before giving the floor to China and then Pakistan and then Mauritania, I would like to announce to the member states that our dear colleague, the Vice-Chair of Australia, will hold informal consultations in Conference Room E. So those who are interested in joining the group will be in that room, Conference Room E, to take part to help to find a solution to the articles that are pending. And she is in charge of that task. Thank you very much. China.

China:
Thank you, Madam Chair. The microphone for the speaker, please. Thank you, Madam Chair. With regard to Articles 14 and 16 of the Draft Convention, China thanks the efforts of the distinguished Vice-Chair of Nigeria. China thanks the joint statement made by the distinguished representative of the Syrian delegation that the Convention should effectively combat child pornography offences and fully protect the rights and interests of children in cyberspace. In fact, Article 2 of the Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on the Sale of Children, Child Prostitution and Child Pornography contains clear provisions on child pornography. And Article 3 further stipulates that the production, distribution, transmission, import, export, sale, marketing, or possession of child pornography should be punishable by appropriate penalties. China is of the view that in combating child pornography, the Convention should be consistent with the Convention on the Rights of the Child and its protocols and should provide strong guidelines for combating child pornography from the perspective of affording maximum protection to the rights and interests of children. With regard to Article 16 of the draft Convention, as China has stressed on many previous occasions, although for the time being there’s no criminalization provision in Chinese domestic law that corresponds to that particular article, in order to promote the conclusion of the Convention, China has demonstrated great flexibility with regard to that article. We also call on all countries to exercise goodwill and leave room for different countries to apply this article in accordance with their own national realities and legal provisions. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Chair:
Thank you, Pakistan, and then Mauritania.

Pakistan:
Thank you very much, Madam Chair, for giving me the floor. Pakistan aligns itself with the statement delivered by a distinguished delegate of Syria on behalf of a number of countries which Pakistan has already joined. Madam Chair, the protection of children is a collective interest of all, and we believe that no exception in this regard is acceptable. However, the current draft of Article 14 includes elements like without right in paragraph 1, which has already been explained in detail by a distinguished delegate of Rwanda and other speakers before me. and the limitation imposed on the child’s sexual abuse material reflected in Paragraph 3 to a real child only and the exception allocated for consensual relationship or obscene material kept for private use are all non-acceptable. This to us is a deviation from CRC and OPSC, both in terms of scope and limitations. And we would urge the current proposal to be drafted in a manner that is acceptable to all and in line with our international obligations. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Chair:
Thank you, Mauritania.

Mauritania:
Thank you, Madam Chair. Good evening, everyone. We wish to extend our support to the Distinguished Representative of the Syrian Arab Republic. We support the statement made on behalf of a number of states, including Mauritania. In our national capacity, we stress the need to take into account what the statement has included, including observations on Articles 14 and 16, namely the need to ensure real protection to the child and the need to put an end to any exemptions to these provisions that have been included in these two Articles. We stress once again the importance of the observations provided by the Distinguished Representative of Rwanda on the mention of without right. We once again stress the importance of taking this into account and we align ourselves with the Distinguished Representative’s statement. Thank you.

Chair:
After that overview on Articles 14 and 16, I would like to begin by deeply thanking my brother and vice chair from Nigeria for having agreed to facilitate the informal consultations with the delegations concerned. I would strongly encourage him to continue. I support him with all of my power to try to reach a consensus. George, it’s the most difficult thing. I believe that everyone will recognize that Articles 14 and 16 are the most difficult ones. And so please continue your efforts. I will be there with you in the course of the weekend. We will try to find a solution which could allow the 22 countries listed here announced by the representative of Syria, which would allow them to join the consensus. So thank you very much. I see that there’s another request for the floor from the representative of the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

Democratic Republic of the Congo:
Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Thank you for giving me the floor. We have listened closely to the reactions of the different states, and we would like to issue our point of view as well in the following terms. The enjoyment of a right should not, in principle, be a collective clash of opinion. And the respect for that collective opinion, which is built on the basis of societal values, is part of the observation of the human nature by a people. A group of states should not place a… Among human rights, content according to their societal practices, which are sometimes contrary to the practices of other states, which you also have to respect. And making general rules that everyone must respect, what’s even worse is trying to impose it on others. The use of the term without right, used in paragraph 1 of articles 14 and 16, as well as in paragraph 3 of article 16, is therefore extremely dangerous for the interest of the child. Children certainly have rights, rights which are protected by the convention that was mentioned by those who spoke before me, and we are all working to ensure that that right will continue to be protected and secured within our respective states. And along those same lines, some initiatives have been taken at the level of certain states in terms of making the law of the child in line with domestic legislation. The exceptions introduced in article 14 and 16 must be deleted for the superior interest of the child. It’s true that today we think that leaving this gap open to allow children to be able to agree to images – I’m going to give you an example to facilitate the understanding of what I say. Children have a right to freedom of movement in that home. They do whatever they want, but when we see children exercise their right to movement in the household, and when there are electric wires in front of them. Do we let children have freedom of movement in that situation? Do we allow them to touch the electrical wires? We wouldn’t do that. And so I think that we are calling upon the state parties to have the same attitude. We would add our voice to those of Syria and Egypt and many other states that have taken a stand along the same lines. Thank you very much.

Chair:
Thank you very much, Russian Federation, then Brazil.

Russian Federation:
Thank you, Madam Chair. We want to reiterate our support for the Syrian statement that was supported by a group of states, and we want to stress that those states that have adopted the statement have expressed much flexibility and a willingness to reach consensus, and we urge other states who have concerns with regard to these articles to express the same flexibility. Thank you.

Chair:
Merci beaucoup, le Brésil. Thank you, Brazil.

Brazil:
Thank you very much, Chair. Just a quick note on national capacity regarding the discussions on Article 14 and 16. These have been very much complex, and we’ve been working a lot under the able hands of Vice Chair George, and we appreciate his efforts. And it does seem to us that however difficult this has been, we did take some, however small, we did take some steps forward on trying to bridge the different perspectives and wishes and goals and cultural values in these past two days. including regarding what was mentioned here, the specific points. So we are at your hands and we will continue to make efforts on trying to bridge, not impose national values on any group of countries, and trying to bridge those into language that can be adopted by consensus. Thank you.

Chair:
Merci beaucoup. Thank you very much. Well, that’s what I was told in any case. I saw the results of the work within the informal consultations. We will take stock of this on Monday morning, as I said, once and for all. As I told you as well, on Monday at 6 p.m. I will submit to the Secretary the final text, and that would be for translation in the six official languages of the United Nations. Thank you very much. Just to laugh a bit, because sometimes we need a bit of humor. I saw in the statement read out by the Syrian Arab Republic that I changed gender. Well, in Arabic we don’t say, Madam Chair, you say Mr. Chair. Even if it’s a woman here, I’m a Fawzi. Well, just to laugh, just to inject a bit of humor. I changed my gender for certain countries. I am Mr. Fawzi. Thank you very much. Have a good weekend.

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