WSIS Forum 2026
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Women Leading the Digital Future - Shaping Policy Together

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Summary

The session brought together policymakers, civil society leaders, and youth representatives to discuss how women can more effectively shape digital policy and governance . H.E. Michele Cervone d'Urso of the European Union opened with remarks highlighting that women remain underrepresented in ICT leadership and decision-making roles, and that closing the gender digital divide could benefit 343.5 million women and girls while generating an estimated $1.5 trillion boost to global GDP by 2030 . He also announced a Team Europe joint initiatives, involving Belgium, Estonia, France, Germany, Latvia, and Spain, aimed at empowering women in the public ICT sector and supporting girls' access to STEM pathways .

During a lightning round, panellists identified key changes needed to advance women's roles in digital policy. Dr. Kry Nallis of Cambodia called for embedding women's participation in policy design as leaders rather than mere consultants . Neema Lugangira stressed the need to move women from being consulted to being decision-makers, including in ministries, regulatory authorities, and international governance processes . Salma Abbasi advocated for a holistic, intergenerational approach ensuring that policy is both inclusive and implementable . Melissa Michelle Munoz Suro emphasised authorship, urging that women - particularly young women from the Global South - be the authors of technology and policy rather than simply invited to react to existing systems .

Panellists also shared concrete examples from their regions. Dr. Nallis outlined Cambodia's policy frameworks, including a target of 40% female STEM graduates and the Women Leadership in the Public ICT Sector project implemented with GIZ and ITU . Lugangira described how her personal experience of online abuse as a parliamentarian led Tanzania to become the first African country to recognise gender-based violence in elections as an electoral offence . Munoz Suro highlighted capacity-building programmes in the Dominican Republic, including an initiative training women to build AI solutions, and advocated for open-source AI infrastructure as a mechanism for inclusion .

Audience contributions raised additional concerns, including the burden of unpaid care work as a structural barrier to women's participation , the fragmentation of efforts across organisations working on similar solutions , and the affordability of digital tools for women and girls in low-income contexts . Abbasi responded to the latter by sharing an example from India where intergenerational capacity-building with women's self-help groups proved effective and cost-efficient .

The session concluded with panellists sharing their hopes for 2030: that digital transformation would reduce vulnerability , that women's leadership in shaping the digital future would be celebrated rather than merely measured , and that more young women from the Global South would be leaders and implementers of technology and innovation policy . The overall discussion underscored that inclusive digital governance is not only a matter of fairness but a prerequisite for better, more effective policymaking that serves all of society .

Keypoints
  • Overall Purpose

  • The session was convened with the goal to examining the structural barriers preventing women from shaping digital and AI policy, sharing regional experiences and reform models, and building momentum for concrete action to move women from consultation to decision-making roles in digital governance.
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  • Major Discussion Points

  • Women remain systematically underrepresented in digital and AI policymaking institutions. All panellists agreed that women are largely excluded from the core bodies that shape digital policy, including regulatory agencies, standard-setting bodies, and AI governance structures. The EU representative noted that 'women are underrepresented in leadership, in decision-making roles in ICTs, including public institutions that design key digital policies and services' , and Neema Lugangira observed that this underrepresentation spans 'governments to regulators, to standard bodies and even AI governance processes' . The call was clear: women must move from being consulted to being decision-makers .
  • Structural and socio-cultural barriers - including skills gaps, social norms, and unpaid care work - actively limit women's participation. Dr. Kry Nallis identified three key barriers in Cambodia: underrepresentation in core institutions, a skills and capacity gap in advanced digital and AI training, and persistent social norms that frame technology as a male domain . An audience member further highlighted that the global presumption that women will provide free labour as caretakers is one of the biggest structural barriers to inclusion , a point that resonated across the panel.
  • Capacity building, institutional pathways, and open infrastructure are the most effective policy mechanisms for gender-responsive digital governance. Melissa Munoz Suro outlined three proven mechanisms: building capacity before demanding representation, institutionalising participation so it outlasts individual initiatives, and making AI infrastructure open by design to allow historically excluded groups to co-create . Salma Abbasi reinforced this with a seven-point framework, emphasising lifelong learning, accountability for harmful technology, and measuring the societal impact of AI beyond commercial returns .
  • Women's lived experience produces better, more inclusive policy outcomes. Neema Lugangira illustrated this through her personal experience of online abuse as a parliamentarian in Tanzania, which led her to successfully champion the recognition of gender-based violence in elections as an electoral offence - making Tanzania the first African country to do so . She argued that 'the quality of digital policies honestly depends on who is at the table' , and that being at the table must be accompanied by genuine capacity to articulate and advance policy positions .
  • International regulatory frameworks, such as the EU AI Act, must have enforceable global reach. Lugangira challenged the EU representative directly, noting that companies registered in the EU and subject to the EU AI Act do not apply the same standards when operating in Africa . The EU representative acknowledged this limitation but pointed to the Corporate Sustainability Due Diligence Directive as a complementary instrument with broader human rights applications . This exchange highlighted the gap between regional regulatory ambition and global enforcement reality.
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  • Overall Tone

  • The overall tone of the discussion was constructive, urgent, and empowering. Opening remarks from the EU representative set a frank and data-driven tone, acknowledging that progress on gender equality is "going backwards at times" and that the cost of inaction is too high . The panel discussion itself was energetic and collaborative, with speakers building on one another's points rather than simply presenting in isolation. There were moments of personal candour - particularly from Lugangira, who drew on her own experience of online abuse - which added emotional weight and authenticity. Towards the end, the tone shifted slightly to one of cautious optimism, with each panellist offering a forward-looking hope for 2030 , and Sylvia Poll expressing the aspiration that such sessions would eventually no longer be necessary because gender equality in digital leadership would have been achieved . Throughout, the atmosphere remained inclusive and participatory, with audience Q&A reinforcing the collaborative spirit of the event.
Speakers Overview
HM
H.E. Michele Cervone d'Urso
148 wpm · 6 min
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Neema Lugangira
174 wpm · 8 min
HD
H.E. Dr. Kry Nallis
118 wpm · 6 min
MM
Melissa Michelle Munoz Suro
159 wpm · 4 min
SA
Salma Abbasi
162 wpm · 7 min
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Audience
143 wpm · 4 min
SP
Sylvia Poll
355 wpm · 1 min
KZ
Kathleen Ziemann
115 wpm · 14 min

# Women Leading the Digital Future: Shaping Policy Together - Expanded Summary

Session Overview and Opening

The session "Women Leading the Digital Future: Shaping Policy Together" was convened at the WSIS Forum as a collaborative initiative between ITU and GIZ, with the support of Team Europe partners including Belgium, Estonia, France, Germany, Latvia, and Spain . Moderated by Kathleen Ziemann and co-hosted by Sylvia Poll, the session brought together policymakers, civil society leaders, private sector representatives, and youth advocates to examine the structural barriers preventing women from shaping digital and AI policy, share regional reform experiences, and build momentum for concrete action to move women from consultation to genuine decision-making roles in digital governance .

