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WSIS+20 follow-up - from Milestones to Momentum: what comes next?

10 speakers
Summary

This session explored how to align institutional roles between the WSIS+20 review outcomes and the Global Digital Compact (GDC), with a focus on identifying concrete milestones for implementation . It was co-organised by multiple Internet Society chapters, including the UK, Switzerland, Belgrade, and Germany. Paul Gaskell (UK government) described the WSIS+20 outcome as a genuine success, highlighting the permanent mandate for the Internet Governance Forum (IGF), the reaffirmation of the 2005 Tunis Principles, and the IGF's recognition as the primary forum for internet governance dialogue . He identified increased participation from G77 countries, small and medium-sized enterprises, women, and young people as a key measurable milestone, noting that the upcoming IGF in Kenya presents an important opportunity in this regard .

Matthew Shears cautioned against reverting to siloed approaches, pointing to Article 68 of the GDC as an explicit expectation that the IGF and WSIS will be core components of GDC implementation . Markus Kummer emphasised the IGF's role as 'the glue' holding processes together , while also raising concerns about the legal and structural fragility of voluntary intersessional bodies such as dynamic coalitions and national and regional initiatives . Valeria Betancourt highlighted the lack of serious funding commitments as a critical gap, calling for a demand-driven, recipient-centred approach from the GDC's newly mandated interagency task force on financing .

Charles Noir (CIRA) welcomed the recognition of the technical community as a distinct stakeholder , and stressed the importance of bringing practical expertise into policy discussions early enough to enable implementation at the infrastructure level . Dr Yik Chan Chin noted the proliferation of new AI governance mechanisms emerging from the GDC and the Global AI Dialogue , urging the IGF to work more closely with the UN Office for Digital and Emerging Technology to monitor GDC implementation .

Overall, participants agreed that the WSIS+20 outcome represents a significant but not guaranteed achievement , and that the primary challenge ahead lies in translating multistakeholder commitments into coherent, accountable, and adequately funded implementation, with the IGF positioned as the central coordinating mechanism .

Keypoints
  • Overall Purpose

  • The discussion aimed to explore how the outcomes of the WSIS Plus 20 review and the Global Digital Compact (GDC) can be aligned in practice, identify concrete implementation milestones, and clarify the institutional roles of various stakeholders in advancing the process.
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  • Major Discussion Points

  • The WSIS+20 review produced significant, hard-won achievements, particularly the permanent mandate for the IGF. Speakers highlighted that the outcome was not guaranteed, noting the reaffirmation of the 2005 Tunis Principles and the IGF's designation as the primary forum for internet governance dialogue as key wins. The permanent mandate was seen as especially transformative, freeing the IGF from the recurring pressure of mandate renewal and enabling it to be bolder in its work. - Aligning the WSIS framework, the GDC, and emerging AI governance structures is a critical challenge requiring effort to avoid fragmentation and duplication. Matthew Shears warned that stakeholders risk reverting to isolated, siloed approaches rather than seizing the opportunity for coherent coordination. The GDC's Article 68 explicitly positions the IGF and WSIS as core components of GDC implementation, but this must be actively realised. Dr. Yik Chan Chin further noted the proliferation of new AI governance mechanisms emerging from the Global AI Dialogue, raising questions about synergies with existing structures. - Funding gaps and the lack of viable financial mechanisms represent a major accountability and implementation challenge, particularly for civil society and developing countries. Valeria Betancourt emphasised that meaningful connectivity remains out of reach for a significant portion of the global population, and that civil society's role in implementation is chronically underfunded. The newly mandated interagency task force on financing was identified as a crucial opportunity, provided it is informed by the perspectives of recipients rather than development agencies alone. Dr Jimson Olufuye reinforced this by calling for blended financial mechanisms and better national statistical capacity to measure meaningful access. - The IGF ecosystem requires internal consolidation to fulfil its expanded role as the connective tissue between global digital governance processes. Markus Kummer noted that while the IGF has evolved into a vibrant ecosystem of intersessional work, national and regional initiatives, and dynamic coalitions, these structures lack legal personality, making contractual arrangements and sustainable funding difficult. He called for consolidation that preserves the bottom-up, voluntary nature of the IGF while making it more structurally stable. The UNGIS interagency coordination mechanism and a new multistakeholder addition to it were identified as important connective tools. - Translating global commitments into concrete, measurable national-level implementation, especially in developing countries, is an urgent priority. Paul Gaskell identified increased participation from G77 countries, small and medium-sized enterprises, women, and young people as a key milestone, with the upcoming IGF in Kenya seen as a prime opportunity. Charles Noir stressed the technical community's role in bringing practical expertise into policy discussions early enough to ensure implementable outcomes. The Internet Society's non-paper was highlighted as a tool to foster accountability through clear roadmaps for action line implementation. ---
  • Overall Tone

  • The overall tone of the discussion was constructive, collaborative, and cautiously optimistic. Speakers opened with a sense of genuine support at the WSIS+20 outcomes, particularly the permanent IGF mandate, which set a positive and energised atmosphere.
  • As the conversation progressed, the tone became more measured and pragmatic, with speakers acknowledging significant structural challenges - fragmentation, underfunding, legal gaps in the IGF ecosystem, and the risk of reverting to siloed approaches. However, these concerns were consistently framed as opportunities rather than obstacles, maintaining a forward-looking spirit throughout.
  • By the closing remarks, the tone had settled into a rallying, action-oriented register, with speakers urging stakeholders to act as 'WSIS champions' , exercise mutual accountability , and collectively 'roll up their sleeves' to build the implementation roadmap . There was no significant conflict or discord; the dominant mood was one of shared purpose across stakeholder groups.
Speakers Overview
MP
Mr. Paul Gaskell
158 wpm · 3 min
MM
Mr. Matthew Shears
165 wpm · 5 min
MM
Mr. Markus Kummer
139 wpm · 6 min
MV
Ms. Valeria Betancourt
130 wpm · 8 min
DC
Dr. Charles Noir
157 wpm · 4 min
DJ
Dr. Jimson Olufuye
140 wpm · 4 min
DY
Dr. Yik Chan Chin
143 wpm · 5 min
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Audience
183 wpm · 3 min
DO
Dr. Olivier Crépin-Leblond
122 wpm · 1 min
MD
Ms. Desiree Miloshevic Evans
136 wpm · 12 min

Expanded Summary: Aligning Institutional Roles for WSIS Plus 20 and Global Digital Compact Implementation

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Session Overview and Purpose

This session was co-organised by the Internet Society chapters of the United Kingdom, Switzerland, Belgrade (Serbia), and Germany , and brought together an exceptional set of experts representing governments, the private sector, the technical community, civil society, and academia . Co-moderated by Desiree Miloshevic Evans and Olivier Crépin-Leblond, who managed online participation , the session aimed to explore the opportunities and challenges of aligning institutional roles across the WSIS Plus 20 review outcomes and the Global Digital Compact (GDC), with a particular focus on identifying concrete milestones for implementation . Speakers were asked first to reflect on what had been achieved through the WSIS Plus 20 process and then to project forward, identifying first steps in what was acknowledged to be a substantial task .

