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WSIS+20 in Action: Implementation, Cooperation and Review – Part II

8 speakers
Summary

This discussion, moderated by Deniz Susar of UN DESA, focused on the development of a roadmap for WSIS Action Line C11 (international and regional cooperation), exploring how it can improve coherence across the growing number of overlapping UN digital governance processes . Susar noted that whilst the original C11 mandate from 2003 remains relevant, the landscape has become significantly more complex, with multiple parallel processes including the IGF, the Global Digital Compact, the Multi-stakeholder Forum on Science, Technology and Innovation for the Sustainable Development Goals (STI Forum), and new AI governance mechanisms now operating simultaneously . Key upcoming milestones include the IGF in Nairobi, the GDC review during the UN's 82nd General Assembly session in 2027, and the broader post-2030 agenda discussions .

Philipp Schulte argued that the WSIS mandate is the most comprehensive and overarching UN framework for digital cooperation, and that the roadmaps represent an opportunity for UN agencies to recalibrate their priorities, and align with newer mandates such as the GDC . Paulina Ibarra called for a shift from rhetorical commitments to operational reality, emphasising the need for cross-border platform accountability, direct pipelines from national and regional IGFs into formal GDC review mechanisms, and traceable feedback loops within UN DESA . Sophia Longwe highlighted the growing fragmentation of AI governance dialogues and the exclusion of civil society from core decision-making spaces, stressing that C11 should prioritise institutional coherence, meaningful participation, and strengthened implementation capacity for existing institutions like the IGF .

Robert Lisinge described how the Economic Commission for Africa has developed an indicative regional roadmap clustering WSIS+20 outcomes into nine thematic pillars with 15 priority indicators, aligned with the GDC, SDGs, and African Union Agenda 2063, underscoring that capacity building and alignment across frameworks are essential C11 priorities . Anriette Esterhuysen cautioned against purely mechanical matrix-based approaches, proposing instead that each action line roadmap address substantive thematic headings from the WSIS outcome document and adopt outcome-oriented indicators rather than simple proxy measures such as the number of NRIs .

Overall, participants converged on the need for C11 to serve as a practical instrument for reducing duplication, strengthening multi-stakeholder participation, and connecting global commitments to regional and national implementation, with the 2027 CSTD presentation of the roadmap identified as a critical opportunity to demonstrate progress .

Keypoints
  • Overall Purpose

  • The discussion centres on shaping the roadmap for WSIS Action Line C11 (International and Regional Cooperation), which is being developed for presentation to the Commission on Science and Technology for Development (CSTD) in 2027. Participants were invited to share what they would like to see included in this roadmap and how C11 can help improve coherence across the growing number of overlapping UN digital governance processes. ---
  • Major Discussion Points

  • Fragmentation and duplication across UN digital governance processes: A recurring concern throughout the session was the proliferation of parallel and overlapping digital governance mechanisms - including WSIS, the IGF, the Global Digital Compact (GDC), the STI Forum, and new AI governance processes - which may create confusion, as well as potential inefficiency and exclusion, particularly for civil society and developing countries. Speakers called for better coordination rather than the creation of new processes.
  • The C11 roadmap as a tool for coherence, prioritisation, and accountability: Multiple speakers emphasised that the roadmap should not be a mechanical tick-box exercise but a genuine opportunity for UN agencies to recalibrate their priorities, communicate their work clearly to member states, and align with broader frameworks such as the SDGs, the GDC, and the African Union's Agenda 2063. Concrete, outcome-oriented targets were preferred over purely quantitative proxy indicators.
  • Meaningful multi-stakeholder participation, especially for civil society: Several speakers, particularly from civil society, highlighted that engagement in these processes often feels performative, with civil society relegated to side events and parallel tracks rather than being integrated into core decision-making. The roadmap should move beyond symbolic consultations and ensure marginalised communities have genuine influence.
  • Bridging global commitments with regional and national implementation: A significant gap was identified between high-level international agreements and their translation into actionable national policies. Regional bodies such as the UN Economic Commission for Africa (ECA) play a critical role in this translation, and the roadmap should support capacity building, alignment with regional frameworks, and clearer reporting mechanisms to avoid burdening member states with duplicative requirements.
  • Developing meaningful indicators and measurement frameworks: There was broad agreement that measuring progress under C11 requires outcome-oriented indicators rather than simple proxy measures such as the number of National and Regional IGF Initiatives (NRIs). Indicators should reflect whether cooperation is leading to more inclusive policymaking and tangible implementation at national and regional levels.
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  • Overall Tone

  • The overall tone of the discussion was constructive, collaborative, and candid. Participants shared a genuine sense of urgency about the need to improve coherence in the digital governance landscape, and there was broad consensus on the core challenges. The opening remarks were informative and framing-oriented , while panellists grew progressively more direct and specific in their critiques - particularly regarding the performative nature of civil society engagement . Towards the end of the session, the tone became more solution-focused and pragmatic, with speakers offering concrete proposals for the roadmap and indicators . There was no significant conflict or disagreement, though Dr. Xiao Zhang offered a gentle caution against over-relying on scientific advisory groups , adding a note of nuance.
Speakers Overview
DS
Deniz Susar
131 wpm · 17 min
PS
Philipp Schulte
146 wpm · 7 min
PI
Paulina Ibarra
130 wpm · 4 min
DX
Dr. Xiao Zhang
151 wpm · 4 min
SL
Sophia Longwe
160 wpm · 7 min
AE
Anriette Esterhuysen
157 wpm · 4 min
RL
Robert Lisinge
116 wpm · 7 min
A
Audience
155 wpm · 4 min

Expanded Summary: WSIS Action Line C11 - International and Regional Cooperation Roadmap Session

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Session Overview and Framing

This session, moderated by Deniz Susar of UN DESA, focused on the development of a roadmap for WSIS Action Line C11 on international and regional cooperation, which is being prepared for presentation to the Commission on Science and Technology for Development (CSTD) in 2027 . Susar opened by contextualising the original C11 mandate, which was written in 2003 and focused on ICT projects, development assistance, public-private partnerships, and mainstreaming ICTs in international and regional organisations . Whilst that mandate remains relevant, Susar noted that the context has changed dramatically . Today, the digital governance landscape encompasses the WSIS Forum, the Internet Governance Forum (IGF), the Global Digital Compact (GDC), the STI Forum, the UN Group on Information Society, new AI governance processes including the global dialogue on AI governance and the independent international scientific panel on AI, and numerous other coordination mechanisms .

To illustrate the coordination challenge concretely, Susar recounted a telling anecdote: whilst conducting a capacity-building workshop on the use of AI in public administration in a country in the Middle East, she discovered that across the room - organised by the same ministry - another UN agency was running a similar session simultaneously. This vivid example of duplication underscored the urgency of the consolidation challenge she went on to articulate.