To open the session interactively, Sylvia Poll invited participants to engage with a live Mentimeter exercise, asking who comes to mind when thinking about who shapes digital policy . The responses - including "youth," "women," "everyone," "men also," and references to the ITU Secretary General - provided a snapshot of audience perceptions and set a participatory tone for the discussion that followed .

Opening Remarks: The Economic and Rights Case for Inclusion

H.E. Michele Cervone d'Urso, Deputy Permanent Representative of the European Union, delivered the session's opening substantive remarks, framing women's digital inclusion as both a rights imperative and an economic necessity . He was frank in acknowledging that "women are underrepresented in leadership, in decision-making roles in ICTs, including public institutions that design key digital policies and services" , and noted that progress on gender equality more broadly is "going backwards at times" . He argued that the cost of inaction is too high, citing UN Women data indicating that closing the gender digital divide alone could benefit 343.5 million women and girls and generate an estimated $1.5 trillion boost to global GDP by 2030 .

Cervone d'Urso emphasised that persistent barriers in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) education, combined with technology-facilitated gender-based violence, continue to limit women's role in the digital sphere . He was explicit that inclusion is "not only the right thing to do, it's also the smart thing to do," arguing that more inclusive digital policymaking leads to better decisions, stronger institutions, and digital transformation that works better for everyone . He announced a concrete institutional response: a Team Europe joint initiative, launched together with Belgium, Estonia, France, Germany, Latvia, and Spain, aimed at empowering women in the public ICT sector to shape gender-responsive policies, strengthening capacities in public institutions, and supporting girls' and women's access to STEM pathways . This initiative, he noted, spans multiple regions including the Middle East, Eastern Europe, Africa, and Latin America , and reflects a commitment to move "from words to concrete support" .

Framing the Panel Discussion

Before opening the lightning round, moderator Kathleen Ziemann offered a conceptual framing for the discussion that set the analytical tone for the session . She argued that women's leadership is "not only a matter of equality, it is a prerequisite for better policymaking," and that diverse leadership leads to more balanced decisions, broader perspectives, and policies that respond to the needs of all citizens . Drawing a vivid analogy, she compared designing digital policies without women to planning cities exclusively with and for men - a practice that has historically produced roads that endanger people in the dark and play spaces that children do not use, because male engineers failed to account for the needs of women and children in public spaces . She argued that the same dynamic applies to digital governance: when only engineers shape the digital space, it risks becoming unsafe, particularly for women . Inclusive digital governance, she contended, helps identify unintended biases and promotes innovation that benefits everyone .

Ziemann also added a pointed moderating observation following the lightning round: that women should not be left merely to use technology, but should help govern it and write the rules - being part of the process rather than simply implementing decisions made by others.

Lightning Round: Key Changes Needed

The panel opened with a lightning round in which each panellist was asked to identify the single most important change needed to enable women to more effectively shape digital policy.

Dr. Kry Nallis, Secretary of State at Cambodia's Ministry of Women's Affairs, called for a transformation of systems and the digital sector to actively enable women . She argued that this means embedding women's participation, voice, and representation in the design and formulation of digital policy "not as only the consultation, but as a leadership" , and ensuring that women benefit equally from the outcomes of digital policy - whether digital public services, online safety frameworks, AI governance, or digital skills programmes .

Neema Lugangira, Secretary General of Women Political Leaders, identified the single biggest change as moving women "from being consulted to women being decision makers" . She observed that women remain underrepresented in institutions that shape digital policy across the board - from governments and regulators to standards bodies and AI governance processes . She therefore called for investment not only in women's digital skills but also in women's leadership, including the creation of pathways for women to lead ministries, regulatory authorities, parliaments, and international governance processes where digital policies are actually made .

Professor Salma Abbasi, founder and chairperson and CEO of the eWorldwide Group, explicitly rejected the premise of a single key change, arguing instead for a holistic approach . She noted that women's role in shaping policy through consultation has been discussed for decades without sufficient progress , and called for an intergenerational female voice throughout the entire policy process - incorporating the experiences of younger women alongside the knowledge of older women . She also stressed that policy must be simple and implementable, warning that "if it's not implementable, there is no action" .

Melissa Munoz Suro, member of the ITU Secretary General's Youth Advisory Board, centred her response on the concept of authorship . She argued that women - particularly young women from the Global South - are typically "in the best of scenarios just invited to give their feedback about systems or policies that are already in place and are already designed by someone else" , and called for women to be the authors of those systems and policies rather than merely being asked to react or validate . She concluded with a point made at a breakfast event the previous day: "women in tech is everybody's business" .

Cambodia: Structural Barriers and Policy Frameworks

In the first substantive question of the panel, Dr. Nallis was asked to describe the key structural barriers to women's participation in Cambodia's digital policymaking and the reforms that have been most effective in addressing them . She identified three main barriers: first, women remain underrepresented in the core institutions that shape digital and AI decisions, including public ICT bodies, regulatory agencies, and emerging AI governance structures ; second, there is a skills and capacity gap, with fewer women accessing advanced digital, data, and AI training ; and third, persistent social norms continue to frame technology, innovation, and high-level policymaking as a male domain .