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Achievements of the WSIS Plus 20 Review

Paul Gaskell, Deputy Director for Digital Trade, Internet Governance and Digital Standards at the UK's Department for Science, Innovation and Technology, opened by describing the WSIS Plus 20 outcome as "a really important success", explicitly noting that the result was not guaranteed and that other, less favourable outcomes had been foreseeable at an earlier stage . He highlighted two dimensions of this success: the quality of the process itself and the substance of the outcome. On process, Gaskell praised the genuine multi-stakeholder approach adopted by the co-facilitators, including the informal multi-stakeholder sounding board, as having run "really well" . On substance, he identified three key wins: the permanent mandate for the Internet Governance Forum (IGF), the reaffirmation of the 2005 Tunis Principles, and the clear designation of the IGF as the primary forum for internet governance dialogue .

Markus Kummer, who served as the IGF's first secretariat head for its first five years and later as chair of the Multistakeholder Advisory Group (MAG), built on Gaskell's assessment by highlighting an additional achievement: the recognition that the IGF is "no longer a standalone annual meeting but is at the centre of a vibrant ecosystem" encompassing intersessional work, national and regional initiatives, policy networks, best practice forums, and dynamic coalitions . He described this as a significant recognition of the work that had been done over many years . Matthew Shears, a board member of the Internet Society's UK chapter joining remotely, added that the GDC had lent new credibility to the multi-stakeholder model, noting that it had "achieved a level of standing in international policy circles related to the internet and development" . Valeria Betancourt of the Association for Progressive Communications (APC) acknowledged these wins, including the integrated approach to WSIS-GDC implementation, while also noting significant regrets - in particular, the lack of meaningful gender integration into the process, which she identified as a systemic failure of the WSIS Plus 20 review rather than a mere oversight . Charles Noir, Vice President for Community Investment, Policy and Advocacy at CIRA, welcomed the recognition of the technical community as a unique stakeholder distinct from the traditional tri-party model, describing this as something the 45-member technical community coalition had actively argued for and was "very pleased" to see in the final document .

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The Permanent Mandate: Opportunity and Responsibility

Kummer identified the permanent mandate as perhaps the most transformative achievement of the WSIS Plus 20 review. Before its adoption, the IGF had always operated under the pressure of mandate renewal, which shaped its behaviour and constrained its ambitions . With a permanent mandate, Kummer argued, the IGF "can be much freer and also, I would hope, bolder in what it's doing" . However, he was careful to note that this freedom also brings new responsibilities, particularly the need for internal consolidation of the IGF's many intersessional structures . Gaskell echoed this sentiment in his closing remarks, expressing a desire to see the IGF develop "more focused, practical, and concrete outcomes", beginning with the upcoming meeting in Kenya . Shears similarly acknowledged that the permanent mandate creates an "institutional coordination challenge" within the UN system that could become "overwhelming" if not actively managed , and that the IGF must balance its growing UN-system role with maintaining the continued importance of national IGFs and local inputs .

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The Risk of Fragmentation Across Governance Processes

Shears introduced what became one of the session's central analytical themes: the risk of treating the WSIS framework, the GDC, and emerging AI governance structures as separate, unlinked processes. He warned that stakeholders risk "reverting back into our somewhat isolated tracks, which is an easy and all too often common way of approaching these kinds of policy issues" , and identified the biggest problem as the tendency to "continue to see these as processes that are not linked, that these are processes that will go on in their own ways" and "will not be sufficiently aligned at the senior level" . At the same time, he pointed to Article 68 of the GDC as an explicit expectation that the IGF and WSIS will be core components of GDC implementation, describing this as "a great opportunity" that "can be easily thwarted if we think about these things in the ways we have in the past" .

Kummer explicitly shared Shears's concern about fragmentation and positioned the IGF as "the glue holding the processes together" . He argued that AI should not be treated as a separate governance domain, noting that the existing broad definition of internet governance - agreed by UN member states and confirmed in multiple General Assembly resolutions - already encompasses AI, covering three distinct layers: physical infrastructure (such as cables), logical infrastructure (names and addresses), and the use and abuse of the internet . He urged participants not to "make a dichotomy between the various processes" but to recognise that they all fall under the broad heading of internet governance . Noir agreed on the need to "really think about duplication" and "how many organisations are involved" across overlapping governance spaces . Dr Yik Chan Chin, project lead on AI at the United Nations University in Macau, described the empirical reality of institutional proliferation, noting that the GDC had created new mechanisms including the Global AI Dialogue, the Office for Digital and Emerging Technology (ODET), and the UN Inter-Agency Working Group on AI coordinated by ITU and UNESCO . She further reported that the Global AI Dialogue had reportedly produced additional initiatives - including an AI Governance for Humanity initiative, an AI for Good Global Commission, a UN AI Resource Hub, and a global network of centres for AI capacity building - raising urgent questions about synergies with existing structures .

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The IGF Ecosystem: Consolidation and Structural Challenges

Kummer raised a practical and often overlooked structural challenge facing the IGF ecosystem: while its intersessional bodies - dynamic coalitions, national and regional IGF initiatives (NRIs) - have grown in number and ambition, they lack legal personality . This means they cannot easily enter into contractual arrangements or manage funding independently, and must instead rely on existing entities such as Internet Society chapters or government agencies to provide a legal home . The same challenge applies to dynamic coalitions, which face significant difficulties if they wish to embark on more ambitious projects involving financial commitments . Kummer called for consolidation of these processes to make them "more stable going the way forward", while insisting that any consolidation must preserve the "bottom-up voluntary nature of the IGF" and avoid "top-down taking control" .