Against this backdrop, Susar reoriented the discussion away from the conventional impulse to create new institutional structures, framing the central challenge as one of consolidation rather than proliferation: "The question is not how to create another process, but it's about maybe how to merge everything or how to bring together everything" . She asked how C11 could help improve coherence, how these processes could speak to each other more effectively, how duplication could be avoided as member states repeatedly request in various resolutions, and how the system could be made easier to follow for member states and stakeholders . She also highlighted key upcoming milestones, including the next IGF from 14 to 18 December in Nairobi, the GDC review during the UN's 82nd General Assembly session beginning in September 2027 and continuing until September 2028, and the broader post-2030 agenda discussions . The GDC review was described as particularly significant given that it will coincide with a period of transition as a new Secretary-General takes office, providing member states with an opportunity to assess what has worked and to consider which arrangements should continue, evolve, or be restructured .

Susar also noted that the WSIS Plus 20 outcome document had asked all WSIS action lines to prepare roadmaps, and that the roadmap for C11 is currently being developed . She invited panellists and participants to share what they would like to see in the roadmap and, more specifically, how C11 can help improve coherence across the growing number of overlapping processes . She also flagged that gender equality, human rights, and measurable indicators are among the elements that member states have specifically requested be included .

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Philipp Schulte (Germany): Roadmaps as Strategic Recalibration Tools

Philipp Schulte, Senior Policy Officer at Germany's Federal Ministry for Digital Transformation and Government Modernisation, offered a historically grounded perspective on the WSIS mandate. He argued that WSIS is the oldest and most comprehensive UN mandate for digital work, and that C11 in particular represents the overarching mandate for UN agencies to work on digital cooperation . However, he noted that during the build-up to the WSIS Plus 20 review, both member states and UN agencies recognised that this steering role had been "a bit overlooked" - it was not always clear how the original WSIS mandate, and especially the action lines, still steered the work of the UN . The idea of roadmaps, which Germany and other EU member states, working with the European Commission, had proposed in a non-paper at the very beginning of the WSIS Plus 20 negotiations, was conceived as a response to this gap .

Schulte argued that the roadmaps represent a genuine opportunity for UN agencies to recalibrate their priorities, align with newer mandates such as the GDC and various ECOSOC and ITU resolutions, and communicate their work more clearly - not only to member states but also internally and to the broader public . He was emphatic that this should not be treated as an extra bureaucratic burden but as a chance to streamline work and demonstrate relevance. He also introduced a longer-term strategic horizon, arguing that WSIS had historically been "put in a box" and was never well connected to the broader UN development agenda, but that this must change . With the 2030 deadline approaching and the UN80 reform process underway, he argued that the roadmaps offer a window of opportunity for agencies to prepare for the post-2030 agenda and to show member states how they deliver on UNAT commitments within the realm of digital cooperation .

Schulte was also concrete about what good roadmap design looks like in practice. Rather than producing broad, generic mandates, he argued that roadmaps should include specific, regionally differentiated targets with defined timeframes - for example, committing to increase the number of Internet Exchange Points in Eastern Africa by a specific number within two years . Such concrete deliverables, he argued, are what member states can understand, hold agencies accountable for, and report back on. He also stressed that priorities should be developed with multi-stakeholder input, acknowledging that different situations in East Africa, Eastern Europe, and South America will require different prioritisations .

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Paulina Ibarra (Fundación Multitudes): From Rhetorical Commitments to Operational Reality

Paulina Ibarra, Executive Director of Fundación Multitudes and a member of the IGF's Multistakeholder Advisory Group (MAG), opened her contribution with a direct challenge to the tendency of high-level UN processes to produce eloquent text without tangible follow-through: "We need to start moving away from rhetorical commitments and start working on operational reality" . She described the IGF as the practical space designed to bridge UN mandates with actual execution - "the tissue, basically, that connects government, civil society, technical expertise, and the private sector as equal partners" - and argued that this unique quality must be preserved and strengthened .

Ibarra grounded her argument in a concrete regional example. Working in Latin America, her NGO focuses on specific dangerous digital trends, particularly those affecting women . Because these operations use cross-border digital infrastructure, isolated national policies simply do not work, unlike in the EU . This led her to argue that Action Line C11 on regional cooperation is "a matter of democratic resilience and not just a policy line" .

She proposed three concrete actions for the C11 roadmap. First, cross-border platform accountability must be enforced: voluntary corporate guardrails are no longer sufficient, and regional frameworks under C11 must push for mandatory human rights due diligence and algorithmic transparency across the entire technology lifecycle, including in local non-English-speaking markets . Second, the pipeline between local data and global tracking must be fixed: local civil society organisations are the first responders to digital harms, but their insights rarely change global compliance, and the C11 architecture needs to incorporate a direct formal line from national and regional IGFs into formal review mechanisms of the GDC and CSTD . Third, traceable feedback loops must be established within UN DESA so that when regional stakeholders invest time and resources in reporting digital rights violations or consulting on policy, there is a visible record showing how that input influences international policy priorities or platform oversight . She concluded by calling for "more accountable co-governance" and explicitly rejecting "endless listening sessions" .

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Dr. Xiao Zhang (Technical Community, MAG Member): Evolving Mandates and Minimal Shared Principles

Dr. Xiao Zhang, originally from government and now with the technical community and serving as a MAG member, offered a perspective that combined appreciation for WSIS's achievements with a call for focused evolution. She argued that WSIS has been a great success over 20 years, making digitalisation a priority for government leaders and producing the IGF as one of its most important outcomes . However, she argued that the mandate must evolve: just as the IGF should no longer focus solely on Internet governance but should encompass "digitalization governance" and "digital governance" more broadly, so too should the WSIS framework adapt to the expanded scope of digital challenges .

On the question of what the C11 roadmap should prioritise, Zhang argued for identifying minimal shared principles that can serve as common ground across diverse national contexts. She emphasised the importance of maintaining "one Internet" - remaining well-connected and resisting moves towards fragmentation - as a foundational minimum . She also stressed that interoperability is critical, both for policy alignment and for making business easier across borders . Beyond these infrastructure principles, she highlighted capacity building as a vital priority, warning that "in the AI age, our digital divide could be wider, because we have no access" . She also called for the roadmap to identify specific thematic priorities for each period rather than attempting to address everything simultaneously, suggesting that a more targeted, focused approach would be more effective .

In the open discussion, Zhang returned to the question of the IGF's role, arguing that it should be used to build connections between different UN agencies rather than creating a new single advisory body, precisely because it genuinely represents a multi-stakeholder platform . She also offered a gentle but direct counter to the suggestion that digital governance should follow the climate governance model of "listening to the science", cautioning that digitalisation involves "a lot of economic and social factors" beyond technology alone and that governance should not rely solely on a single group of scientists .

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Sophia Longwe (Wikimedia Germany): Fragmentation, Exclusion, and the Need for Genuine Participation

Sophia Longwe, Policy Manager at Wikimedia Germany, offered one of the most structurally critical perspectives of the session. She welcomed the joint implementation roadmap for WSIS and the GDC, noting that these processes are supposed to be complementary but are currently "also competing a bit because they create different forms" . As a global movement with local chapters and user groups around the world - existing in almost 350 different knowledge versions - the Wikimedia movement participates at both international and national levels, automatically connecting global commitments with local implementation . However, she described the growing challenge of parallel processes as a serious problem, particularly the fragmentation of AI governance across exclusive forums such as the G7, G20, and OECD, where certain member states - particularly from the developing world - cannot participate and civil society is not meaningfully involved .

