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WSIS Action Line C9: Media - Towards Resilient Information Ecosystems in Times of Crisis: Rethinking ‘Preparedness’ in Digital Governance

6 speakers
Summary

This discussion was held as part of the WSIS Action Line C9 review process and focused on the challenges of maintaining trustworthy information ecosystems and media resilience during crisis situations, including armed conflict, natural disasters, and pandemics . The moderator, Guilherme Canela de Souza Godoi, framed the session by pointing out that the digital transformation has not brought greater plurality of voices, but also intensified threats to information integrity, with independent journalism being more important than ever. .

Professor Ingrid Volkmer presented findings from a survey of 200 regulatory experts worldwide, revealing significant governance gaps: 61% of respondents said their regulatory frameworks did not include provisions for crisis situations , a majority reported not addressing transnational digital infrastructures such as cloud computing and satellites in crisis communication planning , and 71% indicated no privacy protections were in place for citizens using digital data sources during crises . She argued that digital regulation in crisis constitutes an entirely new regulatory space requiring fresh tools and approaches .

Giulio Coppi highlighted how the humanitarian space has been transformed by the digitisation of aid delivery, the militarisation of civilian digital systems, and the explosion of disinformation, warning that AI acts as 'an accelerator in an explosive mix' . He called for rejecting claims of the dual-use nature of ICT systems and for reclaiming the protected status of civilian digital infrastructure and the individuals who maintain it .

Dr Charles Lewis, speaking from South Africa, emphasised the need for regulators to act as 'custodians of information resilience' , stressing that crisis communication must be multi-channel, location-based, and delivered in indigenous languages . Maksym Dvorovyi described Ukraine's experience, noting that while some preparatory legislative steps were taken between 2014 and 2022 , cooperation with major tech platforms had largely collapsed by 2025, with platforms such as Telegram never responding even during the full-scale invasion .

Participants broadly agreed that existing national and international legal frameworks are insufficient, and that a global framework for platform governance - centred on enhanced due diligence obligations and specific crisis governance provisions - is increasingly necessary . Audience contributions further underscored the importance of protecting local journalists during crises and preserving crisis communications for post-event accountability , reinforcing the session's conclusion that protecting information ecosystems in times of crisis requires urgent, coordinated, and rights-based action across all stakeholders.

Keypoints
  • Overall Purpose

  • The discussion is a structured panel session focused on the challenges of maintaining trustworthy information ecosystems, media integrity, and crisis communication in the digital age. Specifically, it examines how the principles of the WSIS Action Line C9 (media and access to information) apply under crisis conditions - including armed conflict, natural disasters, and pandemics - and what regulatory, humanitarian, and governance frameworks are needed to address these challenges.
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  • Major Discussion Points

  • The evolution of information ecosystems and the concept of 'information integrity': The moderator contextualised the session by noting that the media landscape has changed dramatically since the WSIS process began 20 years ago, shifting from legacy media governance to a complex digital ecosystem. The UN has introduced the concept of 'information integrity' to connect the protection of information producers, media literacy, platform governance, and digital infrastructure into a coherent framework.
  • Regulatory gaps in crisis communication: Prof. Ingrid Volkmer presented findings from a survey of 200 regulatory experts worldwide, revealing significant governance deficiencies. A majority of respondents (61%) reported that new regulatory approaches do not include provisions for times of crisis, a majority said transnational infrastructures such as cloud computing and satellites are not addressed in crisis communication debates, and 71% reported no provisions to protect privacy rights during crises. Prof. Volkmer pointed out that these findings point to a systemic absence of data governance infrastructure capable of supporting crisis response. - The humanitarian dimension of digital crisis communication: Giulio Coppi outlined how the digital communication layer now hosts not only information but also life-saving services and rights-enabling functionalities, fundamentally transforming the humanitarian space. Key trends include shrinking humanitarian access, the digitisation of aid delivery, dependence on big tech cloud providers, the militarisation of civilian digital systems, and the spread of disinformation accelerated by AI. He argued that journalists and local digital rights activists are currently filling critical protection gaps at great personal cost. - The accountability deficit of private digital platforms in conflict zones: Maksym Dvorovyi described Ukraine's experience, noting that while some preparatory legislative steps were taken between 2014 and 2022 to restrict Russian-linked media and platforms, cooperation with major private tech platforms has deteriorated significantly. By 2025-2026, platforms show little willingness to engage with Ukrainian authorities, applying general policies rather than tailoring responses to crisis contexts. Telegram, in particular, was singled out as a platform that never responded even during the acute phase of the full-scale invasion. This led to a call for a global framework on platform governance with enhanced due diligence obligations and specific crisis governance provisions. - The need for structured, multi-channel, and locally adapted early warning systems: Dr. Charles Lewis emphasised that regulators must see themselves as "custodians of information resilience" and that effective crisis response requires preparedness, forecasting, community-level communication, and readiness to respond. He stressed that communications must be location-based, delivered in indigenous languages, and transmitted across multiple channels, including SMS, mobile networks, and WhatsApp. The key priority for South Africa is translating existing international guidance into properly institutionalised national structures. ---
  • Overall Tone

  • The overall tone of the discussion is serious, urgent, and constructive, with occasional moments of levity. The opening remarks establish a tone of informed concern, acknowledging both positive developments in digital access and the mounting threats to information integrity. As the panel progresses, the tone becomes increasingly sober and at times candid, particularly in Dvorovyi's testimony about Ukraine's deteriorating relationship with private platforms and Coppi's warning that the private sector will effectively become the arbiter of crisis communication if normative frameworks are not established. The audience contributions towards the end introduce a more critical and grassroots perspective, with a freelance journalist questioning whether government crisis communication has anything to do with journalism at all , and a participant from Iran highlighting the threat to media pluralism under crisis conditions. The closing remarks return to a forward-looking, collaborative tone, with the moderator pointing towards future work and a potential follow-up event in Nairobi.
Speakers Overview
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Mr. Guilherme Canela de Souza Godoi
141 wpm · 19 min
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Prof. Ingrid Volkmer
141 wpm · 6 min
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Mr. Giulio Coppi
155 wpm · 6 min
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Dr. Charles Lewis
147 wpm · 6 min
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Mr. Maksym Dvorovyi
153 wpm · 6 min
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Audience
157 wpm · 3 min

Expanded Summary: WSIS Action Line C9 - Information Integrity and Crisis Communication in the Digital Age

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Session Context and Framing

This panel session was convened as part of the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) Action Line C9 review process, which concerns media and access to information. The moderator, Guilherme Canela de Souza Godoi of UNESCO, introduced the session as part of the WSIS Action Line C9 review process and set the scene by reflecting on how dramatically the media and information ecosystem has changed since the WSIS process began twenty years ago . At that time, governance discussions were largely focused on what is now called legacy media; today, the conversation encompasses a vastly more complex digital environment involving platforms, artificial intelligence, satellite infrastructure, and cross-border information flows . To manage time, the moderator introduced a light-hearted football card system - a yellow card signalling one minute remaining and a red card requiring the speaker to stop - a device that proved both effective and occasionally contested .