Chin, who drew on sixteen years of IGF involvement to support her recommendations, reinforced this point, arguing that the IGF needs to "consolidate IGF resource" and develop "more effective mechanism, including the effective governance structure and leadership" , and that it must find more effective ways to connect with and reach out to other AI governance actors . An audience member, Wout Nathans van der Borg, working with a dynamic coalition focused on internet standards, raised the question of whether the MAG requires a different mandate or formal liaison arrangements to better connect internal IGF work with external governance processes . He referenced Wolfgang Kleinwacht's longstanding suggestion of having MAG liaisons to other organisations as a possible structural solution, concluding that "the theme is reorganisation" . Kummer responded by pointing to the UN Group on the Information Society (UNGIS) as an existing interagency coordination mechanism in which the IGF secretariat is already involved, and noted that a new multi-stakeholder addition to UNGIS would be important for connecting the IGF to other processes . He expressed confidence that the current MAG, "full of dynamism", would find pragmatic solutions, while acknowledging that this remains "work in progress" .

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Financing: The Critical and Underaddressed Gap

Betancourt delivered the session's most pointed critique, identifying the lack of serious commitment to funding as "one of the main gaps and challenges" ahead . She noted that despite progress in various areas, approximately one third of the world remains unconnected, and that the number of people not benefiting from digital technology continues to grow . Progress on financing advocacy, including initiatives led by civil society and the technical community, had been made in "very tiny steps" . She argued that there is a widespread but incorrect assumption that the necessary funds already exist, stating plainly that "the financing is there and is not there" , and that civil society - which plays a crucial role in WSIS and GDC implementation, particularly in contexts where the state is weak - simply lacks the funding to engage meaningfully .

Betancourt identified the newly mandated interagency task force on financing as a crucial opportunity, provided it is approached correctly . She argued that the task force must be informed by the perspectives of recipients rather than development agencies, including not only developing countries but also small actors and small implementers . She called for a comprehensive financial ecosystem drawing on public, private, and community-based sources, describing this as "essentially non-negotiable" for the implementation of WSIS action lines and GDC objectives . Dr Jimson Olufuye, CEO of a private sector company in Nigeria with extensive experience in translating global commitments into national strategies, reinforced this by calling for blended financial mechanisms to help developing countries implement result-oriented projects . He also highlighted the need to empower national statistical organisations with both financial and technical support to produce granular data on meaningful connectivity, beyond simple coverage statistics . Gaskell, in his closing remarks, acknowledged that the IGF secretariat is "underpowered" and put forward the personal view that "multi-stakeholder organisation funding should also be multi-stakeholder" .

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Implementation Priorities: From Principles to Practice

Gaskell identified increased meaningful participation from G77 countries, small and medium-sized enterprises, women, and young people as "one of the real milestones" for demonstrating that WSIS Plus 20 implementation is on track . He described the upcoming IGF in Kenya as "an excellent opportunity to demonstrate that and to see greater G77 participation" . Olufuye, speaking from the perspective of a private sector actor in a developing country, stressed that developing countries are looking forward to the "full implementation" of the WSIS Plus 20 outcome document, including the Sao Paulo multi-stakeholder guidelines and the recognition of power asymmetries . He called for better-resourced actors to bring other stakeholders on board, and for developing countries to adopt multi-stakeholder approaches in their regulatory processes, including sandbox approaches to achieve "smart regulation" across sectors such as finance, telecoms, health, and agriculture - an approach he argued would create "a sense of ownership" among stakeholders and contribute directly to achieving the SDGs . He highlighted Nigeria's national payment stack as a success story with the potential to be replicated across Africa's approximately 54 countries .

Chin reported that the Global AI Dialogue had reached several important conclusions: that the dialogue is not intended to replace existing mechanisms but to foster mutual learning and complementary narratives; that the focus should shift "from the abstract to operational government structures"; and that inclusive, multi-stakeholder participation is crucial for effective global governance . She noted that what is expected from stakeholders is "concrete, named, supported, and result-oriented commitment" for the second UN Global AI Dialogue in May 2027 - a timeline of less than two years . She urged the IGF to work more closely with ODET and the UN Inter-Agency Working Group to monitor GDC implementation .

An Internet Society representative in the audience made a strong case for the development of clear roadmaps for WSIS action line implementation, arguing that the action lines are "the part of the WSIS process that we see in grave need of further work" . The non-paper put forward was described as having been built substantially on input from the Internet Society's community. The representative argued that roadmaps are essential not only for focusing conversations and setting clear targets, but also for providing "a bit of accountability for these commitments", warning that without them "there's a risk that we simply don't progress as much as we should" . Gaskell explicitly agreed in his closing remarks, describing the WSIS action lines and the roadmap as "a bit of WSIS that is underappreciated" . Betancourt concurred, noting that roadmaps for implementation at national levels "will come with a layer of accountability" .

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The Role of the Technical Community

Noir emphasised the technical community's distinctive contribution to the governance process: the ability to bring "practical expertise into the policy discussion" early enough to ensure that when outcomes are produced, they can actually be implemented . He described CIRA's role as that of a "fairly neutral operator" that can engage in policy conversations at an early stage, and stressed the importance of implementing "at the infrastructure layer the necessary conditions, the technologies that deliver on hopefully all of what we're trying to do" across the WSIS and GDC frameworks . He highlighted the existing multi-stakeholder model's strength in already including strong technical organisations such as ICANN and ISOC, whose expertise should be represented in policy discussions . In his closing remarks, Noir argued that "co-accountability is important" within the multi-stakeholder governance system, and that participants must "be brave enough to bring those issues to the table when we meet in forums like this" .

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Accountability: Values, Power, and Institutional Coordination

A question submitted online by Pari Esfandiari, read by Crépin-Leblond, introduced a philosophically sharp challenge to the session's direction: if the emphasis is shifting from abstract principles to operational governance, "what mechanisms will ensure that implementation remains accountable to the values those principles were intended to protect rather than simply becoming an exercise in institutional coordination?" . This question catalysed the most substantive closing exchanges of the session.

Betancourt responded directly, arguing that "a pragmatic application of the multi-stakeholder model is needed, acknowledging that it is not serving the interests of all the stakeholders similarly" . She called for "a critical approach to understand what are the real dynamics of power that are permeating an effective and more meaningful application of the multi-stakeholder model" , arguing that this critical examination would itself increase accountability. She also insisted that a viable financial ecosystem is "a very important element of public accountability" and that implementation without financial mechanisms is "non-negotiable" . Noir framed accountability in terms of mutual responsibility within the multi-stakeholder system, arguing that participants must exercise "co-accountability" and be willing to raise difficult issues in forums such as the IGF . Shears, in his closing remarks, noted that the institutional coordination challenge of sitting within the UN system could be "overwhelming" and must be actively managed, while also emphasising the opportunity for the IGF to "extol its multi-stakeholder credentials within the UN system" .