Longwe's most striking observation was that civil society is "basically placed at those processes kind of like at the outskirts, at like separate side events", and that this "feels often very performative" . She argued that this is not only exclusionary but also genuinely inefficient, consuming enormous resources from organisations that are "mostly underfunded" and rely heavily on volunteer effort . Her conclusion was that C11 represents an opportunity to move civic participation to the centre of governance processes rather than having stakeholders navigate disconnected forums .

She drew on Wikimedia's own experience as a model for what participatory, community-led, multilingual global governance can look like, noting that shared knowledge infrastructure such as Wikipedia and Wikidata - recognised as digital public goods and linked to the GDC - demonstrates how governance can be genuinely participatory, collaborative, and open at a global scale . However, she cautioned that digital commons cannot be taken for granted and require sustained funding .

Longwe proposed three main priorities for the C11 roadmap. First, institutional coherence: aligning WSIS action lines, avoiding duplication, linking them to the GDC, SDGs, and AI processes, strengthening the multi-stakeholder approach, adapting IGF modalities to make it more future-ready, and securing more funding . Second, meaningful participation: ensuring that marginalised communities are integrated into decision-making rather than confined to parallel tracks or symbolic consultations, and being more creative and bold about formats, including multi-stakeholder delegations . Third, implementation capacity: strengthening existing institutions such as the IGF and national and regional initiatives, operationalising the Sao Paulo multi-stakeholder guidelines, and potentially applying the multi-stakeholder approach to forums and topics beyond the digital .

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Robert Lisinge (UN Economic Commission for Africa): Regional Roadmaps and the Translation Gap

Robert Lisinge, Economic Affairs Officer at the UN Economic Commission for Africa (ECA), provided a grounded, practitioner-level account of how regional bodies are already grappling with the challenges identified by other speakers. He described ECA's role as coordinating regional processes - including WSIS and IGF - and bringing a common African voice to global platforms, working in partnership with regional institutions such as the African Union and its Agenda 2063 . He noted that ECA had just completed its regional WSIS review for the year, and that in preparation for this, ECA had developed an indicative roadmap for the continent to support the operationalisation of the WSIS Plus 20 outcome .

Lisinge identified the translation of global commitments into national actions as "what is missing" - the critical gap between high-level international agreements and their implementation on the ground . ECA's indicative roadmap was designed to help countries bridge this gap, developed in partnership with regional and international organisations and development partners . He also described ECA's involvement in the STI Forum, working closely with UNESCO and the African Union, and in IGF processes, working closely with ICANN and other institutions .

On the question of measurement, Lisinge was candid about the burden that overlapping reporting requirements place on member states, describing "an enormous number of indicators and reporting requirements from each of different duplicating or replicating frameworks" . ECA's response was to cluster all WSIS Plus 20 resolutions into nine thematic pillars and identify a minimum of 15 priority indicators, ensuring alignment with GDC objectives, African Union Agenda 2063, and the SDGs . He argued that the key priorities for the C11 roadmap from an African perspective are capacity building, alignment with existing frameworks, and careful attention to timelines - noting that the GDC may have a shorter lifespan than WSIS and that the 2035 horizon must be factored into roadmap planning . He concluded by affirming ECA's commitment to supporting member states in turning global commitments into tangible results and to providing input to the draft roadmap .

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Anriette Esterhuysen (Association for Progressive Communications): Avoiding Mechanical Matrices - A Call for Outcome-Oriented Indicators

Anriette Esterhuysen, representing the Association for Progressive Communications (APC) and with long experience in the IGF, offered what was arguably the most intellectually sharp contribution of the session. She began with a candid assessment of regional commission plans, describing her experience of them as "quite mechanical", noting that whilst they can articulate connections to regional strategies such as Africa's Agenda 2063 and the African Digital Transformation Strategy, member states tend to "pick and choose what they want to do" - for example, she noted that she never hears an African state report on Action Line C9 on media .

Her central concern was that the roadmap process risks producing "matrices, matrices of matrices, and they don't speak to human beings" - mechanical tick-box exercises that create the appearance of comprehensiveness without driving real implementation . As an alternative, she proposed that each action line roadmap be structured around the thematic headings already present in the WSIS outcome document - covering areas such as closing digital divides, the digital economy, social and economic development, environmental impacts, and financial mechanisms - and that each action line reflect on its priorities and activities under those themes . She argued that this approach would create a more conceptual and substantive framework, and that if every action line adopted it, one could cross-reference what each action line is doing on, for example, data governance or capacity building .

On indicators, Esterhuysen was equally direct. She argued that proxy indicators such as the number of NRIs are not useful, and that what matters is whether those NRIs are contributing to more inclusive policymaking at national level and facilitating collaborative WSIS implementation in country or region . She used the analogy of a donor relationship: "If I gave my donor an indicator like number of NRIs, they would send me back to my log frame and ask me to redo it, because they want outcome-oriented indicators" . She also proposed that indicator development be done collaboratively with NRIs themselves, so that they can contribute more meaningful outcome-oriented measurement .

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Open Discussion: Coherence, Resources, and Knowledge Consolidation

The open discussion broadened and deepened the themes raised by the panellists. Paulo Glowacki from the Geneva Graduate Institute and the German Internet Governance Forum argued that the principle of "listening to the science", well established in climate governance, should be applied to digital governance, particularly regarding social media regulation where scientific evidence has not been heeded . He also challenged overly quantitative indicators, suggesting instead that coherence across the digital governance system should be the primary measurable outcome, and that quantitative tracking could focus on how many issues raised at NRI level have progressed through regional to global discussion and resulted in concrete outcomes .

Paulina Ibarra, responding in the open discussion, reinforced the point about civil society resources that Longwe had raised earlier, noting that the resources required to follow every parallel mechanism are "tremendous" and that clearer priorities would allow more effective engagement . She called for visible priorities that stakeholders can identify and focus their efforts on, rather than spreading resources thinly across an ever-expanding landscape .

Friederike von Franke from the Wikimedia movement raised the practical challenge of new exclusive processes emerging outside the multi-stakeholder framework, which cannot be controlled by existing governance bodies . Her proposed response was to focus on documentation and consolidation: creating a single, accessible knowledge base of resolutions and decisions from all parallel processes, which would reduce complexity for civil society and government representatives alike . She noted that the UN DESA website is a good start in this direction .

Jimson Olufuye, contributing virtually, highlighted a dimension that had not been explicitly addressed: that WSIS awareness has been poor in many developing countries over the past 20 years, and that there is a need to create more awareness and encourage member states to implement commitments this time around, using the Sao Paulo multi-stakeholder guidelines to bring all stakeholders together not only at the national level but even at the subnational level .