The moderator framed the session's central concern as the concept of "information integrity", which the United Nations introduced during the WSIS twenty-year review process running alongside the Global Digital Compact . This concept connects multiple previously siloed domains: the protection of those who produce information (journalists, scientists, artists), media and information literacy, the governance of digital platforms and AI, and the management of digital infrastructure and archives . The moderator observed that while there are genuine positive developments in digital access and the plurality of voices online , these gains are offset by mounting threats to trustworthy information, spanning vaccines, elections, climate change, and financial matters . He captured the structural paradox at the heart of the session with a striking observation: independent investigative journalism is "more important than ever and has less money than ever" , a situation he described as tragically ironic and not limited to journalists alone .

A particularly memorable framing device was the moderator's observation that information integrity may be the only issue on which "bad guys and good guys agree" - the former seeking to attack it, the latter to protect it - underscoring that its strategic importance is universally acknowledged even by adversaries . The session deliberately chose not to take stock of all developments across the action line, but instead to zoom in on one specific and underexplored dimension: the particular challenges of maintaining information integrity in crisis scenarios, whether armed conflict, natural disaster, or pandemic .

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The Transformation of Crisis Communication: An Ecosystem Perspective

Professor Ingrid Volkmer of the University of Melbourne opened the substantive discussion by challenging the assumption that crisis communication is primarily about governments delivering national narratives to citizens. She argued that crisis communication now operates across digital and data ecosystems in which technologies take a central geopolitical role and can be weaponised, as can platforms . This means that governance can no longer be approached through siloed structures - regulating AI separately, addressing disinformation separately - but must treat the entire digital and data ecosystem as an integrated whole that is specifically activated and stressed during crises . She also drew attention to the emerging role of low-Earth orbit (LEO) satellites such as Starlink, noting that while they are new to this sphere, greater awareness of their role in specific crises is urgently needed . These data ecosystems, she argued, must be accountable and should not be treated as mere technical add-ons to crisis governance; they are, in fact, crucial for building crisis resilience in countries . Volkmer concluded that digital regulation in crisis constitutes an entirely new regulatory space, requiring new tools and approaches developed collaboratively by practitioners and academics .

Giulio Coppi, Senior Humanitarian Officer for AccessNow, extended this analysis by reframing the stakes of the conversation. He argued that the same technological communication layer now hosts not only information but also life-saving services, essential assets, and rights-enabling functionalities, representing a fundamentally transformed humanitarian space with multiple actors responding to different priorities and sometimes different ethical frameworks . He identified five key trends reshaping this space: increasing humanitarian needs combined with shrinking physical and digital access and funding, leading to greater isolation of local actors and dependence on remote communication tools ; the digitalisation of aid delivery, creating increasingly mediated relationships between aid organisations and communities ; the explosion of cloud computing, which entrenches dependence on big tech providers and worsens the extractive nature of aid data gathering ; the militarisation of commercial and civilian digital systems, enhancing vulnerability to cyber attacks, shutdowns, spyware, and surveillance ; and slow progress on protection standard development, resulting in insufficient data and evidence-based analysis to support digital-adapted protection strategies .

Coppi further highlighted a dimension that had received little attention in mainstream governance discussions: the risk to communities displaced by climate change or conflict who have turned to digital tools to preserve their culture, heritage, memory, and demographic documentation . If traditional humanitarian protection mandate holders do not recognise these as essential civilian assets worth protecting, digital transformation may paradoxically make such communities more vulnerable rather than ensuring their preservation . He also warned that the explosion of disinformation, misinformation, and hate speech in crisis situations - compounded by the normalised recourse to blanket internet shutdowns - corrals vulnerable people into untrusted information bubbles, and that AI, while not radically changing this dynamic, acts as "an accelerator in an explosive mix" . Coppi noted that signals of hope in humanitarian crisis communication come not from humanitarians - a self-critical acknowledgement - but from journalists and local digital rights activists filling the gap at great personal and professional cost with very limited support . His call to "reclaim the protected nature of our digital, civilian digital information and digital ecosystem, and of those individuals that are working to make it accessible, reliable, and safe for everyone in times of crisis" was one of the session's most direct normative statements.

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Empirical Evidence: Regulatory Gaps Revealed by Survey Data

Professor Volkmer presented findings from a survey conducted in cooperation with UNESCO among two hundred regulatory experts across the world, designed to understand how governments manage crisis communication and what their perceptions of their own capacities are . The results were striking in their consistency. When asked whether new regulatory approaches include provisions for times of crisis, a majority of sixty-one per cent said no or did not know, a finding Volkmer described as reflecting a deeper absence of data governance infrastructure capable of supporting crisis response . A second question asked whether regulators address transnational infrastructures such as cloud computing services and satellites in crisis communication debates; again, a majority said no or did not know, underscoring a significant gap in attention to critical infrastructures . A third question on whether initiatives exist to protect privacy rights when citizens use digital data sources during crises found that seventy-one per cent reported no or did not know, representing what Volkmer called another urgent governance gap .

Beyond these specific findings, Volkmer reported that survey respondents expressed a broader uncertainty about technological roles, reflecting capacity gaps, organisational silos, unclear legal frameworks, and a lack of pre-existing partnerships with platforms and infrastructure providers . This points to a systemic rather than merely technical problem: the architecture of national governance itself may be inadequate for managing cross-border digital crises.

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The Regulatory Perspective: South Africa's Experience

Dr Charles Lewis, Counsellor at the Independent Communications Authority of South Africa (ICASA), speaking online, offered a practitioner's perspective on the role of ICT regulators in crisis preparedness and response. He described South Africa's experience with a range of emergencies - floods, civil disturbances, fires, and COVID-19 - all of which resulted in loss of life, damage to infrastructure, and disruption of services . He outlined the international frameworks being developed in response, including ITU work in 2023, a SADC national emergency telecommunications plan published in 2024, and South Africa's own incipient Early Warning for All initiative .