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Closing Reflections and Call to Action

The session closed with a series of brief but substantive reflections from all speakers. Olufuye called on all participants to "consider themselves as WSIS champions" and act as "evangelists ensuring that the agreed principles are implemented, especially the Sao Paulo multi-stakeholder guidelines" . Chin reiterated that the IGF is "the only multi-stakeholder mechanism in the UN system" and that its resources must be used "conservatively and effectively to hold the AI governance process accountable" . Noir called for the exercise of co-accountability as a defining feature of the multi-stakeholder governance system . Gaskell expressed a desire for the IGF to have "more focused, practical, and concrete outcomes" beginning in Kenya, acknowledged the underpowered secretariat, and put forward the principle that multi-stakeholder funding should itself be multi-stakeholder . Shears described the opportunity for the IGF as "significant" but acknowledged that it "is going to take a lot of work", urging a balance between the IGF's UN-system role and its local and national dimensions . Kummer concluded that "there is a huge opportunity for the IGF to fill this space and to really connect the dots in the various initiatives" .

Miloshevic Evans closed the session by expressing hope that the discussion was not the end but the beginning of a broader collaborative effort, calling on all participants - through their chapters, coalitions, and communities across all regions - to "roll up our sleeves and help paint that implementation roadmap together" . The overall tone throughout was constructive and cautiously optimistic: a genuine sense of relief at the WSIS Plus 20 outcomes was tempered by clear-eyed recognition of the structural, financial, and institutional challenges that lie ahead, and by a shared commitment to addressing them through coordinated, accountable, and inclusive multi-stakeholder action.