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Measurement, Indicators, and the Online Survey

Throughout the session, the question of how to measure progress under C11 emerged as a recurring and unresolved challenge. Susar acknowledged that whilst proxy indicators such as the number of NRIs or developing countries participating in IGF discussions are an obvious starting point, they are imperfect and do not give an accurate picture of actual impact . She noted that a group of UN agencies - the Partnership on Measuring ICT for Development - is working to develop indicators for all WSIS action lines .

Susar also described the practical steps being taken to develop the roadmap, showing participants a draft on screen during the session. UN DESA has begun drafting a roadmap document that includes linkages to SDGs, GDC objectives, gender equality, human rights, emerging digital trends such as AI, and core activities . An online survey will be published for each relevant WSIS action line - at minimum C1, C7, E-Government, and C11 - by mid-September, to gather broader stakeholder inputs before the roadmap is finalised . She also showed participants a follow-up and review page on the WSIS website that maps all the specific asks from the WSIS Plus 20 outcome document to the relevant entities, providing a matrix of accountability that can help track progress on specific paragraphs .

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Areas of Consensus and Remaining Tensions

The session revealed a remarkably high degree of consensus across all stakeholder groups on the core diagnosis: the current landscape of digital governance is excessively fragmented, the C11 roadmap must go beyond mechanical matrices to produce concrete and actionable priorities, the IGF and its NRIs are critical connective tissue between global and local governance, and civil society must be genuinely rather than symbolically included in decision-making . There was also broad agreement that WSIS must be more fully integrated into the broader UN development agenda, including the post-2030 agenda and the UN80 reform process, rather than remaining siloed .

However, meaningful tensions remained on the mechanisms and design of the roadmap. Schulte favoured concrete, specific, regionally differentiated deliverables with defined timeframes , whilst Esterhuysen warned against producing matrices that do not communicate meaningfully and proposed a thematic conceptual framework instead . Ibarra emphasised operational accountability mechanisms such as formal pipelines and traceable feedback loops . These three visions for the roadmap's design are substantively different and will need to be reconciled in the drafting process.

On indicators, Susar's initial suggestion of proxy metrics was challenged by Esterhuysen's call for outcome-oriented measurement , whilst Glowacki offered a middle path of tracking issue journeys from NRI to global level , and Lisinge proposed a minimum set of clustered priority indicators mapped across multiple frameworks . The question of whether civil society's marginalisation is primarily a structural and political problem - as Longwe and Ibarra argued - or primarily a process design challenge - as Schulte and Susar framed it - also remained unresolved, reflecting a genuine tension about power and accountability in multi-stakeholder governance that several speakers identified but none fully resolved.

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Conclusion

Susar closed the session by thanking all panellists and confirming that their inputs would be taken into consideration in the development of the roadmap . She noted that the online survey would provide a further opportunity for detailed input, and that the next session would continue related discussions about the IGF and its national and regional initiatives, which had come up repeatedly throughout the discussion . The session as a whole demonstrated both the urgency of the challenge - with the 2027 CSTD presentation of the roadmap as a critical and not-distant deadline - and the genuine intellectual and political work still required to translate broad consensus on the diagnosis into a coherent, actionable, and accountable roadmap for international and regional digital cooperation .