Lewis argued that effective crisis communication requires attention to four pillars: preparedness (identifying and analysing risks, setting up structures and processes in advance) ; forecasting and monitoring (detecting and tracking emerging threats) ; communication and warning (reaching communities and individuals when disaster strikes) ; and readiness to respond, including testing systems before they are needed . He emphasised the importance of proper testing, noting that poorly managed tests - such as instances where citizens were woken in the middle of the night by alerts that were not intended to be sent - illustrate the risks of inadequate preparation. He emphasised that regulators must see themselves as "custodians of information resilience", needing to be flexible and capable of reacting and recovering quickly . Critically, he stressed that crisis communication must be people-focused, reaching communities in the languages they speak - a particular challenge in South Africa with eleven official languages - and must use a multiplicity of channels including SMS, mobile networks, and WhatsApp . His key priority for South Africa was translating existing theory and international guidance into properly institutionalised national structures, with clear roles and responsibilities established before the next disaster strikes .

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Ukraine's Experience: Platform Accountability in Wartime

Maksym Dvorovyi, Senior Legal Counsel at the Digital Security Lab in Ukraine, provided the session's most direct testimony from an crisis context. He described how, in the eight years between 2014 and 2022, Ukraine undertook preparatory legislative steps to address Russian information threats, including restricting Russian-linked legacy media and blocking key Russian platforms such as VKontakte, Odnoklassniki, Mail.ru, and Yandex . He argued that these steps had a measurable positive effect: when parts of Ukraine were occupied following the full-scale invasion in 2022, people in cities such as Kherson and Zaporizhia came out to protest the occupation, suggesting that Russian media influence had been at least partially limited . Ukraine also undertook a broader review of legislation aligned with EU accession processes, adding specific provisions to combat what it termed "aggressor states" .

However, Dvorovyi was candid about the limitations of these preparations, particularly regarding cooperation with private technology platforms. While many platforms initially coordinated with Ukrainian authorities in 2022 - banning accounts of prominent propaganda spreaders and taking actions that later influenced EU-level decisions - Dvorovyi acknowledged that while these EU-level actions were "quite questionable in the EU context", they were nonetheless helpful for the Ukrainian population. This cooperation gradually declined to almost nothing . By the time of the session, there was no significant willingness on the part of private companies to engage in dialogue with Ukrainian legislators, with platforms applying general global policies rather than tailoring them to crisis contexts . Telegram was singled out as a particularly problematic case: it possesses the largest news influence in Ukraine, allows anonymous sources to flourish, and never responded even during the acute phase of the full-scale invasion . Dvorovyi concluded that some platforms had simply chosen to be irresponsible, and that Ukraine currently has no mechanisms to hold them to any form of accountability .

The moderator drew a lesson from this testimony, recalling that when UNESCO began developing guidelines for platform governance, advocates of self-regulation had argued for keeping governance discussions focused on voluntary compliance - and the Ukrainian experience demonstrated the consequences when governance relies solely on goodwill . This framing reinforced the broader session argument that voluntary compliance frameworks are structurally insufficient in crisis contexts.

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Platform Accountability, Digital Sovereignty, and the Case for Global Governance Frameworks

The question of platform accountability emerged as one of the session's central themes, with multiple speakers converging on the view that existing frameworks - national, regional, and voluntary - have proven inadequate. Coppi warned that without normative frameworks and regulatory intervention to embed humanitarian communication channels into policy discussions, the private sector will by default decide when communication is useful and when it is not, when it is a priority and when it is not, resulting in what he called "policy by third party" . He called for rights to be placed back at the centre of the communication environment and for systems to be protected through redundancy and rights-protected normative frameworks that will survive the first crisis .

In his closing remarks, Coppi introduced a conceptual challenge to the widely used but often vaguely defined concept of "digital sovereignty". He argued that digital sovereignty comes with responsibilities, and that any serious discussion of it must include a frank examination of what it means in terms of protecting people's rights in the digital space, particularly in times of crisis . This encompasses the right to connectivity, to receive and transmit news, to maintain contact with loved ones, to preserve cultural memory, and to keep civilian data flowing . He observed that much of the existing discussion has become stuck on the tension between the rights of individuals and the capacity of governments to shut down information flows, and that without a frank resolution of this tension through normative frameworks, the private sector will fill the vacuum .

This argument connected directly to the moderator's earlier observation that the cross-border nature of digital information ecosystems makes purely national governance approaches very difficult, in a way that was not the case when governance of broadcasting was the primary concern . Both the overall digital information environment and the human beings operating within it now function in a transnational space that national jurisdictions cannot adequately govern alone .

Dvorovyi, drawing on Ukraine's lived experience, called for a renewal of discussions about a global framework on platform governance focused on enhanced due diligence obligations and including specific sections on crisis governance . He acknowledged the complexity of this position, noting the potential for abuse by certain governments of any such regulation, but argued that this is the direction in which the international community must move, as all national approaches have not worked well . He also noted that generative AI must be included in this framework, as it is itself effectively becoming a platform . This call for a global framework was notable for coming from a practitioner in an war zone who had previously witnessed the failure of both national legislation and the EU's Digital Services Act to provide adequate protection for countries outside the EU's single market .

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Audience Contributions: Local Journalism, Media Pluralism, and Post-Crisis Accountability

The session's closing minutes included a series of brief audience interventions that introduced important dimensions not fully addressed by the panel. A participant from Iran raised the concern that AI appears to be reducing media pluralism globally, a problem compounded in crisis contexts where information environments are already under severe pressure . The moderator connected this to the related issue of internet shutdowns during crises, which directly impact media pluralism and communities' access to diverse information sources .

An audience member called for local communicators and journalists not to be forgotten in crisis communication frameworks, noting that they are typically the first to stop working in crises due to lack of funds, threats, and censorship from both governments and foreign actors . This reinforced Coppi's earlier observation that signals of hope in humanitarian crisis communication come not from humanitarians but from journalists and local digital rights activists filling the gap at great personal and professional cost with very limited support .

Stephen Wyburn of the International Federation of Library Associations raised the largely overlooked dimension of preserving crisis communications for post-crisis learning and accountability, referencing the difficulty of COVID-19 inquiries in reconstructing what occurred . This intervention implicitly challenged the panel's focus on real-time crisis response and pointed to the need for data governance frameworks that also address archival preservation and institutional memory.