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Ms. Desiree Miloshevic Evans
This session is co -organized by the Internet Society UK, United Kingdom chapter, the Internet Society Switzerland chapter, the ISOC Belgrade, Serbia chapter, and Germany chapter. So thanks to all who participate in co -organizing this. I'll say a few. My name is Desiree Milosevic -Evans, and I'll be co -moderating this session together with Olivier Crepan -Leblanc, who will be taking on questions online for people joining us online. We'll have one remote speaker and more speakers in the room that can fit the stage. And so just to orientate us for the session, what we're trying to achieve today. So a couple of words about our session. Our session will explore the opportunities, but also some challenges and primarily the priorities for aligning institutional roles, across, with these processes and strengthening coordination. We hope to offer, and if possible agree, after our speakers have made initial remarks and through the interactive exchange, agree on some milestones that will help with the implementation roadmap that is currently being built. And we are really lucky to be able to hear from exceptional set of experts from around the world and different stakeholders, governments, private sector, technical community, civil society, and academia. And they will help us clarify and outline priorities by firstly reflecting of what's been achieved. Throughout the WSIS Plus 20 review and the process. And then projecting the picture forward. What are the first steps? Where do we start in this huge task that we have ahead of us? So as I said, I think we suggest that we start from a global, broader perspective. about these institutional roles as to how the WSIS outcome document and the Global Digital Compact can be aligned in practice. So I'll start with introducing our first speaker, Paul Gaskell. He's Deputy Director for Digital Trade, Internet Governance and Digital Standards with DSET, which is the Department of Innovation for Science Innovation and Technology with the UK government. By Paul, welcome. And first asking you a question, if you could, I would say that WSIS Plus 20 has reaffirmed that we have these long -standing commitments through which we're all working together, but the implementation needs clear milestones. and where to start. What are the most important measurable milestones from the UK government point of view for the next 12 months so that we could demonstrate that the WSIS Plus 20 implementation is going to be implemented? And the question is on. Yes, please take a mic.
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Mr. Paul Gaskell
Thank you. Thank you. Just to give a couple of very short reflections before I answer your question directly. Certainly. We would view the outcome of the WSIS Plus 20 review as actually a really important success, particularly given other possible outcomes that we might have foreseen as a possibility at an earlier date. And there's a couple of points I'd pick out. I thought in terms of the process, we were really pleased about not all, UN processes run. smoothly, we thought the genuine multi -stakeholder process for the review by the co -facilitators, for example the informal multi -stakeholder sounding board process ran really well, so a piece of the process. And as you alluded to the outcome, given this is the Internet Society, the focus on, as you mentioned, the permanent mandate for the Internet Governments Forum, the reaffirmation of the 2005 Tunis Principles and the clear statement that the IGF is the primary forum for Internet Government Dialogue, those are really good results that as I say, they were not automatic that we were going to achieve those, so I think we should bear that in mind. In terms of, you said, in terms of sort of forward measurable, so obviously here we are this week at the WSIS Forum, what have we got coming up? We've got the plenipotentiary We think in Doha, but that seems to be an interesting question at the moment. We've got the IGF in Kenya. We've got the GDC review. There's a few things that I would sort of pull out. I think one of the real milestones is how successful are we in genuinely increasing wider stakeholder participation, particularly from G77 countries, particularly by small and medium sized enterprises, including, you know, particularly increased diversity, younger people, women, etc. And I think one measure of that, you know, I think we're extremely fortunate the next IGF will be in Kenya. And I think that's an excellent opportunity to to demonstrate that and to see greater G77 participation. So I have lots of lots more to say, but I don't want to extend my answer any further. But yeah. I'll stop you there. That's the one milestone I pick out. Thank you.
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Ms. Desiree Miloshevic Evans
Thank you so much. Let's move on to Matthew Shears, who's a board member of the Internet Society chapter. Matthew is joining us on online. So, Matthew, just to see with the technicians whether we could hear you and see you. Yes, we can see you. Welcome. We can see me. Can you hear me? We can hear you and yes, and we can see you as well. Super. So, that's great. Since you have been following these processes, you have a diverse experience serving on the ICANN Board, but also on the Chapter Board and the UK. But you followed most of the governance processes for a long time. I would like to know perhaps your opinion on how coherent implementation would take place between the global digital compact that we now have, the global AI dialogue, and that we have the WSIS process, that we have the WSIS framework with action lines, that we have a really good IGF ecosystem. What are your initial thoughts? How to align all these processes? For the benefit of moving forward.
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Mr. Matthew Shears
The benefit of moving forward. Thanks, Desiree. I seem rather large in the screen. It's nice to see everybody, and thank you very much for inviting me to speak on this issue. We have great opportunity, and we also have some troubling past behaviors that we could easily slip into in this process going forward. The WSISM plus 20 and the GEC have much in common. They overlap in parts. They differ in other parts. But the way I would look at it is there is significant opportunity, and it's very much up to stakeholders to grasp that opportunity rather than to fall back into our somewhat isolated tracks, which is an easy and... all too often common way of approaching these kinds of policy issues. So let me talk about the opportunity, but let me also talk about the possibilities of fragmentation and other challenges. So the opportunity is significant. If you go back and look at the GDC, you look at Article 68, there's an explicit ask, an explicit expectation, I would say, that the IGF and the WSIS will be core components of implementing the GDC. And this is something we can't take lightly or for granted. We need to actually work to make this happen. It's a great opportunity, but it can be, as I said, easily thwarted if we think about these things in the ways we have in the past. So the challenge that we pose to me is one of the challenges. The opportunities, or I should say, what are the challenges of fragmentation and duplication? The biggest problem is, I think, it's really that we continue to see these as processes that are not linked. that these are processes that will go on in their own ways. They will not be sufficiently aligned at the senior level. And the opportunities for the IGF and its multi -stakeholder processes will not be realized. I think what we have to come out of the IGDC seeing is that the multi -stakeholder process is something now that has credibility in the eyes of many. It's achieved a level of standing in the international policy circles related to the internet and development. And so these are things that we really need to look at. How do we take this forward? The problem that we have is really how do we convince and how do we work with all these myriad of players now who are involved in the GDC and the limited time frame that we have between now, 2027, and then 2030. So I think this is one of the ways of doing this is actually saying, okay, how does the WSIS and how does the IGF make the most of this opportunity? And one of the things that we might want to reflect upon is how do we encourage the IGFs in the future to pick up on the many themes that require multi -stakeholder engagement that have been outlined in the GDC? There are issue sets in there that have not typically been addressed by the IGF in the past, but that makes it all the more of an opportunity, and it also makes it something, a space where the multi -stakeholder model can truly bring its expertise to bear, where in many cases this has not been the case to date. So I think it's a great opportunity. The challenges are, as you've noted in the agenda, is that the duplication and fragmentation, but I think this is an opportunity to make the most of. It's not a time when we need to revert back into our traditional modes of operating, but rather to see this as an opportunity to take forward the multi -stakeholder model with the new credibility that it has and the new awareness of it. Part of the WSIS process has been recognized in the GDC.
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Ms. Desiree Miloshevic Evans
Thank you for your questions Matthew very good so we started with the expectations and what been delivered and that we are all surprised with a good outcome and now you mentioned challenges and the way forward that everyone needs to pull together that is a great opportunity so you are seeing this milestone as an opportunity it's a call for action. I'm going to turn next to Marcus Kuma who is an expert in IGF and probably needs no introduction he was the father of the IGF ecosystem serving as secretariat for the first five years and setting the values of what the IGF system perhaps looks like today and followed its evolvement by being the chair of the MAG and so on. Marcus in your view what should be let's say in the next five years if you could project that long first to reflect upon the evolution and then perhaps later or now what should be the key successes for the IGF ecosystem to evolve?
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Mr. Markus Kummer