Deniz Susar
Session for WSIS Action Line C11 and I just put a slide here on the screen where you can see C11 which is about international and regional cooperation. The original C1 language was written in 2003 and it focused on ICT projects, development assistance, public -private partnership, and mainstreaming ICTs in international and regional organizations. That still remains relevant but the context has changed a lot. Today, we have many related UN processes on digital cooperation. We have the WSIS Forum where we are, we have the IGF, we have the Global Digital Compact, we have the STI Forum, we have UN Group on Information Society and many other internal UN coordination mechanisms. Sometimes I cannot even count. We also have new processes on artificial intelligence, including the global dialogue on AI governance and independent international scientific panel on AI. So I think the question is not how to create another process, but it's about maybe how to merge everything or how to bring together everything. And I thought the question is how C11 can help improve this coherence. I mean, how can these processes maybe speak to each other better and how can we avoid duplication as the member states ask again and again in various resolutions? And how can we make the system easier to follow for member states and stakeholders? There are some important milestones ahead. I mean, first of all, we will have the next IGF 14 to 18 December in Nairobi. But if you look at it a bit further, the UN 82nd session of the General Assembly will begin in September 2027, approximately one year and continue until September 2008. And during that 82nd session, the review of the Global Digital Compact will take place. It will begin with a report from the Secretary General, and it will also take place in a period of transition with a new Secretary General taking office next year. And that will make the review especially important. It will give member states an opportunity to assess what has worked, and it will also allow them to consider which arrangements should continue, which should evolve, and how different processes should proceed. The global dialogue on AI governance and the independent international scientific panel on AI, I think, have created important space for discussion. evidence and exchange on AI governance. I mean, they also, as you have seen this week, they have helped bring visibility to AI as a global policy issue. They have also helped connect AI governance with development inclusion, and I think it will continue. But at the same time, the GDC review will provide member states with an opportunity to assess these arrangements. This includes their added value, their duration, their relationship with existing WSIS and UN processes, and how AI -related cooperation should be taken forward. I'm telling this because this WSIS Action Line C11, international and regional cooperation, can be useful. It can help us think about cooperation across processes. It can help link global dialogue with regional and national experience, as you know. Most of you come from IGF. IGF has national, regional, and youth initiatives. They are especially important. They bring local and regional perspectives into global discussions. At the UN, we have UN regional commissions, but we have also UN resident coordinators. I think there is a lot of room for us to improve collaboration there. We go to different countries for capacity building. I'm talking for UN DESA, and we find other UN agencies there. I was in a meeting last year in one of the countries in the Middle East. I was doing a capacity building workshop on the use of AI in public administration, and across the room, organized by the same ministry, there was another UN agency doing something similar. So I think we need to really, as UN, we need to coordinate, and I think this Action Line C11... in the roadmap that we will present to CSTD next year can help us. So today, I think I have some panelists around the table. But one of the asks of the WSIS Plus 20 outcome document for all WSIS action lines is to prepare a roadmap. So this roadmap is currently being developed, and it will be presented to Commission on Science Technology Development in 2027. So today, we can talk about that roadmap, what should go in it. It's a very broad action line. And I will only have one question for the panelists. What would you like to see in the C11 roadmap? And if you want to go into a bit specifics, how can C11 help improve coherence among all the... processes that you know. You can think about WSIS, GDC, STI forum if you are familiar with it. The UNGESS, UN Group on Information Society, one of the asks of the WSIS last document was also to get stakeholders input to the UN Group on Information Society which is an interagency group. Now ITU as the UNGESS secretariat trying to come up with a multi -stakeholder consultation group. So there is a lot happening and you are free to say what you want to say. It's a broad topic but it would be good also to give us some specific inputs. So I stop here. For everyone around the room, I also have a multimeter if you want to contribute while the panelists are talking. I will start with Mr. Philipp Schulte, Senior Policy Officer in the Federal Ministry for Digital Transformation and Government Modernization in Germany.
Philipp Schulte
Thank you Deniz um and i'm more than happy to give input on this important topic since um most of the um most of the observations you already uh shared with us i would share as well um and i would also like to broaden this perspective a bit more since um what is the wizard's resolution to my understanding um this resolution is really the resolution of un member states to steer the un on digital development and during the build up for the versus plus 20 review member states and also i think un agencies uh noticed that this uh this idea in steering the un on digital development was a bit overlooked so it was not really clear to member states and for some un agencies how the original with this mandate especially the action lines still steer the work of the UN. And I think one of the answers to this issue was the idea of the roadmaps, which was also a proposal by the European Commission and its member states. And we were heavily involved in writing this non -paper at the very beginning of the business negotiations. And we are more than delighted that some of the ideas were now reflected in the resolution. So to my understanding, and my colleagues here on the table who are working longer on this file might correct me, but I think WSIS is one of the oldest and certainly the most comprehensive mandate for the UN to work on digital. And it's overarching. And the C11 you just mentioned, is the overarching mandate for the UN agencies to work on digital cooperation. so why would the roadmaps help you in steering the mandate so with the roadmaps I mean the mandate of the business is super broad it's tech neutral and it gives the agencies and the offices a bit of room to decide what they want to work on and I think that's very good because they are on the ground and they know best what is needed and maybe not the member states at least not all of them but then it's also a bit like it shouldn't mean you can do what you want and I think the roadmaps is really an opportunity for the agencies to recalibrate how they work on digital issues what are their priorities and on what issues they actually want to deliver within the mandate and I think that's not an extra task but I think that's not an extra task it's really a chance to streamline a bit the work and also to take into account newer mandates such as from the Global Digital Compact but there are also a lot of other resolutions in the second committee on ECOSOC on ITU and I think this roadmap can really help the agencies to calibrate their mandates and to better explain it not only to the member states but also internally and to the greater public. But I also want to say that Wizzes was when it started was pretty much put in a box for several reasons and was never well connected to the broader UN agenda on development and I think that made sense in 2003 and 2005 but it's not it's not possible anymore and we see the Global Digital Compact as one of the results. of this and I think WSIS should be really more integrated in the overall processes of the UN and there's a chance for this, there's a window of opportunity until 2030 I would say since then at least at 2030 the UN will rediscuss its broader orientation and substantive development goals, what will happen next and I think these roadmaps are really a chance for the agencies to prepare also for 2030 like what do you want to reach until 2030 and what do you want to see after that, how do you, because I don't believe that WSIS and the policy outputs which come out of the post 2030 agenda will be separated anymore, I think they need to be integrated and another chance is the UN80 process which is little discussed in WISIS but I think these roadmaps are really a chance for the UN agencies to see to show to the member states also how they deliver on UNAT because we as member states we expect the agencies also to deliver in the realm of digital cooperation on WISIS on UNAT so I think it's not an extra task but it's a good opportunity and we're really looking forward to the results of these roadmaps and happy to support further and get more input. Thank you.
Deniz Susar
Thank you very much I didn't even want to mention the SDG review but you are right it will start after the GDC review and we need to think about it one thing I forgot to mention is in the roadmaps gender and human rights are also asked to be included by the member states. We are thinking about the gender and human rights dimensions plus the indicators. How can we measure? So if anyone has an idea, how can we measure C11? This is one of the tasks in front of us. I was thinking what could be some of the indicators. One thing that comes to mind is, of course, number of NRIs or developing countries participating in Internet Governance Forum or in these discussions, but these are all proxy indicators. They really don't give the actual view there. So with the same question, I will now move to Ms. Paulina Ibarra, Executive Director, Fundación Multitudin Chair, Civil Society Pillar of the Community of Democracies, Chile.
Paulina Ibarra