A freelance journalist in the audience offered a more critical perspective, arguing that crisis communication from government has nothing to do with journalism, that journalists are not supposed to replace official communication channels, and that governments and administrations consistently fail to develop worst-case scenario planning - citing the tsunami and COVID as examples . He also stated a preference for citizen journalism over what he termed "quality media" for understanding what is happening in crisis zones . While this challenged some of the panel's framing, it nonetheless reinforced the shared concern about the structural vulnerability of independent journalism and the inadequacy of official crisis communication systems.

An audience member also highlighted the Internet Governance Forum Policy Network working on norms, roles, and responsibilities in crisis communication within a multi-stakeholder framework as an workstream .

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Conclusions and Forward-Looking Priorities

In the session's closing round, each speaker identified a key priority for future action. Professor Volkmer called for crisis protocols to pre-integrate all communication technologies - cloud, satellite, and AI - as core components of building national crisis resilience, and for early partnerships with platforms and infrastructure providers to be established before crises occur rather than negotiated during them . She implicitly connected this to Dvorovyi's testimony about Ukraine, suggesting that had such arrangements been in place in advance, the post-crisis scramble to establish cooperation might have been avoided. She also emphasised the need for international cooperation, given that national regulatory structures may no longer be sufficient when dealing with crisis .

Coppi reiterated his call for digital sovereignty to be accompanied by clear rights responsibilities, and for normative frameworks to be developed that embed humanitarian communication channels into policy discussions, protect systems through redundancy, and ensure that rights-based approaches survive the first crisis . Lewis called for South Africa to translate existing international guidance into properly institutionalised national structures, with clear roles and responsibilities housed within the South Africa Regulators Forum, and for systems to be tested before they are needed . Dvorovyi called for the design of legal frameworks that will make platforms significantly more accountable, arguing that all national approaches have not worked well and that a global framework with enhanced due diligence obligations and crisis governance provisions is the necessary direction of travel .

The moderator closed by pointing towards two concrete next steps: the forthcoming launch of the UNESCO-commissioned report based on Professor Volkmer's survey, which participants were encouraged to engage with as a basis for continued work ; and a follow-up event being organised in Nairobi, with the moderator noting that the IGF format might allow for deeper engagement on these issues of norms, roles, and responsibilities in crisis communication within a multi-stakeholder framework . The session concluded with a broad consensus that the diagnosis of the problem is well-established - inadequate regulatory frameworks, platform unaccountability, under-resourced local journalists, and the absence of rights-based normative frameworks for crisis communication - but that the international community faces significant and unresolved questions about the appropriate mechanisms for addressing it, particularly regarding the design of global platform governance frameworks that balance accountability with safeguards against governmental overreach.