Can you hear me? Yes. Well, thank you for the introduction and it gives me great pleasure to be here and it's actually very easy to build on what Paul has said and what Matthew has said and Paul has outlined very articulate way the achievements of the WSIS Plus 20 review and I would add to that also the recognition of the WSIS Plus 20 review that the IGF is no longer a standalone annual meeting but is at the center of a vibrant ecosystem with intersessional work and the recognition also of national and regional initiatives and all the intersessional work from the policy networks, best practice forums and also the dynamic coalition. I think that is a big recognition of all the work that has been done. Now, looking forward... And again, I share Matthew's concern about the potential of fragmentation of the different processes. and I see the IGF very much as the glue holding the processes together. That brings us also back to the question, what is internet governance? Some people try to say it's different from digital governance, but to be frank, we don't have a definition of digital governance, but we do have a definition of internet governance, and we have a definition that is at a fairly high level of abstraction, but what it means in practice is we deal with the physical infrastructure, the cables, the nuts and bolts, the logical infrastructures, the names and addresses, and then the use and abuse of the internet. And AI was not an issue when we came up with the definition, but AI is included in that definition. So let's not make a dichotomy between the various processes, but it all falls under the broad heading of Internet governance. Internet governance is not just about small technical, important technical issues such as names and numbers, but it's much broader the definition. We have that that was agreed by the UN member states and confirmed by the General Assembly in many resolutions. So let's stick to that. And then going forward, I think, again, the big achievement of this is plus 20 is it's a permanent mandate. Before, we always had to struggle for a renewal of the mandate. So there was always sort of what we need to do to make sure the mandate gets renewed. So that pressure is off. So that means the IJF can be much freer and also, I would hope, bolder in what it's doing. But it also may be. Needs consolidation. I referred to the many intersessional processes, but they are built on voluntary collaboration of a bunch of volunteers, but they don't have some legal personality, and that is also a challenge because working very closely with some of the NRIs, for them it's difficult then to enter in a contractual arrangement because, legally speaking, they don't exist. Many of them, they have to bank on to an existing entity, often an internet society chapter, but also sometimes it's a government agency, all that, but precisely because they see the same challenge. The same goes for the dynamic coalitions. It's a bunch of volunteers doing voluntary work, but if they want to embark on a more ambitious project where maybe money is involved, they need to enter. If they want to enter into contractual arrangements, then it gets very challenging. So this is something... I think we need to look at internally how to consolidate these processes. There's no easy solution, and that can be – it's also different from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, but these are complex issues, but this is one of the challenges ahead. But my take on that would be, you know, consolidation of what we have and make it more stable going the way forward. It's always building on the bottom -up voluntary nature of the IGF and make sure there's no top -down taking control.
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Ms. Desiree Miloshevic Evans
Thank you, Marcus, for these concrete ideas on consolidation with all the – care that is needed to go forward and reminding us of this permanent mandate brings additional challenge to really keep the bottom -up nature of the IGF ecosystem. That brings me to our next speaker from civil society perspective. It's a pleasure to introduce Valerie Betancourt from Association for Progressive Communications. You're the governance lead there. From the civil society point of view, what are the priorities or major accountability gaps that you see in order that we need to overcome to get to some milestone or further processes?
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Ms. Valeria Betancourt
Thank you so much, Desiree, and the organizers of the session to take part of this very relevant conversation. Obviously, there are clear wins in steaming out of the WSIS Plus 20 review. Some have mentioned already the mandate for the IGF, the integrated approach to the implementation of the WSIS -GDC and others, but there are also very significant regrets, like the gender integration into the process. And the one that I want to focus on is the lack of serious commitment with the funding situation, the fundraising, the funding, the achievement of the WSIS vision and the implementation of the action lines in tandem with the Global Digital Compact. So that is, from the point of view of the APC and other civil society actors, one of the main gaps and challenges that we have ahead. Obviously, as part of the WSIS Plus 20 review process, a crucial step forward is the creation of the interagency task force on financing. And we have, obviously, a lot of expectations that the establishment of this multistakeholder consulting group. will not only strengthen the multistakeholder engagement and contribution to the task force, but also help us to make the connections of this issue with several other challenges that we have at the structural level, including the fact that meaningful connectivity is not yet there for a big portion of the population. In our view, it is a crucial moment to develop a very granular understanding of what has not worked well in the past 20 years, and why are there still, as I mentioned, a third of the world not yet connected. So if we look at meaningful connectivity, obviously the amount of people that are not connected, not still benefiting from digital technology, increases. So although we are making progress in various fronts, including initiatives that are precisely led by civil society organizations and the technical community, that are kind of driving force around some financing advocacy initiatives. And despite the fact that there is some progress in terms of, for instance, incentivizing conversations around the need to finance local networks to bridge the digital gap, the progress that has been made is quite small and very small steps. So not only is it low, but also very tiny steps. So this is important to bring the commitments of the GDC and the WCIS in relation to these issues, again, and put them on the table very clearly and strongly. So in our view, just very quickly, the task force, the milestone that we want to see, obviously this ANGIS task force on financing opens a very unique opportunity. to make creative options for the future. But in order to do that, it has to be informed by the past. So the task force, in our view, should not approach the financing of the WSIS and the GDC from the point of view of the development agencies, but rather from the point of view of the recipients. And this includes not only developing countries, but also the small actors, the small implementers. So the task force could perhaps map what are the approaches that have been working in other fields and how to extrapolate those to the implementation of the WSIS and the GDC. It could perhaps look at the gaps in the existing financial arrangements, landscape, it could identify what are the most effective mechanisms for the implementation of the WSIS. the funding to flow because there is the assumption that the funds are there, the financing is there and is not there. And there is also the challenge that is related to this one is that there is a lack of understanding of the huge role that civil society plays in the implementation of the WSIS and the GDC, particularly in context in which the state is weak. But for the civil society to be able to meaningfully engage with implementation, funding has to be there and is simply not there. So let me leave it at this point for now and then I can perhaps elaborate a bit more on how we see steps moving forward in this regard.
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Ms. Desiree Miloshevic Evans
Thank you so much for sharing those insights. What's important for civil society? So you took us across the whole spectrum, not just the recipients. Of the benefits. and countries and developing nations, but also civil society as a stakeholder. And you continue to work on this as a milestone. I'm going to jump the queue and maybe go to Charles Noir, who is the vice president with CIRA, his vice president on investment advocacy and policy, community investment policy and advocacy. So my question to you would be beyond government, civil society, what would be the role for the technical community to contribute and have an role in the next phase to speed up implementation? And feel free to mention milestones as well. Welcome, Charles.
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Dr. Charles Noir
Thank you very much. And thank you for having CIRA and for me being here. This is great. I'd like to start off by saying that huge agreement with a lot of what's been said already. I think. That. That represents the fact that there is alignment, at least in concept, right across the stakeholder groups for the most part. One thing that I would add that we were very pleased to see in the final document was the recognition of the technical community as a unique stakeholder, not just the tri -party. And that was something through the technical coalition, community coalition on multi -stakeholderism, which is 45 technical operators that have come together, certainly argued for and felt. We were very pleased and CIRA was very pleased to see that, what we thought progress making it into the document in the end. So, you know, I think in terms of I agree with what's been said, we need to really think about duplication. We really need to think about how many organizations are involved. Now, the degree of topics that we're spanning in this technical community or as a technical operator, CIRA is looking most forward to doing what we've always done, which is to bring practical. expertise into the policy discussion, right? And so we're working with, for example, our government very closely and other governments to provide that what, you know, we can argue whether there's neutral advice here or not, but we like to see ourselves as fairly neutral operators that can get into the policy conversation early enough so that when the outcomes are produced, we can implement some of that. And so in terms of speeding it up or meeting the SDGs and everything that we're trying to do broad strokes throughout the WSIS and the political momentum that we gained with the GDC, as a technical operator, we really see ourselves at CIRA as being able to implement at the infrastructure layer the necessary conditions, the technologies that deliver on hopefully all of what we're trying to do. We see ourselves as supporting all stakeholders in that process by being able to bring that expertise to the table, highlighting when proposals might not make a lot of sense. and really also recognizing the incredible structure that we've already developed in this multi -stakeholder model, whereby we have technical organizations like ICANN, we have ISOC on another field, we have a lot of players that understand particular areas very well, and we look forward to representing that in the policy discussion so that, again, we can implement at a technical level eventually the outcomes of the policy decisions that are moving. So, I would add just on that, one of the big milestones for me would be I would really like to see us really concentrate on meaningful outcomes from the IGF.