Despite these barriers, Dr. Nallis emphasised that Cambodia is not starting from zero, pointing to a strong policy foundation . She outlined several national frameworks: the Pentagonal Strategy, which places human capital development at the centre of national progress ; the Cambodia Science, Technology, and Innovation Roadmap 2030, which sets a target of at least 40% female graduates in STEM fields ; the Digital Economy and Society Policy Framework 2024-2035, which provides national direction for digital skills inclusion and innovation ; and the Cambodia Digital Government Policy, which explicitly aims to reduce the gender gap in digital skills through targeted initiatives . The Ministry of Women's Affairs' five-year strategic plan, known as Neri Rotna (now in its sixth version), prioritises gender mainstreaming, women's economic empowerment, women in leadership and governance, and women's participation in digital and technical fields .

Dr. Nallis also highlighted specific initiatives designed to encourage women and girls to participate in the digital world, including the Women Leadership in the Public ICT Sector project implemented in collaboration with GIZ, Team Europe, and ITU , as well as NGO and ITU-supported programmes such as Sister of Code, Girl in STEM, Women in Tech, STEM Sister Cambodia, and Girl in ICT .

Tanzania and Beyond: Lived Experience as Policy Driver

Neema Lugangira was asked why women's leadership is essential to developing digital policies that are inclusive, effective, and future-ready . Her response was grounded in personal experience. She described how, after becoming a parliamentarian in Tanzania, she experienced online abuse and gender-related difficulties within her political party, which led her to investigate whether this was a widespread phenomenon . Finding that it was, she successfully championed the recognition of gender-based violence in elections as an electoral offence, making Tanzania the first country in Africa to do so . She also secured a requirement for every political party to have a gender desk and gender policies to address gender-based violence . It should be noted that the transcript's account of this sequence is partially disrupted by a technical repetition glitch, so the precise causal chain is described here in broad terms consistent with what can be reliably attributed.

Lugangira extended this argument to the international level, describing her role as co-rapporteur of the Interparliamentary Union Artificial Intelligence Resolution, which now mandates over 180 parliaments globally to look at and implement issues of AI . She argued that both achievements originated from "women looking at the issues from a different lens that generally others would not" , demonstrating that women's leadership is "not simply about a question of representation - it's rather a question of better policy making" .

She also raised a critical structural point: being at the table is insufficient without the capacity to use that position effectively. She described how women can attend meetings for an hour or two and leave without having spoken, or speak without being able to push their agenda or articulate their arguments in a way that draws the room's attention . She therefore called for investment in leadership, mentorship, and digital skills, arguing that women must be the safeguards of the digital future . She also described the African Parliamentary Network on Internet Governance, which she established to help African parliamentarians engage with digital governance issues and exercise a genuine oversight role .

In a notably direct exchange, Lugangira challenged the EU representative present in the room, observing that technology companies operating outside the EU "throw everything aside and they don't behave in the same nature" as within the EU , and asking whether EU-registered companies could be required to maintain a minimum level of acceptable standards globally, drawing a parallel with the mining sector . This challenge introduced a significant geopolitical dimension to the discussion about the asymmetric application of digital governance standards between the Global North and Global South.

Dominican Republic and Latin America: Mechanisms for Gender-Responsive AI Governance

Melissa Munoz Suro was asked what policy mechanisms have proven most effective in ensuring that AI governance is gender-responsive and includes the perspectives of young people, drawing on her experience helping shape the Dominican Republic's first national AI strategy and her current work developing a public AI stack for Latin America .

She outlined three mechanisms. First, she argued for building capacity before demanding representation, noting that "our seat at the table is incomplete without these right policy skills to understand the technology fully" . She cited the Semilleros Digitales programme in the Dominican Republic, which trained young people - half of them women - in AI and software development, many of whom are now working for the national ICT office . She also described a current collaboration with a national AI academy on a programme called Level Up, which teaches women to build AI solutions using natural language and generate income from them .

Second, she called for institutionalising participation so that it has a permanent home within governance structures, warning that "if participation doesn't have an institutional home, then after the picture ends, everything evaporates" . Third, she advocated for making AI infrastructure open by design, arguing that "open source itself is a mechanism for women and youth because when the code is open, those who were historically left behind and excluded can now co-create with the code" . This, she noted, is the principle underlying the public AI stack for Latin America that her organisation is currently building .

A Seven-Point Framework for Empowering Women in Digital Technology

Professor Salma Abbasi offered a comprehensive, seven-point framework - which she herself described as "seven simple things" - for what more needs to be done to empower women and girls to play an equal role in shaping digital technologies and policies . First, she called for changing the narrative that technology is a male domain, noting that girls in secondary schools are already aware of misogyny and the manosphere and are withdrawing from technology as a result, sometimes with the encouragement of teachers . Second, she identified social and cultural barriers, including family fears about toxic environments in tech and limited career advancement opportunities . Third, she called for moving women from users to architects, arguing that "there'll be huge difference in the human-centric AI if women are in the space of governing data and shaping the policies and implementing the algorithms" .

Fourth, she called for investing in lifelong learning and capacity building across digital literacy, cybersecurity, online safety, and digital ethics . Fifth, she emphasised ensuring women have an equal voice in creating the ecosystem of policy, bringing in all demographics across the Global South and different age groups . Sixth - and most confrontationally - she called for accountability for technology that harms women and girls, naming specific harmful applications including chatbots that encourage misogyny and male dominance, nude apps, and virtual companion apps such as Replica, arguing that "technology accountability must look at respect and dignity for women" . She also highlighted the silencing effect of deep fake images on women in public life, including parliamentarians . Seventh, she called for measuring the success and societal impact of technology beyond commercial returns for large tech companies .

Audience Contributions: Unpaid Care Work, Coordination, and Affordability

The Q&A segment introduced three important themes that had not been fully addressed by the panel. The first came from Laurie Shulman, a private sector stakeholder speaking in a personal capacity with over 35 years of policy experience, who argued that the structural presumption that women will provide free labour as caretakers is one of the biggest barriers to inclusion . She contended that "until we have structures that support parenting and mothering and elder care for all, these other objectives that we have will not reach their full potential" . Neema Lugangira responded with a personal example: her daughter, who had recently had a baby and paused her professional ambitions, used digital tools to set up a non-profit providing nutrition support to young mothers online . Lugangira suggested that "if digital future is used effectively, it can support mothers who are now finding themselves on full-time caring for their babies to also do some sort of work" - a response that offered a complementary perspective rather than directly addressing the structural critique about unpaid care work.