Mr. Guilherme Canela de Souza Godoi
Issues of digital transformation and digital policies. I used to be for many years the head of freedom of expression and safety of journalists, so I guess my colleagues still invite me for these things related to media. I didn't leave that position in a totally bad shape. Apparently, some of them still like me. So I had the pleasure to moderate this one and also to offer a bit of set -in -the -scene remarks. For those who are not familiar with these rooms here, we will have some people speaking online, and there is no specific audio in the room, so you need to use this to listen to whoever is speaking online. So please be prepared for that. That's not an interpretation device in this case. It's for getting the audio from online participants. And since we have 45 minutes, let's try to really stick to the time each one of you were assigned. And since we are in a World Cup moment, although Brazil did shamelessly lost for Norway recently. But in any case, for you speakers, if you get a yellow card, it means you have only one minute to finish your thing. And if you get a red one, you need to stop speaking. It doesn't matter. Can we appeal the FIFA? Yeah. This is part of the information crisis we are living. So with that cleared, let me quickly introduce you. So, again, we are in C9. I will briefly describe a bit for you. But I have here and online four fantastic speakers. For the sake of time, if you indulge me, I want to read all your very impressive, of biographies, but they are online and you can always Google them or chat them on different chats and you'll see what's going on, some hallucinations as well as usual. But there, Professor Ingrid Volkmer from University of Melbourne. Here, Maxime, I always pronounce your last name incorrectly, Dvorov. Almost this time. He's the Senior Legal Counsel, Digital Security Lab in Ukraine. Online, we have Charlie Lewis. He is a counselor at the Independent Communications Authority of South Africa. And here, my left, Giulio Coppi. He's a Senior Humanitarian Officer for AccessNow. So welcome. Thank you for joining us. And let me introduce very briefly why we are here. So as you know, since the WSIS process started, this C9 line, actually, this is the first time we've had a C9 line. So let me introduce very briefly why we are here. was making very clear the importance of the media ecosystem and the access to information ecosystem for the broader WISES agenda. Evidently, this remains a central part of the conversation. Maybe it gained even extra elements now. But also it's true, it's important to acknowledge that when this action line was developed 20 years ago, this ecosystem was very different of the way it is today. We were not at the time engaged in particularly governance decisions on the overall aspect of media journalism access to trustworthy information vis -à -vis what was happening. In the digital ecosystem per se. Basically, 20 years ago, the discussion was very much about what we today call legacy media. But anyways. There are interesting positive developments in this story, particularly in terms of access to information and the plurality of voices in the digital ecosystem. And this is essentially a good thing. But there are also challenges and risks in this process. We have been witnessing how the access to trustworthy and public interest information is an increasing problem in all fronts, from vaccines to elections, from climate change to other health issues or even financial issues and so on. So the resilience of these ecosystems is under very, very strong pressure. And the technology, it's not the main problem here, but it's part of this equation. And the important thing when we are discussing access to information in a broader way is precisely to understand... how this puzzle has very many different aspects that needs to be taken into consideration. Hence, during the 20 years review process of WISIS that was happening together with the Global Digital Compact, etc., you saw that the United Nations for the first time introduced this idea of information integrity. And this idea is precisely connecting these different dots from, for example, the protection and the promotion of those speaking and producing information, journalists, scientists, artists, and so on and so forth, for those that are demanding quality information, hence media and information literacy discussions and so on, to the transmission and records management systems from how we deal with the governance of digital platforms or AI or how we protect the archives or what is in the cloud or the digital infrastructure. So it's just to say that, what maybe 20 years ago was, I would say, more seen as different silos in this conversation, today is just impossible. Maybe even 20 years ago would be a mistake to consider these silos, but today is just a no -go. and I think one way of showing the importance of these things is there is maybe this is the only one thing that bad guys and good guys agree. They agree in the importance, the good guys to protect and the bad guys to attack. So this is not disputed, right? Now, these sessions about action lines, they can go in very many different directions. One approach would be let's take stock about everything that is happening. The last year, this is part of review processes. This is one approach. But for this session, we decided to go from a different approach. We are going to zoom in on one particular characteristic of this C9 discussion. That is, everything I just mentioned that is happening overall, we are going to go from a different approach. is particularly complicated in a crisis scenario. So what we are suggesting to you today is to make this discussion about the importance of these issues I just mentioned, media, journalism, trustworthiness, information, at the end of the day, information integrity. But what are the special challenges in doing this in a crisis scenario? So when UNESCO launched during a process that many of you in this room participated, the Internet for Trust process, and we suggested these guidelines for the governance of digital platforms, you will see that there is a particular chapter in this document saying, okay, these are overall rules, transparency, being anchored in human rights, and so on and so forth. But all of these needs. And all of these needs to have a specific way or framework of dealing with that if you are, for example, in a crisis context. In this crisis context can be a war, as my friend here on my right is currently facing, or it can be a disruption because of climate change, or it can be a disruption because of a pandemic. But the fact is that when you are dealing with these situations in crisis, we need to have extra elements to protect life -saving information. And it's, of course, particularly essential in these moments. So to walk the talk on what is there in these guidelines, we have invited Professor Ingrid here to go a little bit deeper in this discussion. And correct me if I'm wrong later, Ingrid, to test a bit these sayings of the guidelines in real environments and doing some case studies and surveys. And in her very scarce four minutes, she will explain to you what happened there. Thank you. One of the particular difficult things here is that this crisis, as well as the digital ecosystem, it's more and more a cross -border thing. So it's very difficult to think governance in a national jurisdiction. Something that was not easy, but was possible when we were talking only about governance of broadcasting. But in this current scenario, this is not possible at all. So when the conflicts come, et cetera, both the overall digital information, but the actual human beings operating on that, they are operating in this trans -border element. And then there are things from the old agenda. In every crisis, particular professionals are under extra stress and attacks. And so one journalist, one of them, related to this action line. And that's not for a coincidence. It's because the bad guys know how important they are to reveal the wrongdoing, to reveal the human rights violations, and so on and so forth. So anyways, to conclude, and I think different of the panelists will a bit mention their relationship with the United Nations system and with UNESCO in particular, UNESCO is acting on this area a lot to promote this idea of a governance that is human rights -based with a strong accent on transparency, accountability, and human rights due diligence in order to advance this discussion in the right direction. And for that, we are working with academia, with actual practitioners, with civil society organizations, with regulators like the colleague that is online, and others, judges and prosecutors and et cetera. So... To finalize, an important component of this discussion is, at the end of the day, how to make public interest media viable. Not easy to say that this is important, not that easy to achieve, because the overall landscape in many ways of international cooperation, of ODA, but also in the configuration of the media systems, have changed dramatically. And there is a kind of an irony that independent investigative and truth -based journalism is more important than ever and has less money than ever. So it's a very ironic, tragically ironic situation, which is not only true for journalists, it's for many other information producers. So, in a nutshell, this is a bit the scene or the context in which this session is taking place. And now, glad to pass to my panelists. And Ingrid, if you don't mind, let me start with you. So, as I mentioned, you accepted this challenge, and we were saying a lot of things from this very high level of multilateral policy in this area. But then we asked you, what does that mean for a crisis to unfold in these digitally mediated information ecosystems, vis -a -vis what we were saying in terms of high level principles in this area? And maybe you can tell us what are your findings. Thank you very much. Over to you. Y
Prof. Ingrid Volkmer