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Ms. Desiree Miloshevic Evans
Thank you for those insights as well. Our next discussant and speaker is Dr. Jimson Olufe. I could give you my seat, or if you have a mic and sit here. He comes from Nigeria. He's very active. He's the CEO of a private company. And you have a vast experience in all these processes, translating. commitments into national strategies. So from your point of view, bringing the perspective of a private sector company in a developing world, what do you think would be possibly the most urgent national implementation of the WSIS and GDC commitments that need to be translated?
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Dr. Jimson Olufuye
Thank you very much, Desiree, and greetings, everyone. I would like to say first and foremost, plus one, to all that has been said, particularly what Marcus mentioned with regard to the IGF has been the central point. Developing countries do not have so much resources to be moving from here and there, but IGF has been that rallying point for us to really discuss this issue. Specifically, developing countries will be looking forward to full implementation of the WSIS Plus 20 outcome document, full implementation. And number one, with regard to the multi-stakeholder approach, the document recognized the Sao Paulo multi-stakeholder guidelines, recognized power asymmetric. And based on that, those are better resourced, be able to bring on board other stakeholders. Thank you. so that message needs to be passed across to all developing countries as well in terms of regulation when they are coming up with regulation they should not just sit down in their offices and then come up with something for the economy they should bring all the stakeholders together they can use things like the sandboxes approach so that we can get smart regulation to address many sectoral issues maybe finance, maybe telecom maybe in health or agricultural application and by so doing there will be a sense of ownership and then we can actually achieve what we are targeting the sustainable development goal I think the whole essence of this is so that we can still achieve the sustainable development goal then also we need that we should share the success stories that we have we have a number of success stories for example last year Nigeria launched its national payment stack and that brought in all payments of fintech traditional banks all microfinance or payment infrastructure under one single gateway and you can achieve instant payment across all sectors and that boosts inclusivity. So we can actually help project that so that other developing countries, because in Africa about 54 countries need to get that success story across. Then I think Valeria mentioned the issue of blended financial mechanism. I believe maybe by the time ITU has been mandated to come up with the tax force, mandated to come up with the best financial mechanism, I think they can really help developing countries to fine -tune their kind of financial processes, blended finance so that they can easily implement projects that will be result -oriented, not the one that may be hanged somewhere. Then lastly, outcome document also mentioned the issue of statistics we normally just get coverage 91%, 95 % but about meaningful access so we need the national statistical organization to be empowered so they can be assisted they can be provided with support not just funding but even technical support to get those data even household consumption of these devices of this good broadband access and not just fiber fiber cable, how many layers but meaningful engagement in the process so that is what just say for now, thank you.
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Ms. Desiree Miloshevic Evans
Thank you for mentioning good data in order to work on milestones last but not discussion is Dr. Yik Chan at the table there she is a a a And she's a project lead on AI with the University, the United Nations University in Macau. And your field is really what you are working on is since your project on AI, I will ask you a question. How can AI governance be more integrated into the WSIS framework without creating parallel tracks or competing governance structures? Thank you and welcome.
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Dr. Yik Chan Chin
Yes, thank you, Desiree. Yeah, I think as we know that, I think I fully agree with other speakers' point of view. I think we all that the GDC created two mechanisms and global AI dialogue and the independent panel. But at the same time, they also created audit, you know, the Office for Digital and Emerging Technology to advance the inclusive, right -based, multi -stakeholder digital collaboration. And also, that's already have a UNHCR. agent so UN interagents working group on artificial intelligence which is coordinated by the ITU and the UNESCO. So there's some new mechanism created by the GDC but there's also existing mechanism within the UN itself and the last two days during the AI global dialogue we actually heard the creation of a new initiative probably you heard that like AI governance for humanity night and AI for good global commission yeah you know the AI for good global commission is quite an ambitious one and the UN AI resource hub and also the global network of center for exchange and collaboration in AI capacity building and extras. So we see you know during these two days last three days we see the new initiative emerged through the global AI dialogue. So I think the question for us is quite interesting. The question is what the synergies are with the about the GDC and the existing and the new structure, you know, evolving from the GDC, and what is the role of the IGF. So, and first of all, before I talk about the role of the IGF, I would like to give you some initial conclusion of the Global Air Dialogue. So, there's several conclusions from the Global Air Dialogue. The first one, they say that the dialogue is not to replace the existing mechanism, but it's to collect, you know, the existing mechanism and force the mutual learning and strengthen the complementary narratives. And the second thing, they say it very explicitly, is that the focus will not focus on, like, abstract principle commitment, but it's shift from the abstract to operational government structures. And the third one is, they say, it's inclusive participation and interoperability. And multi -stakeholder is crucial, you know. for the effective global governance and also the multilateral collaborations. So in the end, what they want from us is they want we prepared, concrete, named, supported, and result -oriented commitment, not like a principle for the second UN Global Air Dialogue, which is in May 2027 in New York. So this is what we are going to do within this six months. That's not one year. So in relation to that, I think what the IGA or the WICs could do, from my experience, I've been involved at IGA for 16 years. So I think one thing I would really want to urge is the IGA can work more closely with the ODET or the UN Inter -Asian Working Group. to monitor the implementation of GDC. like Matthew said, the monetary duties or the responsibilities, the mandate of the IGF. So how can we function, you know, and our role to monitor the implementation? Actually, we have to work with the audit and the UN Interagents Working Group. I think the second thing is more importantly, for my experience, by involving with the IGF over more than 16 years, I think there's a problem with the, how can I say, we need to consolidate IGF resource, just like Marcos mentioned. And more importantly, to have more effective mechanism, including the effective governance structure and leadership, you know. And so including findings, how can we more effective to connect and reach out to other AI governance agent. Yeah, that's very important.
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Ms. Desiree Miloshevic Evans
I'm going to put you on hold before I come back to you. Thank you for sharing all these very important news. Thank you. So I would just before I ask Olivier is there any questions or comments online
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Dr. Olivier Crépin-Leblond
It does work thank you Desiree there's no comments online but I was just going to remind you we've also got ISOC that has a paper a non -paper that is ready so maybe I don't know when you want to call to say 30 seconds words on this we will open it for comments from the floor.
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Ms. Desiree Miloshevic Evans
Yes the Internet Society has a paper how everyone should work together so I could invite someone from the Internet Society perhaps Carl to take there's a rowing mic.
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Audience
Thank you very much and thank you very much to the panelists for this excellent session always great to see a lot of ISOC faces up there as mentioned I did want to make a sort of shameless plug for a non -paper that we recently published that is also reflecting I think a lot of what was mentioned on the panel today, which is not that much of a surprise because it's built on input from our community to large part. One of the elements that I wanted to also speak about, which we talk about in this non -paper, is the need to sort of improve our efforts to implement the action lines. We talk a lot about the opportunities to improve the IGF, et cetera, but in our view, the IGF is working quite well. There is opportunities to improve the IGF and sort of leverage it further, but the part of the WSIS process that we see in grave need of further work is really the implementation of the action lines. And one of the recommendations that we have in this non -paper is to really focus our efforts on developing good roadmaps because that is, in our view, an important tool to foster both sort of focus of the conversations, make sure that we have clear targets, but I think importantly also a bit of accountability for these commitments, that unless we have these roadmaps, unless we have a shared opportunity, understanding of kind of what needs to be done. a year -to -year basis almost, there's a risk that we simply don't progress as much as we should. So we welcome people to have a look at this non -paper, and we would love to have further feedback on it and see how it can be further improved. But thank you very much for this session, and looking forward for further discussions, thank you.