The second audience contribution came from Najah Hashimi of UNDP, who described the Women's Leadership Academy for the Digital Era, established in 2023 and now operating across 58 countries, and asked how to best connect women leaders around the world with the expertise they need while avoiding duplication of effort across organisations . Professor Abbasi responded by recommending that organisations conduct research to identify aligned partners, distinguishing between the types of capacity to be built - whether technical, policy-focused, or personal confidence - and then form coalitions with shared missions and co-fund initiatives, as exemplified by the ITU and GIZ partnership model, arguing that research-driven alignment can avoid duplication and achieve greater impact .

The third audience contribution came from Tania Gomez-Erazo, a digital transformation expert, who raised the challenge of ensuring affordable digital tools, skilled training, and a safe online environment for women and girls, noting that the cost of products can be prohibitively high . Professor Abbasi responded by sharing an example from rural India, where self-help groups of women traders and their daughters shared devices and learned digital skills together, creating intergenerational knowledge acceleration even among the poorest communities . She suggested this model could be adapted in Africa, while acknowledging that ITU and GIZ are better positioned to address hardware and infrastructure funding at scale .

The EU AI Act and Global Regulatory Reach

In response to Lugangira's earlier challenge about the extraterritorial application of EU standards, H.E. Michele Cervone d'Urso clarified that the EU AI Act does have global applications insofar as any producer wishing to access the EU market must comply with it . He also highlighted the Corporate Sustainability Due Diligence Directive as a complementary instrument with a broader human rights focus and global applications for businesses wishing to work with the EU . However, he acknowledged that these instruments may not be fully sufficient beyond EU-driven contexts , implicitly conceding the gap between EU regulatory ambition and global enforcement reality that Lugangira had identified.

Closing Hopes for 2030

The session concluded with each panellist offering a forward-looking hope for 2030. Dr. Nallis expressed hope that "2030 would be the year to prove that digital transformation can lift the vulnerability, not exposing them" . Neema Lugangira hoped that by 2030, "we will no longer be measuring women's participation in digital governance, but we will be celebrating women's leadership in shaping the digital future" . Professor Abbasi hoped that by 2030, women's inclusion in digital leadership would be recognised not merely as fair but as demonstrably effective . Melissa Munoz Suro hoped to see "more young women from the global south as leaders and implementers of the tech and innovation policies" . Sylvia Poll offered the most ambitious aspiration of all: that such sessions would eventually no longer be necessary, because gender equality in digital leadership would have been achieved . Kathleen Ziemann closed the session by thanking GIZ, the European Union, and all partners, and encouraging participants to follow the session's ongoing activities through social media.

Overall Assessment

The session demonstrated a remarkably high level of consensus across all speakers on the core proposition that women's meaningful participation in digital policymaking is both a rights imperative and a pragmatic necessity for better governance outcomes . Key areas of agreement included the inadequacy of consultation-only models , the importance of capacity building as a prerequisite for meaningful representation , the concrete harms caused by technology to women and the need for accountability mechanisms , and shared aspirations for 2030 in which women's leadership in digital governance is celebrated rather than merely measured .

The discussion also surfaced important nuances and unresolved tensions: the gap between policy frameworks and implementation ; the structural barrier of unpaid care work and whether digital tools can substitute for broader societal change ; the limits of EU regulatory reach beyond its own market ; and the challenge of coordinating the many organisations working on similar solutions . Taken together, these tensions suggest that while the normative case for women's digital leadership is now broadly accepted across the international community, the substantive debate has shifted towards how inclusion can be made durable, implementable, and equitable across regions and generations - a shift reflected in the session's consistent emphasis on moving from aspiration to concrete institutional action.