eah, thank you. I conclude, in a way, a study which took one year and four minutes. So I'm really trying hard. I have a bit of a script to discipline me, not to start talking too much about nuances. But before I begin to reflect on results, I would like to make three statements, and the first builds a bit on what Guillaume just said, that in crisis situations, we need to be clear it's no longer about crisis information delivering national narrative to citizens, that too, but there are a lot of other dimensions that need to be reflected, and we might call these dimensions crisis communication, which operate across digital and data ecosystems. And as we see in recent crisis, technologies take a center stage role in geopolitical issues, in being weaponized, as well as platforms. So we need to be aware that this is not just a silo structure anymore, where we look at just technologies, just regulate AI, just regulate this information, but it's all included, and we need to understand this as an ecosystem, digital and data ecosystem, an ecosystem that is specifically in crisis. And LEO satellites, as you know, with Starlink, et cetera, are new to this sort of... sphere, but we need more awareness of their role in specific crisis. These data ecosystems need to be accountable and should not just be a technical add -on to crisis governance. They are, in fact, crucial for building crisis resilience in countries. So it's really time to start these sorts of discussions and I'm really grateful to contribute to this discussion here today. So digital regulation in crisis is, in fact, a new regulatory space and I feel we as practitioners, but also academics, we have to work together to identify new regulatory tools and regulatory approaches because, as Guillaume pointed out, the ones that have been developed in the past might not work anymore. So we conducted a survey last year among 200 regulatory experts across the world. So we conducted a survey last year among 200 regulatory experts across the world. in cooperation with UNESCO, to understand how governments manage, in fact, crisis communication, this sort of crisis communication I just pointed out. What are their perceptions? What do they, in fact, do? So we have, on one hand, these systemic changes that I pointed out with these ecosystems from satellite AI to other platforms, and on the other hand, regulatory gaps. So I will reflect on four questions of that survey and present some of these outcomes to you, which I feel gives you good examples where at least many might not be your government, but many governments are. So we asked when regulators develop new regulatory approaches, do these include provisions for times of crisis? And what do you reckon answers are? A majority of 61 % said no. No, or don't know. And this reflects a deeper absence of data governance. infrastructure capable of supporting crisis response? A second question, and I got a yellow card now. In today's digital world, national crisis communication relies also on transnational infrastructures, such as cloud computing service and satellites. Do you address these in regulatory debates, in crisis communication in your country? And again, majority said no or don't know. And this, again, underscores a significant gap in attention to critical infrastructures. The next question, and then I think I have to close, is in crisis times, are there initiatives in place to ensure the protection of privacy rights when citizens use various digital data sources? Again, 71 % reported no or don't know, and this represents another urgent governance gap. I don't think I can move on to other points, but I will close here, and I think we can. and perhaps reflect on these outcomes in our discussion. Thank you.
Mr. Guilherme Canela de Souza Godoi
Thank you, Ingrid. If you can turn off your mic, please. Giulio, I think it's interesting that we started with Ingrid because, I mean, you are a humanitarian professional from a lot of your career and you are continuing that in excess now. And I think part of this is not only when the crises are already installed that you have the humanitarian action going into the particular situation, but also the preparedness to avoid the problems or at least to minimize them. So how you read this scenario, right, with this current situation, what are the challenges and what is the relation of this access to information media with the specific humanitarian concerns? Over to you.
Mr. Giulio Coppi
Thank you. And it has already been mentioned at least twice that communicating crisis has radically changed meaning over the past decade. We have to realize that today the same tech communication layer hosts not only information, but also life -saving services, essential assets. And rights -enabling functionalities. So we're talking about a transformed humanitarian space. with multiple different actors responding to different priorities and sometimes different ethical frameworks. So this looks very complex, but in a historical perspective, we can break it down into several emerging trends to identify the emerging challenges. The first one, we have increasing needs and shrinking humanitarian access, both physical and digital, and funding, which result in increased isolation of local actors, and the need for remote communication tools for aid coordination and delivery. Second, we have a digitalization of humanitarian programming, or rather the digital transformation of aid, that leads to increasingly mediated relationship between aid groups and communities through communication systems that become key programmatic components. Third, we have an explosion of cloud computing that further entrenches the dependence of humanitarian actors on big tech providers. and on local infrastructure sometimes or private infrastructure. It makes worse the extractive nature of aid data gathering and collection processes, which was preexistent, but it gets worse. Fourth, we have a militarization of commercial and civilian digital systems and data that enhances the vulnerability of humanitarian programming to digital -related threats. This includes cyber attacks, shutdowns, spyware, and all sorts of surveillance methods. And finally, we have a slow movement on the protection standard development side. There results in insufficient data and evidence -based analysis to support digital -adapted protection strategies and responses. So we can say that this results in a series of gaps in the humanitarian protection framework, a sort of gray zone where digital risks remain undetected and often the threats remain unaddressed. Some of these challenges have been analyzed. Most recently in the war disaster report by the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent. but some remain outside of the scope of most traditional agencies, and we don't talk about those much. To make an example, due to climate change or crisis -related migration, often part of bigger complex crises, world communities have been turning to digital to preserve their culture, heritage, memory, or even just demographic documentation. If traditional protection mandate holders do not recognize these as essential civilian assets worth being protected, both as data points and through the platform that hosts them, the paradox is that digital transformation processes might actually make them more vulnerable instead of ensuring their preservation. Another example is the rampant explosion of disinformation, misinformation, hate speech, and situation of crisis, especially with the normalized recourse of blanket shutdown that crippled official information environments. and coral vulnerable people into untrusted information bubbles. If we add AI to the mix, AI is not radically changing this, but it's like adding an accelerator in an explosive mix. So we see signals for hope from a humanitarian perspective, but no thanks to humanitarians, but rather thanks to journalists and local digital rights activists that are currently filling that gap at a great personal and professional cost with very limited support, as you mentioned. So we should reject any claim of dual use nature of ICT systems and personnel, and instead we should reclaim the protected nature of our digital, civilian digital information and digital ecosystem, and of those individuals that are working to make it accessible, reliable, and safe for everyone in times of crisis.
Mr. Guilherme Canela de Souza Godoi
Fantastic. You are all avoiding the red card. You see the spirit of the World Cup and of Fair Play. Thank you very much, Julio, for this. And Charles, I hope you are hearing us well. welcome. It's a pity you are not here with us, but at the same time, we are glad you were able to join because as you heard from Ingrid's survey, but also from the extra challenges that Giulio underlined, we understand that regulators are in a difficult position, right? There are different precious points, there are challenges, and the actors are also very powerful actors in this governance discussion. I know from your country that not only your body, but also the data regulator, my dear friend, Pansy Klekula, are very much concerned with these different issues that were discussed here by the two previous colleagues. So over to you. What are the pressure points? What are the challenges? How you see your role as regulator in this context? Welcome.
Dr. Charles Lewis
Thank you, and I hope you can hear me. You can hear me.
Mr. Guilherme Canela de Souza Godoi
Yes, go ahead.
Dr. Charles Lewis