There you go. And also apologies for the picture. That's from 10 years ago. Thank you. I'm the managing director for Nelson Multitudes. We work in Latin America and the Caribbean, and also am a MAC member of the IGF. So thank you, Deniz. Thank you, Philipp, for your comments. I think that as we look into shaping or reshaping the future of WSIS with the focus on C11, I think we need to start moving away from rhetorical commitments and start working on operational reality. So I appreciate very much this panel, because I think that we are at a point where the high -level text has been deployed. It's sort of a speak -in, and from where I sit at the MAC, I've... deeply believe that the IGF is the practical space designed to bridge all these UN mandates with actual execution. It is the tissue, basically, that connects government, civil society, technical expertise, and the private sector as equal partners. And that is really unique. It doesn't really happen that often. For us, or at least for me, the regional implementation does not happen in silos. So when we look at the regional level, the threats are shifting really fast. I don't think I have to go too much into the details, but for example, in Latin America, where I work, my NGO focuses on specific dangerous trends, particularly female. And I think that's really important. And I think that's really important. And I think that's really important. during the elections. And this is just one example. And because these operations use cross -border digital infrastructure, isolated national policies simply don't work, unlike the EU. So this is exactly why Action C11 on regional cooperation is a matter of democratic resilience and not just a policy line. So what I would like to see in the map moving forward to make it effective is, I believe there are three concrete actions that would be great to see. First, we need to enforce cross -border platform accountability. Relying on voluntary corporate guardrails is no longer an option. The regional frameworks under C11 must push for mandatory human rights due diligence and security. Across the entire technology lifecycle, tech platforms have to face the same regulatory rigor and algorithm transparency in local non -English speaking markets as they do in the global. second we have to fix the pipeline between local data and global tracking local civil society organizations are actually the first responders when it comes to digital harms but their insights rarely change global compliance C11 architecture needs to be built and needs to incorporate a direct line from national and regional IGFs straight into a formal review mechanism of the GDC and the CSCD and finally we need traceable feedback loops inside the UN DESA when regional stakeholders spend time and resources reporting digital rights violations or consulting on policy there should be a visible record showing exactly how that information impacts international policy priorities or platform oversight. So we should be moving forward more accountable co -governance to make the next phase of the WSIS matter. And again, like I said at the beginning, just move away from endless listening sessions. Thank you.
Deniz Susar
Yeah, thank you. Thank you, Paulina. Your comments are taken. I think for interaction, one thing that we will do is, and I'm just showing a glimpse of it, we will create an online, we will put an online survey. We've started talking and preparing the roadmap. We start with a, you can have a look at it on the screen. We start with the main description and then SDGs, GDC objectives, how this actually links to that. We look at how is gender equality and empowerment of women, women, next we look at the human rights and then we are also looking at how are emerging digital trends like AI addressed in this action line and then with some of the core activities projects what you see on the screen is just a draft but it will be finalized after your inputs we are thinking that we will put this online for each UNDESA action line at least C1, C7, E -government and C11 until mid September and then it will go to CSDD later this year one of the things is I was asking do you have existing clear measurable indicators to track progress under this action line as you know member states during the 20 year review paid extra attention to monitoring and review they would like to see indicators and there is a group of UN agencies we call it partnership on measuring ICT for development And that group is also trying to come up with some indicators for all vicious action lines. Now I move to Dr. Xiao Zhang with the same question, what would you like to see in the roadmap? But the panel is not only for the speakers. People here can also fill out the mantimeter and help us. Yeah, please, Dr. Xiao Zhang.
Dr. Xiao Zhang
Okay. Hello, everyone. This is Xiao. I was originally from the government, and now I'm with the tech community, a MAG member. And I think for the WSIS, we should be thankful to the WSIS because it light the milestone in the UN system and make digitalization a priority for the government leaders. And since for 20 years, we see a lot of progress and so many things happening, both in development and governance. So actually, I think WSIS is a great success. And also with IGF as an outcome, one of the very important outcomes that leads the multi -stakeholder discussion place. and for me, I think because we see it as very comprehensive it has so many action lines and actually it is a whole society so actually the mandate is evolving, like the Internet Governance Forum, we should not just focus on the Internet governance, but it should be the digitalization governance the digital governance, and this is the work that the platform so the mandate should evolve and the focus of this year's issue I think there are some focuses, like everybody's talking about AI or something, but for me I think, from my perspective I think, what's the minimum that we should do as an infrastructure, because we are .cn and we're always in the international cooperation, that we have some the aim is to try to find something common, there is no one answer, not one set fits all, but for us, I think we should work on the one Internet that means aware the fragmentation of the infrastructure, we should remain interconnected well -connected, and it's something minimal. And then, I think for all of us, because we have different priorities, but interoperability is very important. It's better for the policies, and we should not feel... It's better to help the business become easier. And besides this, I think for the global sales, because I think a lot of programs going on, it's a capacity building, as UNDES is working on. It's really important, because in the AI age, our digital divide could be wider, because we have no access. So it's a very important issue. So then, I came to the question, because we see this as comprehensive, but what we can do in the new age, I think definitely we should find some priorities and try to make it targeted. Like one year, we can focus on some particular dress of the issue, like some... and try to coordinate and find something. That's my point. Thank you.
Deniz Susar
Thank you very much Dr. Zhang with the same question I now move to Ms. Sophia Longwe project manager policy Wikimedia Germany
Sophia Longwe
Thank Thank you very much Deniz and also for facilitating the session and letting us openly brainstorm about how the C11 roadmap can look like from a civil society perspective the most urgent priority under Action Line C11 I would say is to really ensure that international cooperation becomes more coherent and inclusive especially for our stakeholders that are not government and private sector because we simply cannot afford further fragmentation of the global governance landscape and at Wikimedia Germany we've actively engaged in almost all of the processes so with the Plus20 review but also the Global Digital Compact and we also really welcome that there will now be or a a a joint implementation roadmap for WISIS and GDC because these processes are supposed to work together. They are somehow complementary, but at the moment somehow they're also competing a bit because they create different forms. As a global movement, the Wikimedia movement, we participate not only at the international level, but we also have local chapters and user groups all around the world. And thereby we actively always engage in national and regional initiatives and make this connection automatically, basically, where we really connect all of those global commitments that we agree on with local implementation. But if I'm very honest about that, especially from civil society perspective, then it's really a growing challenge that more and more parallel processes are popping up. And especially when it comes to duplication, we really have non -reinforcing existing institutions. And I think one key example we saw this week here in Geneva is that the eye governments, Warren and Sandscape, is just genuinely really... really fragmented. We have so many different dialogues going on at so many different levels, also very exclusive for like the G7, like the G20, like the OECD, where certain member states can't participate, and also civil society is not really involved there. And those mechanisms somehow coexist, but don't really relate to each other, but they do have overlapping mandates, obviously. So I really think that from a civil society perspective, we are basically placed at those processes kind of like at the outskirts, at like separate side events, and it somehow feels often very performative, because we're not really involved in the main decision -making spaces. And not just, it's not only exclusive, but I think it's also genuinely really inefficient to have so many different processes happening at the same time, because this just does not only create exclusion, but also, yeah, you need so many resources for that. And civil society is obviously really always mostly underfunded. And also most of us work on a volunteer basis, especially also in the Wikimedia movement with editors. So, yeah, I really think that C11 is an opportunity for stakeholder engagement and for stakeholders to participate more meaningfully in processes that are already existing instead of just like, yeah, starting new ones. And I think that through this roadmap, we could really move civic participation to the center of this and, yeah, instead of navigating different disconnected forums. And, yeah, Wikimedia, I think, also brings a lot of experience to that, obviously, because we are community -led, we're multilingual, exist in almost 350 different knowledge versions. And I think that this shared knowledge infrastructure that is global, such as, for example, Wikipedia, Wikidata, and also recognized as digital public goods, also linked to the Global Digital Compact, can demonstrate how governance can really work on this global level and can be very participatory and collaborative and open. I design. yeah but yet those digital public goods we can't just take them for granted obviously digital commons also need funding and yeah basically when it comes to implementing WSIS and the GDC then we