Kathleen Ziemann
Hello, everyone. So welcome to the session on women leading the digital future, shaping policy together. We just wait one more minute because apparently there is another room B where people were waiting for us. So we'll wait for them now as they will be transitioning from another room here. So if you would please give us one more minute just sitting here in preparation and aspiration of the panel, that would be very kind. Thank you so much.
Sylvia Poll
Thank you very much, Kathleen. And we're trying to make this a very dynamic session. So that's why we're taking turns. So welcome on behalf of ITU and GIZ and all our partners and speakers participating in this event. I would like to welcome you to the Women Leading the Digital Future Shaping Policy Together session here at the WSIS Forum. I hope everybody has enjoyed so far the WSIS Forum and the AI for Good Summit. And as you have seen, I'm very proud that it's one of the strongest WSIS Forum and AI for Good programs on gender matters and gender equality, including the gender digital divide. So this session is very, very important. Very appropriate to that. So I would like to start with something fun. So take out your phones, please. And as you can see, you have screens all around the room. and we'll have an ongoing Mentimeter. So we'll have one at the beginning and one at the end. And the first one we will be asking you is who comes to mind when you think about who shapes digital policy? So think about that a bit and join the – I'm going to do it, me too, so we can all participate in this very interesting, fun exercise. And so enter in one word, and you can do it while we continue with the session, so you can continue and then submit. So there's no time limit. So, again, the question is who comes to mind when you think about who should shape digital policy? Who should shape digital policy going forward? So I would like now to give the floor to His Excellency. Michel Servon de Urso. He's the Deputy Permanent Representative of the European Union and he will be giving remarks to this very important session. Please go ahead.
H.E. Michele Cervone d'Urso
Thank you very much and a big thanks and call out to GIZ for putting us all together this late afternoon of the Friday and for colleagues and friends being here. But, you know, I'll give some opening remarks but the ones you really want to hear is the distinguished and I want to hear the distinguished panelists on my left because they will be able to zoom in on regional realities from Tanzania to the Dominican Republic to Cambodia but also give the global picture on where we stand on women and their digital future. It's for us, for the EU and it's something that we are really prioritizing. Digitalization is reshaping our economies north, south, east, west. our societies and our public institutions. It is part of our daily life, whether it's at work, at home, in hospitals, in schools, everywhere. And I think you will hear from this from the data shortly. But for this transformation to be actually sustainable, we need essential to have inclusive, human -centered and a rights -based approach. And let's be frank amongst us from the outset, women are underrepresented in leadership, in decision -making roles in ICTs, including public institutions that design key digital policies and services. And, you know, we are here in one of the world's gender capitals, I can call it, because it's also a human rights hub. And we see that we are going backwards at times in gender equality across the board now beyond the digital. And the cost for inaction is too high. We lose opportunities, talent and rights, especially. I mean, I was looking at some statistics from UN Women and closing the gender digital divide alone could benefit 343 .5 million women and girls and generate an estimated 1 .5 trillion boost to global GDP by 2030. And we see, so we have to really deal with these persistent barriers in science and we have distinguished professors, technology, engineering, mathematics, education, technology -facilitated gender -based violence. These issues continue to really limit the role of women in the digital sphere. And it's not only the... It is not only the right thing to do, it's also the smart thing to do. More inclusive digital policy making leads to better decisions, strong institutions and digital transformation. that works better for everyone and faster growth, of course. I mean, I was really keen to be here because it's what we call also a Team Europe initiative. It's not only about the EU, it's also about our member states and their number of sponsors here. So together with Belgium, Estonia, France, Germany, Latvia and Spain, we have launched a specific joint initiative on women leadership in the public ICT sector. And this initiative crosses, I must say, all regions from the Middle East, Eastern Europe, Africa and Latin America. And we have a significant ambition. I mean, our goal is to empower women in the public ICT sector to shape gender responsive policies, strengthen capacities in public institutions and support greater access to girls and women to STEM pathways. And this also, this initiative also reflects our willingness to move from words, basically what I'm saying, to concrete support. And I think that's what we're trying to do for the next couple of years. And I think that's what we're trying to do for the next couple of years. And I think that's what we're trying to do and concrete deliverables. And we have our global gateway, which is really focusing on a fair, inclusive and human -centered digital transformation. We had several events on that actually this weekend we want to scale up uh further so you can really count on our commitment and in defending and advancing gender equality worldwide wish you a very fruitful discussion thanks.
Sylvia Poll
Thank you very much. Thank you very much, Your Excellency, for those very important remarks. And I would like to now check, how are we doing with the Mentimeter? Can we have a first shot at what has been the first responses before I hand over to Kathleen? So it's very interesting. We see some interesting comments. Youth, yes. Women everywhere, everyone. Despite my glasses, it's very small. Oh. And let me see. Well, men also. Yes, we need both women and men. And so I see quite a few ITU Secretary General. Good. So I see quite a few interesting responses. So you can continue including what you think, what comes to mind. So I now will pass over to Kathleen so she can moderate the panel discussion.
Kathleen Ziemann
Thank you very much, Sylvia. So welcome, everyone on the panel. We are very happy to have such great women featured here in the discussion. So I'll take just a moment to welcome all of you. Right. So to my left, Dr. Nallis Kry, Secretary of State at the Ministry of Women's Affairs from Cambodia. Welcome. Next to Nalis sits Neema Lugangira, Secretary General of the organization, Women Political Leaders. Then we have to the left of Nima, we have. Professor Salma Abbasi, founder and chairperson and CEO of the eWorldwide Group. And last but not least, Michelle Munoz, member of the ITU Secretary General's Youth Advisory Board. I could talk a lot about the biographies, but we don't have that much time and it's all online in our session. But I'm very, very impressed by the women representing also perspectives from academia, civil society, private sector, research, and also government to take part in our panel today. Also representing different regions from Africa, Asia, and also Latin America. So welcome our panelists. Welcome everyone. Yeah, I think we can have an applause. So women's leadership is not only a matter of equality, it is a prerequisite for better policymaking. And diverse leadership leads to more balanced decisions, broader perspectives and policies that respond to the needs to all citizens. And as AI and other digital technologies become more influential, it's essential that women are not only the users of the technology, but they're architects. And that means that they define the rules, standards and governance that guide its development. Designing digital policies, I think, without women at the table would be like planning cities uniquely with and for men. And that has happened in the past. If you think about the roads that endanger you in the dark or the play spaces that are in areas where children don't want to play, this is often happening because of this. The biased view of male engineers looking at cities and not thinking about the needs of women and children in the public spaces. And we can compare that to... digital governance, right? When we only have the engineers shape that, it might be happening the same, needing for digital policy to be unsafe or the digital space to be unsafe, particularly for women. So inclusive digital governance helps identify these unintended biases and promotes innovation that benefits everyone. And at the same time, meaningful participation requires more than only representation. It requires equal access to decision -making, leadership opportunities, digital skills, and the networks that shape policy agendas, something the women on the panel here stand for. And I hope this conversation will inspire all of us. And to start it off, we'll have a short lightning round, starting with you, Nallis, in terms of, please answer this one question by one minute. What is one key change needed to enable women to more effectively shape digital policy? Nallis, over to you.