Okay, thank you When it comes to situations of disasters of one kind or another And emergencies of one kind or another Access to information is critically important It needs to be trusted information It needs to be accurate information It needs to be information that's up to date And so as a regulator in the ICT sector Which deals with telecommunications and broadcasting We have quite an important role to play In relation to those particular situations South Africa, my country, has had a number of emergencies That would have required some kind of coordinated response We've had rains and flooding It seems like almost every year now We've had civil disturbances in 2021 But the people who tried to march and march the other day didn't quite get it right. We've had fires in Cape Town and Knysna and we regularly have fires in informal settlements around the various cities. And obviously, of course, we had the big elephant in the room, COVID -19. And all of those led to loss of life, damage to property, disruptions of services, damage to infrastructure, food supply, etc., etc. Now, there's been a lot of work done internationally in terms of developing frameworks for early warning systems. Obviously, I would suggest coming out of COVID, the ITU has done work in 2023. SADC published a national emergency telecommunications plan in 2024. And in South Africa, we are busy working on early warning for all initiative. So when you try and develop and put together that kind of framework, there are a couple of pillars that you need to pay attention to. It's critically important that you are well prepared for any unexpected disaster. You need to identify possible areas of risk, analyze them. You need to prepare. You need to set up structures, frameworks, and processes ahead of time. Secondly, you need to be able to forecast, identify where things are likely to come from, what's likely to happen, so that you can detect and monitor what's going on. Thirdly is the need for communication, the need for warning communities, individuals, when there is a disaster of one kind or another. And then finally, you need to be prepared and ready to respond. In some cases, that leads to testing of systems, and there have been a couple of tests that have gone wrong. I think in Florida or was it California, people got woken up at 3 o 'clock in the morning by a test that wasn't supposed to be attempted. So that's one of the things that we need to be prepared for. But as regulators and ICT sector regulators, I think we importantly need to see ourselves as custodians of information resilience. We need as regulators to be able to be flexible, to react and recover very quickly. I'm not going to dwell on what ICASA did under COVID -19. I think we were probably one of the world leaders there. But any response is a coordinated collaboration that needs to take place, needs to be properly structured, properly planned. But there are multiple players and many regulators, as you indicated in your introduction. The approach that needs to be taken needs to be people focused. You've got to be able to reach out to the communities. The information must be usable across the communities. The information must be simple. It must be inalienable. The language that people speak, so mother tongue communications is particularly important in a country like mine where you have 11 official languages. If they need to be Communication needs to be able to be Location based And it needs to use a multiplicity Of channels So SMS's Things that go over the mobile Networks, IMT Telephone networks are obviously Critically important but they're not enough So you need to be able to Communicate through channels such as WhatsApp You may need in certain Situations.
Mr. Guilherme Canela de Souza Godoi
Just to say you got red card already.
Dr. Charles Lewis
Cool I'll finish up very quickly So multiple channels are very very important And Let me Finish up by saying the steps In relation to this are probably to Legislate for The structures to be put In place to regulate, identify Roles and responsibilities Plan, communicate and Critically test The systems you put in place, thank you.
Mr. Guilherme Canela de Souza Godoi
Thank you very much. And it's interesting to see or to hear a regulator really looking to so many of those particular characteristics in terms of crisis preparedness, but also facing the actual crisis. So, Maxime, let me turn to you now, because unfortunately, you are not in the situation of preparing for a crisis. You are facing a huge crisis for the last many years now. And maybe you are also in a position to share with us some of the experience or the lessons learned you had based on the previous discussion on how the other countries strengthen their capacity to prepare for crisis. Particularly in this digitally ecosystem that is facing all these challenges that the previous colleagues mentioned. Thank you for being with us and over to you.
Mr. Maksym Dvorovyi
Thank you, Gideon. Of course, I will focus mostly on war and war-related communications and some of the steps that Ukraine was making to combat first and foremost Russian threats. And in this regard, we can't omit a certain level of actually preparedness before the full-scale invasion kicked in, because over the course of 2014 and 2022, when the war in the eastern part of Ukraine and in Crimea was ongoing, still there had been certain steps made by the Ukrainian legislator to at least identify key actors, key threats, and key platforms which might contain harmful content and which might help spread and disseminate harmful content to Ukrainian users. And in the span of these eight years preceding 2022, quite a bit has been done to restrict the functioning of what was called in this panel legacy media in Ukraine, which were either financed by Russia or direct Russian media. And a couple of key Russian platforms had been blocked, such as Vkontakte, Adnoklassniki, Mail .ru, and Yandex. And all in all, if we assess the situation in 2022, we can see that when the newer parts of Ukraine became occupied by Russia, including the regions of Kherson and Zaporizhia, in those cities, people were coming outside to the streets and protesting the occupation, which means that at least to a certain extent, the effect of Russian media was limited there. Then there is also... There was also an ongoing process of review of legislation, which went in line... with EU accession processes in Ukraine, and quite a lot of stuff has been done in the process of alignment, and we added a separate section to combat what we called aggressor states. So there are certain legislative mechanisms, again, put in place to combat predominantly traditional legacy media, online media, which were helpful. What was much less successful is, of course, the coordination with private actors and private platforms and what we used to call big tech. In the beginning of the full -scale invasion in 2022, a lot of them were readily coordinating with some of the Ukrainian authorities. We have witnessed the situations where accounts of the most odious propaganda for war spreaders were banned on different platforms. We have witnessed the situation where their actions, when these sort of actions later spread. to the EU level bands. And yes, I understand that they were quite questionable in the EU context, but still, if we talk about the influence on the Ukrainian population, they were quite helpful. But gradually, all this cooperation went down to almost nothing. And when we're talking about the situation right now in 2026, we do not really see any significant willingness on behalf of the private companies and private platforms to even engage in dialogue with the Ukrainian legislator. The reasons are probably multiple, but one of the key reasons is that we are probably, again, not the largest market for them. And because we don't really have that marketing lens, which, for example, EU has or the US has, the platforms decide to, well, apply their general policies, not to tailor them to crisis contexts and not really try to change the design of their platforms or architecture of their platforms to fight with... the crisis mostly. And special regard in this aspect is being paid, of course, to Telegram, because this is the platform which possesses the largest news influence, but also allows quite a lot of anonymous sources to flourish. And this is the platform which never responded even in 2022. So some of the platforms who are just willingly choosing not to respond, they became irresponsible. And unfortunately, we're in a situation where we do not really have any mechanisms to put them into any form of accountability. Thank you.
Mr. Guilherme Canela de Souza Godoi
It's interesting to hear Maxyme's testimony, because I remember when we started this conversation about the governance of digital platforms, several players, legitimate players, came to Enesco and said, well, let's keep the discussion of self -regulation and da -da -da, and you can see what happens, right, when it's only about the goodwill. And not. the actual governance mechanisms agreed under the international environment and then when it's only when we want we do and we don't want we don't do anymore you have this kind of scenarios thank you all of you I think although it's quick this kind of Eurovision three minute thing you got an overall overview of what are the main challenges so maybe can I ask in a final round for each one of you so we are trying to think towards the future that's why crisis preparedness but if you need to select based on what you just said and your other experience if you need to select one key action that we need to concentrate or the regulators needed to concentrate or the international organizations or whatever what that would be Ingrid
Prof. Ingrid Volkmer
Three aspects but perhaps not possible the first one is really that crisis protocols need to consider the the all sorts of communication technologies, cloud, satellite, AI, as core pre -integrated components of building national crisis resilience. And really to start this thinking process, I feel, is very, very urgent. Results also show from our survey, and I can only report from the survey, that there is a great uncertainty about technological roles, reflecting capacity gaps, organizational silos, unclear legal frameworks, and the lack of pre -existing partnerships with platforms and infrastructure providers. Maxim gave us one example, but I think if there are early on these sorts of arrangements, perhaps that would have avoided a situation where post -crisis, then things have to happen. There is also an outcome from the survey, and I just quickly report that respondents feel that there are ... their structure, their national structure of regulation might no longer be relevant, or the way how ministries cooperate might no longer be sufficient when you deal with crisis. That relates a bit to what Guillaume said at the beginning. And they also feel that international ooperation is needed. And that's perhaps another discussion with this next year or something. Thank you.