should really build on this principle so I have three main takeaways I would say first is institutional coherence so really to align the WSIS action lines avoid duplication and really link them to the GDC to the SDGs to UNHC and to also all of the other related AI processes that come with that and through that really strengthen the multi -stakeholder approach adapt the modalities also of the IGF to make it more future ready and also adapted to its permanent mandate and secure more funding there then the second one is meaningful participation so not just to include gender and human rights which we obviously welcome but to really ensure that marginalized communities are integrated into decision making and not just confined to some parallel tracks and some like symbolic consultations or photo opportunities I think that, for example, this meeting here is already a good example with the Mentimeter, where everyone can just jump in and genuinely participate. So I think that there also, when it comes to formats, we can be more creative and a bit more bold when it comes to also, for example, having multi -stakeholder delegations. And then lastly, I think that we definitely need implementation capacity here. So to really strengthen existing institutions that have worked for a long time, like the IGF, like national and regional initiatives that really also inherently connect the global with the local and thereby also operationalize the Sao Paulo multi -stakeholder guidelines that were also recognized in the WSIS Plus 20 review. And then also maybe think of applying this multi -stakeholder approach to forums and topics beyond the digital. And I think that we can really go ahead there because we've learned so much throughout the last, let's say, 20, 21 years. Thank you.
Deniz Susar
Thank you, Sophia. I also see some good ideas here in the Mentimeter. but I think we will get more inputs when we put the survey online but what you are saying is really we are trying to do but it's really difficult there is business action lines linked to SDGs and then there is GDC we are also getting lost really like with the roadmap I mean the colleagues in the UN system we also come up with a matrix. But sometimes I'm asking okay let me move to the next speaker. It's good to know that we're all very good. Yes. Let Robert Lisinge, Economic Affairs Officer from ECA give us his input and then we'll open the uh for uh input from others in the room.
Robert Lisinge
Yeah uh thank you so much uh for inviting eca to be on this uh this session as you know as a regional arm of the un and africa we coordinate uh regional processes uh all including the wises and also igf and other regional processes and in that exercise we bring in the bringing african voice or african voice a common position in global platforms and we we do that through of course partnership we don't do it alone we especially when it comes to the african region we also have responsibility and uh collaboration need for regional institutions like the african union They do have African Union Agenda 2063, so all what we do needs to be aligned to those kind of programs. So in terms of WSIS and IGF, as you know, we organize regional consultations, reviews, and for WSIS, the regional review for this year took place last week, actually. And in the preparation for this, what we did was to come up with a roadmap for the continent for the implementation or operationalization of WSIS Plus 20 outcome. In that exercise, we developed an indicative roadmap, which helps countries to use it for their national implementation. the global commitments into national actions is what is missing. Implementation is missing. So countries need that one. So this is done in partnership with regional and international organizations and development partners. We work with UN agencies and so on. It's not only IGF and WSIS. Also, we are involved in the SDI Forum. There, for WSIS, it's obvious, all the UN agencies are participating and we are also working with African Union. And when it comes to IGF, all the international and development partners are participating in this process. We work very closely with ICANN and other institutions. And when it comes to the SDI Forum, UNESCO, we work very closely with UNESCO. And the African Union. The Indian Commission also, they do have a SDI program. So for achieving all this, international cooperation and partnership is very key, and C11 plays a critical role in implementing all these programs. And the other aspect is actually the measurement aspect. It's not only enough to have the roadmap. We need to have, as you were saying, specifically for each of the action lines, but also broadly for all of them, we need to have those measurement indicators. We came up because most of our member states face some challenges in terms of an enormous number of indicators and reporting requirements from each of different duplicating or replicating frameworks from different countries. So what we try to do is in this roadmap. We tried to make some kind of mapping and clustering. We took all the resolutions, which is 20 plus 20 outcome, and we clustered them or mapped them into nine thematic pillars. And then for that also, we identified a minimum of 15 indicators where countries can report on priority. We call them priority indicators. But in this exercise, we made sure that there is alignment between other frameworks like the GDC objectives. And apart from GDC, we do have a requirement also, as I mentioned earlier, to look at the Agenda 263 of the African Union. So in that roadmap, you see that alignment. We did that mapping, how the action, which is action lines. Are aligned with GDC objective and also. the African agenda and also the SDGs. So overall, I would say the key priorities that need to be included in the C11 roadmap from our view is that member states, particularly in our region, Africa, they need a lot of capacity building. So capacity building should be one of the things that we need to be reflected in the action plan for international cooperation. Apart from that, this alignment with existing frameworks, because you see some duplications and we have to also look at the timeline, which is 2035. When we are preparing this roadmap, we have to look at that one. So GDC, for instance, may not, I mean, it will be for one year or two years. So the timeline is very important to consider when we prepare the roadmap going forward for the international cooperation. So alignment, capacity building, and also looking at the timeline to make sure that we have addressed the requirements or requests coming from member states, not to duplicate efforts, to align our programs and have a unified set of reporting lines. And that's very important that we need to reflect. In conclusion, I would say that... The implementation of the WSIS -20 outcomes presents a unique opportunity to build a more inclusive, resilient, and prosperous digital future for Africa. Through international cooperation, regional solidarity, and multi -stakeholder partnerships, the Economic Commission for Africa remains committed to supporting member states. in turning these commitments into tangible results. And we'll look forward to working with you and providing input to the draft roadmap that you have started working on. Thank you.
Deniz Susar
Thank you. I will now open the floor from the rest. I see you have something for it. I will come to you. But I think if we can do one thing, regional commissions are important. You are closer to member states. But when we also go to the member states, as I was saying, there is the resident coordinator. The UN system is so big. We cannot be perfectly efficient or all the agencies, development agencies. But if there is like at least a little bit more efficiency, I think that we will look better. I don't know if you can explain these things to your friends. that are not familiar with UN, and if they can understand and if they confirm, yeah, what you are doing makes sense. And I think at that moment, we are making some progress. Let's go to Dr. Zhang, and then the floor is open.
Dr. Xiao Zhang
I think what we can do is to make a strong sense of IGF. IGF is a platform. It's not only for one policymaking. Because UN system, they have different agencies, different policies, different actions, different decisions, but they don't need a single modistic advisor group. But we can use IGF, and the mandate of IGF is evolving. So I think we should build the agents' connections with different agencies because this really stands for modistic holder group. Thank you.
Deniz Susar
Thank you. Henriette?
Anriette Esterhuysen
I'm the first one. Thanks, Denise. Henriette Estreja. Thank you, Alison. I'm involved in the IGF for a long time, but also International Civil Society Network Association for Progressive Communications. So I've been thinking about this as well, because Denise asked me to speak on C1, which I did not do a good enough job on earlier this week. So I've been thinking about this all week. I think, well, firstly, just a few reflections. On the regional commission plans, which I've been involved in, what I have found there, Afawork, is that it's quite mechanical. Sometimes it's good, because it articulates to other regional strategies, like in Africa, Agenda 2063 and the African Digital Transformation Strategy. But I also find that member states pick and choose what they want to do. So, for example, Action 9, C9 on media. I never hear an African state report on C9. So I think it's a good thing. So I think, I mean, this is C11. It's comprehensive, and I think it's a good one. But I think that... you know, it's good, but we sometimes need to push the boundaries because I think as Philip said in his opening, it's a broad mandate. That's the strength of the WSIS. It is a broad mandate and it brings everything together. I think Sophia's point about fragmentation, very important as well. And I think what I am concerned about with the roadmaps that we've seen so far as well as the SDG WSIS integration and the GDC WSIS integration is that we end up with matrices, matrices of matrices, and they don't speak to human beings. And in a way, they're mechanical tick box things, and I think we need to be beyond that. So my proposal, I think the WSIS outcome document is a very rich document, and it has these headings, information and communications for development, closing all digital divides, the digital economy, social and economic development, and so on. Environmental impacts. I won't read them all. financial mechanisms. Thanks a lot. And I was wondering, could we ask each action line roadmap to include these and then some reflections on priorities and activities under those? In the case of C11, that would be a way of, Sophia, you know, the fragmentation that you're talking about, for DESA to put in that roadmap, these are the processes that are dealing with data governance or that are dealing with environmental impacts. These are the agencies where these processes are located, and this is how we can engage with them. For example, on environmental impacts, have a policy network or a process within the IGF that looks at this in more detail, you know, just as an example. And I just think that might make a more conceptual, substantive and... or create a more conceptual, substantive way of looking at the roadmaps of the different action lines. And plus, if every action line is encouraged to do this, it would actually create quite a strong sort of framework where you can go, if you want to focus on data, you would actually be able to see what every action line is likely to do on data. What does capacity building do on data governance, you know, and so on. But then just a quick comment on targets. I think targets and indicators like number of NRIs, I'm not convinced that's particularly useful. What we want to see is, are those NRIs contributing to more inclusive policymaking at national level? And are they facilitating collaborative WSIS implementation in country or in region? So I think, you know, I'm speaking as an NGO. If I gave my donor... I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. an indicator like number of NRIs, they would send me back to my log frame and ask me to redo it, because they want outcome -oriented indicators.