H.E. Dr. Kry Nallis
Thank you, Kathleen. So first of all, I would like to thank the CIZ for the opportunity for me to be part of this important session. So let me address to your question about the key change that needed for women participation effectively in a digital policy. So I would raise about the transform the system and the digital sector. So they actively enable women. So this means embedding women participation, voice and representation in the design and formulation of the digital policy, not as only the consultation, but as a leadership. And it's also meaning ensuring women's equal participation. It in benefit from the outcome of digital policy. whether digital public services, online safety, framework and AI governance or digital skill programs. So when the system opens space and the digital sector enables women, and when the policy outcomes are equitable, women can more effectively shape the digital future. So thank you.
Kathleen Ziemann
Thank you so much, Nallis. I would love to hand over the same lightning question to you, Neema. So what is the key change needed from your perspective?
Neema Lugangira
Thank you very much. And special thanks to GIZ for inviting me and putting me on the panel. I think to me, the single biggest change that we need is to move women from being consulted to women being decision makers. And around the world, we're seeing that women remain underrepresented in institutions that shape digital policy. And that ranges from governments to regulators. To standard bodies and even AI governance processes, as we've seen this week. Therefore, we need to invest not only in women's digital skills, but it's important to also invest in women's leadership. That means creating pathways for women to lead ministries, regulatory authorities, parliaments and international governance processes where digital policies are actually being made. Thank you.
Kathleen Ziemann
Thank you, Neema. That was also a helpful perspective. Yeah. And so I just quickly add, you know, when we're talking about digital transformation, I think it's important to understand that women, we shouldn't be left to just use technology, but we should also help govern it. We should help write the rules so that we're not simply implementing them, but we're part of the process. Yeah, yeah, I agree a lot. What is your input in this lightning round, Salma, on the key changes?
Salma Abbasi
Thank you very much. First, I'd like to appreciate GIZ and the ITU, particularly Sylvia, for us to be here. I think that the question is very relevant. If we look at there isn't one, actually, one key change that we do. I think it needs to be a holistic approach because we've been talking about women's role in shaping policy through consultation for decades. And it's actually not working. So I think not only should we be consulted, but we should have an intergenerational female voice through that entire process. So the experiences of the young person can be brought in and the knowledge on the elder person, female lived experiences can be brought in as we shape the policy. The second aspect of that would be execution. I'm I'm one of those people who believe policy has to be very simple and implementable. If it's not implementable, there is no action. I think that's the first thing that we need to do. I think that's the first thing that we need to do. And we are in that position where we have seen, as the ambassador from the EU has said, that we are going back. So I think that the view and the conversation we'll have later on this morning and this afternoon will be the endorsement, execution and action where women stay throughout that life.
Kathleen Ziemann
Thank you so much. And I would love to hand over to Melissa for the last lightning input here.
Melissa Michelle Munoz Suro
Thank you, Kathleen. For me, the key change is definitely authorship. Like, let us women be part of the team that are building this technology and these policies. And especially young women from the global south like me that are normally in the best of scenarios just invited to give their feedback about systems or policies that are already in place and are already designed by someone else. Like, let us be the author of those things. And we are normally asked to react or validate. But we need more. We need. to be the author of these promises, and we need women in the rooms where the code and the policies are written. And just as someone mentioned yesterday in this beautiful breakfast that we had in the morning, women in tech is everybody's business.
Kathleen Ziemann
Thank you so much, Melissa, and also thank you for saving us some time because your answer was quite fast. I wanted to let you know, dear audience, that we have a Q &A, or that we are at least planning for a Q &A part to this session, which is a kind reminder to our dear panelists also now when we move to the individual questions we've prepared for you to not be too long because it is so much more interesting also to listen to what is in the room and what people want to know. But with that, I kick off the round of questions towards you. We'll start with you again, Nalise. So happy to have you here. So as a Cambodian Secretary of State, I would love to hear from your perspective, what are the key structural barriers towards participation and leadership in Cambodia's digital policymaking? and which reforms in particular and mechanisms have been the most important in addressing them?
H.E. Dr. Kry Nallis
Okay, thank you for the question. I would raise three main barriers which stop women, not stop, but which intervene women from joining in the digital policy. So the first one is women remain underrepresented in the core institution that shape digital and AI decision. So this includes a public ICT body, regulatory agency, and emerging AI governance structure. And the second one is we face a skill and capacity gap. So fewer women access advanced digital data and AI training, skills that are increasingly limited, and the third one is we face a skill and capacity gap. essential for leadership role in emerging technology governance. And the third one would be the persistent social norm. Continue to frame technology innovation and high -level policymaking as a model, as a male domain. So despite this barrier, Cambodia is not starting from zero. We have our strong policy foundation that supports women's leadership in digital transformation. So our first policy right now is our pentagonal strategy, which places human capital development at the center of our nation's progress. And another one is our Cambodia Science, Technology, and Innovation Roadmap 2030, which set a clear target that at least 40 % of graduates would be female in STEM field. And at the same time, we have a lot of women in STEM field. And at the same time, our digital economy and society policy framework, which lasts until from 2024 until 2035, provides a national direction for digital skill inclusion and also innovation. And we have another policy, which is a Cambodia digital government policy. So, this policy is reinforced by explicitly aiming to reduce the gender gap in digital skill through targeted initiative and program. And from our ministry, Ministry of Women's Affairs, we also have our five -year strategic plan. We call it Neri Rotna. So, now is the sixth version of our Neri Rotna. So, we prioritize gender mainstreaming, women's economic empowerment, women in leadership and governance, and also women participation in labor market, including digital. Digital and technical field. So across our ministry, we also have a gender mainstreaming action plan, which helps integrate gender equality into sector policy, including ICT innovation and digital transformation. So besides this, we also have some initiatives which we want to encourage more women and girls to participate in the digital policy and also digital world. So we have, through the collaboration with GIZ, Team Europe and ITU, we have a project we call Women Leadership in the Public ICT Sector, which is now implemented in Cambodia. So this project is aiming at building a digital future where we manage policy, design, solution and also govern the system that defines our society. And we have some initiatives by the NGO and ITU. And our partner also, we call it Sister of Code, Girl in STEM, Women in Tech, STEM Sister Cambodia. and Girl in ICT, which we want to remove some barrier which stop the girl from joining or participating in digital sector. So this is what we have done in Cambodia.
Kathleen Ziemann
Thank you so much for this overview. So moving from Asia to perspective from Tanzania and maybe also more broader with you, Neema, as secretary general from the Women Political Leaders Network. So you have helped shape AI and digital governance at national and global levels. Why is women's leadership essential to developing digital policies that are especially inclusive, effective and possibly future ready?
Neema Lugangira