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Ms. Desiree Miloshevic Evans
Thank you for doing this community survey, and maybe you can put a link to the non -paper in the chat. It would be useful.
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Dr. Olivier Crépin-Leblond
And Desiree, there's a late question that's arrived.
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Ms. Desiree Miloshevic Evans
There's a late question. Maybe we could just first see before we open the floor for questions. Please go ahead. Yes, we'll give the...
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Dr. Olivier Crépin-Leblond
Okay, so it's from Perry Esfandiari, and well, there's two questions. I know there is, it's the same. If the emphasis is shifting from abstract principles to operational governance, what mechanisms will ensure that implementation remains accountable to the values those principles were intended to protect rather than simply becoming an exercise in institutional coordination?
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Ms. Desiree Miloshevic Evans
Thank you for reading out Pari's question and Pari thank you for joining us and having that question we're going to hold that question on to just collect a few more as we have only a few minutes before the end of the session there's one at the back. F
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Dr. Olivier Crépin-Leblond
lying mic is that Wout?
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Audience
I think so I think it is Wout Nathans van der Borg working with the dynamic coalition of internet standards etc having heard a lot of what has been said that I think we're talking about two different topics one is the day of the week IGF and the other is all the intersectional work that is going on and how does that align the other side is what is happening on the outside and what Matthew was saying and I think also Paul said on the panel how is the outside coming in and become part of what our output is going to be so does that take another form of organization of the IGF to make sure that all aligns. So does the MAG need to have a different sort of mandate or do we need, what Wolfgang Kleinwacht always said, have liaisons from the MAG to other organizations? And they are there because they are representing, between brackets already, these sort of communities. So let me stop there, but I think the theme is reorganization.
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Ms. Desiree Miloshevic Evans
Thank you for pointing that out. I will let someone answer that question. I think we are not focusing only on IGF, and we also have somebody from the Secretariat, and there is a report from the expert group meeting pointing out to these weaknesses you've just mentioned. So I'll see if anyone wants to first go with Mark's question, perhaps Marcus or Charles, in terms of this IGF looking forward and connecting to the broader UN agency. how that consolidation or milestone.
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Mr. Markus Kummer
Yes, I mean, that's obviously the IGF is not in a vacuum and needs to connect, but we do have a mechanism in place. That is the UNGIS, the UN Interagency Coordination, and the IGF secretariat is involved there, and there will be a new multi -stakeholder addition to the UNGIS, and that is obviously important for the IGF to connect to the other processes out there. Now, how this will be done, it's really up to the IGF community to define, and the MAG has already started its process and is looking at these issues, and I'm confident that the current MAG, full of dynamism, will find pragmatic solutions on how best, to achieve this, but it is... work in progress and it's part of the consolidation. I hope.
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Ms. Desiree Miloshevic Evans
Thank you, Marcus, for those thoughts. I hope that is clear. Before we ask any speakers to perhaps reflect of what's been said or the closing part, if anyone would like to also address the question from Pari Esfandir about accountability, I welcome. Yes, Valerie, since like you like to.
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Ms. Valeria Betancourt
For sure. I think two things, at least. I think the pragmatic application of the multi -stakeholder model is needed, acknowledging that it is not serving the interests of all the stakeholders similarly. So I think a critical approach to understand what are the real dynamics of power that are permeating an effective and more meaningful application of the multi -stakeholder model is needed. That's one thing that will obviously increase accountability. I concur completely with ISOC, and I think the annum paper is going to be very valuable because the roadmaps for implementation of national levels, obviously that will come with a layer of accountability. But let me also insist on the issue that I want to stress, which is the urgent need for financial ecosystems at all levels that are viable, that are innovative, demand -driven initiatives, drawing on public, private, but also community -based sources. And this has a very important element of public accountability as well, as defining the public interest. So when I'm talking about the finance... the financing ecosystem, I'm not only referring to the possibility to throw money to specific sectors, but actually enabling all the necessary conditions in a very intentional manner to build a more sustainable ecosystem that could ensure the availability of investment, public sector support, direct private sector financing, funding for startups, alongside financing mechanisms at all levels that operate within and beyond the public sector, and that allow resources to flow between the different spheres. So there is a very important element of accountability that comes to that, and that is essentially non -negotiable. I mean, the implementation of the WSIS action lines and the GDC objectives. Without financial mechanisms and this financial environment is a non negotiable and is not visible without it.
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Ms. Desiree Miloshevic Evans
Thank you, Valerie. Yes. I'm going to ask also our speakers if they have any final thoughts, starting with Jimson.
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Dr. Jimson Olufuye
Thank you very much just to simply say that all of us here need to consider ourselves as WSIS champions and as champions we should go ahead and be the evangelists ensuring that the agreed principles are implemented especially the South Pole multi -stakeholder guideline, thank you.
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Ms. Desiree Miloshevic Evans
Thank you Jason for being brief Dr. Yip Chan.
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Dr. Yik Chan Chin
I think the IGF is the only multi -stakeholder mechanism in the UN system so we need to utilize our resource conservatively effectively to hold the AI governance process accountable, thank you.
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Ms. Desiree Miloshevic Evans
Thank you, Charles.
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Dr. Charles Noir
Certainly, just a quick note on the last piece, I think we part of what we do in the multi -stakeholder governance system so well is we have an opportunity to keep each other co -accountability is important right we have to be brave enough to bring those issues to the table when we meet in forums like this so I would say let's exercise what works in this governance system and that part of that is core countability.
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Ms. Desiree Miloshevic Evans
Thank you for this thought Paul.
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Mr. Paul Gaskell
A couple of quick thoughts and a really interesting conversation fully agree about the WSIS action lines and the roadmap being a bit of WSIS that is underappreciated so totally agree with that point I think now that it's got a permanent mandate I would like to see the IGF have a more focused practical concrete outcomes and I think we should begin with that in Kenya I'd like to see that on funding you know obviously let's wait for the outcome of the task force but there is a recognition clearly the secretariat is underpowered and that would be beneficial but I would also say and this is my personal view but you know multi -stakeholder organisation funding should also be multi-stakeholder.
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Ms. Desiree Miloshevic Evans
Thank you Paul I'm going to ask Matthew online if he wishes to say anything in closing.
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Mr. Matthew Shears
Yeah, thanks, Desiree. Just a couple of quick thoughts. I think the opportunity for the IGF is significant, but also it's going to take a lot of work. There's an institutional coordination challenge, which I think Pari was talking about in her question, which can be something that can be overwhelming in terms of it sitting within the UN system now. So I think that's something that has to be worked at. And I think also there's an opportunity for the IGF to extol its multi -stakeholder credentials within the UN system. At the same time, but that means that we cannot lose sight of the local importance, the national IGFs and the inputs that they have. So I think if you balance all those pieces, there's a lot of work and opportunity ahead for the IGF. So I don't envy those who are leading the IGF, but I think at the same time, it's a fantastic opportunity, thanks.
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Ms. Desiree Miloshevic Evans
Thank you, Matthew. I'm going back to the IGF being the glue and Marcus.
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Mr. Markus Kummer
Nothing really to add but just to build on what Matthew said there is a huge opportunity for the IGF to fill this space and to really connect the dots in the various initiatives.
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Ms. Desiree Miloshevic Evans
Thank you, finally I hope you found this session informative and insightful as I did and I hope that this is not the end of our discussion, we have chapters in all our places and many coalitions of the technical community, civil society so I think we need to roll up our sleeves and help paint that implementation roadmap together, I would really like you to thank all our panelists and speakers and you for being the great participants.

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