Deniz Susar
Thank you, Aniette, for that concrete proposal. We need to start somewhere. I said number of NRIs, because we need to see what is out there as a proxy indicator, but of course then we. Yeah, that will make sense.
Anriette Esterhuysen
And do it collaboratively, Denise, I think, so if you can count the number of NRIs, ask the NRIs to do some more outcome -oriented measurement. Thank you.
Philipp Schulte
Yeah, just to add on this, I think mappings are fine, and metrics are also fine, but we have a lot of them already. So I think the different idea about the roadmaps is really to see what are the agencies doing on this issue? Because that's hard to explain to member states, and you should understand this roadmap is a vehicle to communicate, but also to prioritize internally, and please prioritize with multi -stakeholder input. So there might be different prioritizations on each action line, in each region, in each context, but it makes it harder to write one roadmap, I agree. But this roadmap can really help you to, if you want to work, for example, on, say, infrastructure, there might be different situations in East Africa than in Eastern Europe or in South America. So then you would need, by the roadmap, you would need to prioritize, okay, do I focus on Internet Exchange Point, do I focus on cable? I don't know, but you can find out with stakeholder input, and then you would say, okay, we want to increase the number of Internet Exchange Point in Eastern Africa within two years. We want to increase it in two years by this number. And this is a concrete item, and that's something you can bring back to the member states, and I think they would love to see that.
Deniz Susar
Thank you very much, Philipp. And I also want to show you this page, follow -up and review of the WSIS Plus 20. It's on our website. Here you can see all the paragraphs where there is an ask to an entity. So you can just – this is – you can see this as a matrix as well. So you can just jump to a paragraph. I don't know what is it, but 33. 33 member states ask here a generic ask to, I think, MSMEs. So if we go with your idea, Henriette, this is coming from all different sections of from the WSIS Plus 20 outcome. But if you go further, there are some specific asks, and it's easy to show progress on these. For example, paragraph 67 I mentioned. And this was your session yesterday, and we had the internal task force to assess gaps and challenges. So this itself is a huge ask, and it will take for us to organize within the UN system and to deliver by 2027. So there are not that many months. But if you go through this, there is a math ask there for everything. And we put this out there just to maybe to see if it can help us. Back to our – yes, please, if you can introduce yourself.
Audience
Yes, of course. Paulo Glowacki from the Geneva Graduate Institute and also on the German Internet Governance Forum. I want to just reiterate one point that Sophia raised on the processes also from an academic perspective, because I think what comes up in the climate change discussions a lot is listen to the science and listen to the science. Listen to the science should also be something that we do digitally. we haven't listened to the science with regard to social media regulation we haven't listened to the science in many matters and i think if we do that if we start doing that we don't need to come up with a new fancy term for digital we can use what we already had in the climate discussions and push for that now that's one thing the second thing is to challenge perhaps as well the the notion of overly quantitative indicators i think um and i put this in the mentimeter as well if we have coherence across the digital governance system but by the time of whichever review you want to take um i think that will make member states very happy and that will make i hope the multi -stakeholder community very happy because as we said civil society will will be able to have a structured engagement industry will have structured engagement and ultimately i mean that's what we're all after we might even save some money and i think that you can put into indicators, right? I mean, you can say how many issues, for example, how many issues have been raised at NRI level that have then been discussed at regional level and then been discussed on a global level and we've come to a concrete outcome. I think that's a very, you can even quantify that perhaps. I think that's something that merits further reflection in such a roadmap.
Sophia Longwe
Yeah, thank you. Please. Thank you. That's a little bit of what I was saying, but I think that we need to put together first the mechanisms. Otherwise, there is no way for civil society to report and to see the trustability in this reporting and see if it had an impact or not. I feel that what Sophia was saying is very much integrated to what I was saying, also in the sense that... And the resources that civil society has to allocate to follow up every single one of these different mechanisms, it's tremendous. And the resources are very limited. So it will be also good to see in terms of the priorities, right, and all those mandates and requirements from member states, where are we seeing the priorities? Do we have real existing priorities that we can see and say, okay, here is where we need to put our effort, instead of just trying to spread out very thin and very ineffectively to cover it.
Deniz Susar
Yeah, I agree. I think the priorities will be at the global level, maybe for this group, but it will change when we go to regional, ECA, or at national level. I think priorities will also come from different. Actors. Yeah, please, you haven't spoken before.
Audience
Yes, hi, my name is Friederike von Franke, I'm also with the Wiki movement and I'm not as knowledgeable as Sophia so I'm happy Sophia is here my question would be we could put a lot of effort into combining all parallel processes, I also like very much Dr. Chang's suggestion to use the IGF as an advisory board for UN institutions and UN processes, my question would be what do we do if there are popping up new processes that are very exclusive and they're out of, I mean we cannot control member states coming up with something different and the only solutions I have for that is that we still try to document and to combine the resolutions and the decisions that are there in the different processes in one place so that makes us less inclusive because then we would have to have some very understandable document, but it would be at the same time less complicated for civil society. And I also believe for governmental institutions, I mean, not every member in a government is able to follow all tracks. So it would be easier for everybody to have, you know, things and like a knowledge base in one place that could be a good, so your website is a good start. So I like that. Thank you.
Deniz Susar
Okay. Thank you for that contribution. The last two, because Zhang has a session.
Dr. Xiao Zhang
Just one thing, I think we should be careful if we want to build a, if we just listen to a scientist or a scientist group, because it's very, very complicated. Digitalization is about the involvement of human and how human could accept technology. It's about application. A lot of economic and social factors. It's not just about the technology factor. So we should be very careful if we just, if we just want to listen to a group of people, scientists. Thank you.
Audience
virtual presence, please. Deniz?
Deniz Susar
Yeah, please introduce yourself and please be brief. Okay.
Audience
Yes, my name is Jimson Olufuye, contemporary and a figure. Just to thank you and the staff organizing this. I would like to really note that WSIS awareness has been poor in many developing countries over the past 20 years. So there is a need to create more awareness and encourage member states to really implement this time around and using the South Polo multistakeholder guidelines to bring all stakeholders together not only at the national level, even at the subnational levels. Thank you very much.
Deniz Susar
Thank you so much, Mr. Jimson. The previous speaker. The speaker was saying we cannot change what member states are doing, but I think we can provide input, and this C11 will be an input to that. So there is this, for example, one idea, the global AI dialogue happened this year, and in its modalities resolution, it's asked to take place together with other UN fora. That's why it took place here at the WSIS, and it will take place during the STI forum in New York next year, and then it will be reviewed in GDC, and IGF, I think, is a good platform for that. For example, this could be one input to the member states, but this conversation will continue in the next session. We prepared the, we left the podium empty for the panelists of the next session. So you don't lose time. In the next session, there will be discussion about IGF, including its NRIs, which came up a few times here. so I thank all the panelists we will take into consideration all your inputs and we will get back to you with a more detailed survey than this where you can provide further inputs we end the session here and then we'll continue with the next one.

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