Mr. Guilherme Canela de Souza Godoi
Thank you very much. And please stay tuned because this report that England work with UNESCO is going to be launched soon, soon, right, Ingrid, or in the coming soonish. And there are very, very interesting extra elements there. And we are very much asked to interest to hear your interactions ith these, because it's a work that, of course, is to be continued. Thank you.
Mr. Giulio Coppi
I was very strict with the four minutes before, so I had to go on the script. But right now, I don't need the script to say that. single message that we would like to deliver is that digital sovereignty, which is the big word that has been mulled around, comes with responsibilities. So if we want to imagine a discussion on digital sovereignty, it needs to come with a discussion about what does that mean in terms of protecting people's rights, especially in the digital space. What will that look like? What will that look like in times of crisis? There have been a lot of push from the humanitarian sector and digital rights sector, a lot of very strong pushes to open up the discussion about what does it mean to be connected in times of conflict? What does it mean to get news out and news in? What does it mean to keep in touch with loved ones? What does it mean to preserve the memory of your people, of your culture, to keep the communication running, to keep the data running? What does it mean to keep the data running? What does it mean to keep the data running? What does it mean to keep the data running from the civilian side? And a lot of this discussion got stuck in exactly the concept of, okay, but where does... the rights of those people start and where does the capacity of a government to shut down those flows how do we harmonize those two? And if we don't have a frank discussion about how do we keep communication flowing in crisis be that through satellite, without falling into dependencies which is the problem that we face if we don't intervene through norms if the regulators do not step in if the international community does not find a way to embed humanitarian communication channels into the discussion then the private sector will take over and they will decide when communication is useful and when it's not when it's a priority and when it's not and we'll end up with policy by third party so our call is to put rights back in the middle of the communication environment and to make sure that we protect those systems through redundancy, through rights protected, normative frameworks in a way that will work and survive the first crisis. Thank you.
Mr. Guilherme Canela de Souza Godoi
Thank you very much. Charles?
Dr. Charles Lewis
Thank you. I'm glad to see my red card got rescinded. I would suggest that for us in South Africa, the critical issue is to actually translate theory into practice. You know, we've got guidance from the ITU. We've got guidance from SADC. And we've got this incipient early warnings systems for all in South Africa structure. And that needs to be properly institutionalized, properly put in place. It needs to be absolutely clear what the roles of the various participants. And that would include a variety of regulators. So perhaps one of the places that this needs to find a home is in South Africa's regulators forum. Because each of us has a role to play. Thank you. But we actually, we need the structures in place. We need to make sure that we are able to actualize or action what needs to be done so that the next time there is a rain -induced flood in KwaZulu -Natal or in the Eastern Cape, somebody will actually, in a structured way, stand up and pull the trigger and say, yes, we need to issue the warnings. And they need to be locally based in indigenous languages to the people in the affected communities before the floods sweep their homes and livelihoods away.
Mr. Guilherme Canela de Souza Godoi
Thank you very much. Maxyme?
Mr. Maksym Dvorovyi
I will at least partly second Julia's comments, but I see that private companies have already overtook the role of arbiters in crisis communication contexts. And then when we're talking about… Regulating it. So, from the standpoint… As a person residing in a country in war, I see that current legal frameworks, they do not really work. Even if we're talking about the more successful examples such as the Digital Services Act, even for those countries which are standing close to the EU borders and are EU accession countries such as my country, it's not going to be an option as people in Brussels have already told to sort of provisionally go into the EU digital single market. So that all results in the necessity to renew the discussions about some sort of a global framework on platform governance, which will be first and foremost concentrated around the enhanced due diligence obligations and include sections on crisis governance, but at the same time should also take into account the potential of abuse from certain governments of any such type of regulation. And I think this is the space we're moving towards. I think that... The more... silent, let's put it this way, the more non -responsive the companies are going to be, the closer we're going to get to that point. And at this point, I don't even sometimes believe that I started saying that in the past couple of years, but this is the way to go because this is the only way to secure users' rights on platforms. And we're not even talking about GenAI, which is basically also the platform in itself right now. So my outcome would be prepare for designing certain legal frameworks that will make platforms much more accountable because all the national approaches didn't really work well. Thank you.
Mr. Guilherme Canela de Souza Godoi
Very good. Thank you. So these panelists did a fantastic job in sticking to the time, but these sessions are short. So we have four minutes, so I don't think we have time to go into a meaningful conversation Q &A. But what, I would suggest, since they did the incredible job of resuming years of experience in three minutes, that I will get some people making 30 seconds comments. Like, these are the keywords, right? So 30 seconds, then we move.
Audience
Thank you very much, Kaveh. I would like to know what happens to media pluralism in terms of media crisis. I'm from Iran, so I know what it means being in a country where you have crisis communication. But I would like to understand what happens to media pluralism in terms of crisis in what you do. Thank you. Because AI, it seems that AI reduces media pluralism all over the world. Thank you.
Mr. Guilherme Canela de Souza Godoi
Super media pluralism, connection with AI, maybe add also in this context, internet shutdowns that are related to this crisis system that impact the media pluralism. Anrette?
Audience
Anrette Esra is an ABC. Just thanks, very interesting panel. Just to share the information and that there's a policy network in the context of the internationalization of the media, which is a very interesting panel. Internet Governance Forum that's working. on exactly this issue, on norms, responses, and roles and responsibilities in the multi -stakeholder community and the long -term Julio is part of that. So I've shared the information in the chat and you can put it in the report. Very good. Hi, Stephen Wyburn, International Federation of Library Associations. The one thing I wanted to bring up was also how equipped are we to preserve the communication that's going on so that we can actually understand what happened afterwards. We're full of COVID inquiries right now trying to understand what the hell happened there. With all of these things, we need to be able to learn the lessons afterwards if we survive, obviously, which is nice.
Mr. Guilherme Canela de Souza Godoi
Thank you very much. Ia?
Audience
Yeah, thank you. No, please don't forget the local communicators and journalists and how to keep local media working during these situations because they were the first one to stop working because they don't have not only the ability to communicate, but also to funds but they are facing threats, they are facing all kinds of censorship during this crisis from the government and from the foreign actors as well. So please keep this conversation in this regard as well. Thank you.
Mr. Guilherme Canela de Souza Godoi
And then last 30 seconds comments because I already got the warning from the people outside.
Audience
Boris Engelson, a local journalist freelance. So first, in my view as journalist freelance, crisis communication from government has nothing to do with journalism. If governments and administrations are credible, both politically and with a channel, a technical channel, it works. But I don't see journalists, media. I'm not supposed to replace official communication and official done. Second, you refer to crisis analysis and worst case scenario, states, government never have any. worst case scenario we could see that with the tsunami, we could see that with the COVID, they always realize we never thought it would happen third, quality media seen from a freelancer are not quality and I rather rely on so called citizen journalism in spite of their bad name to know what's going on in Baghdad or somewhere else, that's all I have to say thank you very much
Mr. Guilherme Canela de Souza Godoi
thank you, I guess I won't give the floor back to you, but I think these comments were interesting to see the different reactions of the audience to what you have said to be continued, thank you Henriette please go to see Henriette at the end, she is offering to organize a big thing in Nairobi about these issues with us and I think it's a fantastic moment because in Kenya, I think this deserves to go deeper and IGF allows us maybe to go deeper, thanks a lot, thank you for attending I finished as I promised you on time so thank you

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