Thank you very much. I think, first of all, women play a critical role because we take things from a perspective which many people don't think. calls. So I can give an example. In Tanzania, I started championing recognizing gender -based violence in election and political parties, and for that to be embedded in our Election Act and Political Parties Act, following my personal experience of online abuse after becoming a parliamentarian, as well as experiencing within the party gender -related difficulties with male counterparts who are coming from the same constituency. So that triggered me to find out, was that something peculiar just to myself, or was it happening to everyone else?
Kathleen Ziemann
Neema, one thing, could you maybe press the other button, because your mic is not...
Neema Lugangira
To find out whether that experience was just peculiar to me or to everybody else, and I came to find that it was happening to other parliamentarians as well, and that led me back in 2011... 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And we managed to do that. So right now, Tanzania is the first country actually in Africa to recognize gender -based violence in election as an electoral offense. And similarly, every political party is now required to have a gender desk and gender policies to address gender -based violence -related issues within the political party. Coming at an international level, having been participating a lot on artificial intelligence matters and understanding the impact of AI on democracy, human rights, and the rule of law, I became the co -rapporteur of the Interparliamentary Union Artificial Intelligence Resolution, which is now mandating over 180 parliaments globally to look at and implement issues of AI. but where did that start from it started from just women looking at the issues from a different lens that generally others would not so that goes to prove the importance of women's leadership which is not simply about a question of representation it's rather a question of better policy making and digital technologies now influence every aspect of our lives from education healthcare democracy security and even economic opportunities more and more we're talking about digital economy but how are women traders going to trade online if they'll be faced with online abuse so looking at things from that perspective so it's it's if those who are shaping digital policies don't don't reflect this diversity in our society in our experiences then our policies will actually reinforce existing inequalities instead of addressing them and that's why you know throughout my work this is something that i'm trying to push more and more and the quality of digital policies honestly depends on who is at the table. And once you're at the table, we need to have mechanisms to capacitate our women leaders to be able to comprehend and to be able to articulate their arguments and to be able to place them because you can be on the table and a meeting can be an hour long, two hour long, and you've left the table without speaking. But when you speak, you're not able to push your agenda positively and you're not able to articulate it and draw the attention of the room. So if we truly want to get women to lead the digital future, we must ask ourselves, one thing is to get them to the table. Second thing, how are we capacitating them to be able to do that? How are we empowering them to be able to do that? And just to sum up, we must strengthen women's capacity to influence these decisions. We must capacitate women's capacity. We must invest in leadership, mentorship, digital skills. because governments negotiate international commitments. But whether they lead from commitments to implementation, we need women to be the safeguards of this digital future. And that's what it means by shaping the digital future together. And one of the things that I did while in parliament and I'm still working on is we set up the African Parliamentary Network on Internet Governance to try and see how can we get our African parliamentarians conversant with these issues so that they can be able to voice concerns, have a true oversight role on the digital future. And my last point, since I have the EU here, EU have done a tremendous thing. I think they have an EU Act, EU AI Act. And the global players, the private sector in this digital sphere, behave in an incredible way, very well behaved within the EU. But the same companies, when they're operating out of the EU, if I take Africa, for example, they throw everything aside and they don't behave in the same nature. My ask to the EU is, is there a way that companies that are registered in the EU, doing business in the EU... can have a minimum level of acceptable standards across the world. This is something that has been done in other sectors, like the mining sector, etc. So I'm just throwing that to the EU person on the floor. Thank you.
Kathleen Ziemann
Makes a lot of sense to throw that in this direction. We have 15 minutes left to the session. We said we want to also include our audience, right? So when I hand over now the word to you, Melissa, just to confuse the order here a bit, please keep in mind that we want to enable also the women here at the table to ask questions. So, dear Melissa, you have helped shape the first national AI strategy in the Dominican Republic, and you are now working on the development of a public AI stack for Latin America. What policy mechanisms have proven the most effective in ensuring that AI governance is gender responsive and includes the perspectives of young people?
Melissa Michelle Munoz Suro
Thank you, Kathleen. Well, I will just three mechanisms that I have seen that work, at least from my experience back in the government and now in the role of civic society with the Center for Public Intelligence, where we are building this open source AI for my region. And the first one, and I agree with what my colleagues here said, is build capacity before asking for representation. And I know I'll talk about representation at the beginning, but our seat at the table is incomplete without these right policy skills to understand the technology fully. And I have seen this firsthand, for example, during my period in the government, we built this amazing program that I'm really proud of. It's called Semilleros Digitales in Spanish, that in that program, we trained young people that were not in our studying or working in AI and software development. And I'm proud to say that half of them were women. And now I've seen how those women are currently working for the national DR's office of ICTs. And another powerful example around capacity building now in CPI, we are currently collaborating with this national AI academy in this beautiful program called Level Up, where we are teaching women to be more than users of AI. And they are starting making money around it, building solutions out of just natural language. The second thing is after capacity, institutionalize the participation. As one of the ministers of ICTs mentioned yesterday at the same breakfast as I mentioned at the beginning, just do it, like throw it out there and put that policy in place. Because if participation doesn't have an institutional home, then after the picture ends, everything evaporates after the comments release. And last but not least. And this is really what I'm working on. Make AI infrastructure open by design. and that's what we are doing right now with building this public AI stack for the region in Latin America and we're trying to build open source AI systems for governments and open says open itself is a mechanism for women and youth because when the code is open you know you those who were historically left behind and excluded they can now co -create with the code and now they have and of course first put in place programs that help the capability for those people.
Kathleen Ziemann
Thank you Melissa. Salma what more needs to be done now to empower women and girls to play an equal role in shaping digital technologies and policies and rather than being only the users but really the you know shapers of the technology what is your perspective on that?
Salma Abbasi
Thank you very much. I'd like to take a holistic view that looks at the cultural social context and the environment in the technology space where we want young people to play. in i think there are seven simple things that we need to look at number one being to change the narrative that technology is only a male domain um earlier this year we had the international girls in ict day and i went to a secondary school in london and the girls were saying madam what about misogyny and what about the manosphere they're all aware of netflix and what's going on so they kind of withdraw themselves and we found that some of the teachers also discouraged the girls from getting involved in technology the second is the challenges and the social cultural barrier that hold girls back um it's the fear their families also have a fear of the toxic environment and that you'll never get a position or you will just be in the middle of have no influence and not have a career which needs to change and the third is moving women from users to architects if we see and as i think nima has beautifully identified when a woman is in a place and she can see the dangers and the issues technology changes policy changes and and i believe that there'll be huge difference in the human centric ai if women are in the space of governing data and shaping the policies and implementing the algorithms number four is investing in lifelong learning and capacity building again nima was talking about this not just in digital literacy but the whole aspect of cyber security staying safe online and what does it mean by digital ethics fifth is ensuring women have an equal voice and decision made in creating the ecosystem of a policy because there's great opportunities and bringing in all the demographics around the global south but also different ages sixth is the they create accountability for technology that harms women and girls and here i want to echo what was said earlier by the eu and again by an ema is if we look at technology that's grown today that people are using we must not forget that the chat box have been encouraging um misogyny male dominance violence the social media and we have games like replica which are basically your virtual companions which are very sexual abusive and derogative for women then why do we have ai that has nude apps there's no reason for these things so there's a whole aspect that is actually putting women back in the box and moving the dei backwards so we have to understand that technology accountability must look at respect and dignity for women and the last is measuring the success and the impact of technology if we're going to use ai other than return of investment for a big giant tech company What is it doing to society? How is it really helping us? And I think these are really important matters for us to make sure that women aren't silenced because of the abuse and the shame that's put on them by deep fake images, especially parliamentarians.
Kathleen Ziemann
Thank you. Thank you so much for this powerful statement. I would love to reserve now five minutes for Q &A. And I see already that there is one hand going up. Could you please say your name and also maybe to whom you're directing the question?
Audience
Yes. Excuse me. My name is Laurie Shulman and I'm part of the private sector stakeholder groups wherever. But I'm speaking in my personal capacity here as someone who's contributed to policy for over 35 years. So I'm coming to the end of my career when others are starting their career. I wholeheartedly support the comments that were made up here. But I'd like to take your statement. About abuse and switch it a little bit. I'll tell you the truth that's a concern no question but I have a greater concern about social constructs where in almost the entire world women are providing free labor as caretakers and one of the biggest barriers to inclusion is if you have to take care of a child or an elder and that presumption that the world is going to function on free labor from women has to go and I feel like until we have structures that support parenting and motherling and elder care for all that these other objectives that we have will not reach their full potential.
Kathleen Ziemann
Thank you so much for the statement happy to have a question now does someone want to have a question towards the panelists here?
Audience
I apologize it wasn't a question but I'm wondering though I'll phrase it as a question. Have you considered this issue? in your thoughts about women's?
Kathleen Ziemann
Okay, Neema wants to react.
Neema Lugangira
I can react to that actually sharing from a personal perspective. So as old as I look, I am a grandmom. My daughter had a baby last year and she had just graduated and therefore she had ambitions. She had ambitions, but obviously when you have a baby, you have to put it on pause. Similarly, myself, I had to put a lot of, some things on pause to be almost like a full -time grandma. But with Women Leading Digital Futures, she decided to set up a non -profit organization on nutrition and started doing, providing nutrition support to young mothers like herself online. So though you're talking about it on the free labor, I'm trying to flip it back to you also. If digital future is used effectively, it can support mothers and mothers who are now finding themselves on full -time caring for their babies to also do some sort of work.
Kathleen Ziemann
Thank you so much. One more question from the audience is very welcome. Don't be shy. I can see. Yes, your hand went up first, so you get the spot.
Audience
Thanks so much. My name is Najah Hashimi. I work for UNDP, and in 2023, we established a Women's Leadership Academy for the Digital Era, and we have a lot of learnings over the four years that it has grown to 58 countries. But the question I wanted to ask here is one of the things we struggle with is how to bring the right expertise to the women across the different regions and different sectors because we're doing a multi -sector approach. But we see here, and I've attended this event, for the first time, there's so much happening. So many organizations are investing in almost the same type of... questions and solutions. So I wanted to ask, what is your experience, the best way to connect women leaders around the world with what they need to know and understand around these debates?
Kathleen Ziemann
Who from us here on the panel feels entitled to answer that question? How to better connect? Salma?
Salma Abbasi
It's a very good question. I think it's a very good question. Is it on? No, it's on. It's a very good question. I actually struggle with the same thing. I think what you have to do is, as UNDP in particular, and women's organizations, you have to do some research to identify which organizations are aligned with you. I know that when I work on development projects, I always get co -funding because it's like the ITU and GIZ. You find allies that have the same mission. The same thing happens with capacity building. What is the capacity that you want to build? Is it technical? Or is it policy? Or is it personal confidence? So you have to do research. When you do your research and you find out who's aligned, and then you can actually avoid duplication and have a greater impact. I hope that helps.
Kathleen Ziemann
Thank you. So, Michelle just approached me and said, I really want to react to what Neema said about the EUAI Act. So, we take that as a question as well here. I'll hand over to you, Michele.
H.E. Michele Cervone d'Urso
Yes, no, very good question. And curious also to see that, at least in Tanzania, perhaps the EUAI Act is not having the impact that it should have, because it does have global applications. Of course, it's linked to the EU market, but if a producer, say, in North America, in Asia, wants to work basically in the EU, they have to abide to the EUAI Act. And we should not see the EUAI Act by itself. We have another very important legislative measure called the Corporate Sustainability Due Diligence Directive, which also has global applications. That's more focused on human rights. so not specifically UN rights environmental actually very relevant I would say for a country like Tanzania and businesses who want to work with the EU basically have and we discussed it here a lot in Geneva also in human rights firms have to have to apply it and some at times there's pushback also by the private sector some countries but they do have global application is it enough probably not because it remains EU let's say driven EU market and I think this week was looking at the more.
Kathleen Ziemann
Thank you I think we have one more question left in the audience and then I'm happy to hand over to you Sylvia for the mentee part yes the woman in orange here to my left.
Audience
I'm Tania Gomez -Erazo and I am in a digital transformation expert and in that capacity but also I think from the human perspective, I am very much worried about how women and girls worldwide can get access. You were, Dr. Abasi, you were talking about capacity building, right? And what worries me is that at this pace, at this stage, how can we in this multi -stakeholder environment help to guarantee affordable digital tools, skilled training, and at the same time providing a robust and safe online environment? Because when you design, develop, and deploy, the cost of products can go so high that women and girls cannot be able to afford to buy the products that they need. And I think that's a very important thing. I think that's a very important thing. I think that's to reach out technology. So do you have, Dr. Abbasi, any idea how we can make the difference?
Salma Abbasi
This question has to be to the ITU and GIZ. They are the people with the money and understand the hardware. I don't buy hardware. But I will tell you a lovely story in India, working in the rural areas for capacity building. We work with local NGOs. I'd love to try this in Africa. And we worked with women SMEs and traders, literally on the ground sitting around doing digital skills. And we asked, and they were ladies. It's called self -help groups, Google it, SHG. From those groups, which are in the millions, we asked them to bring their daughters. We did the capacity building with the mothers and the daughters. When they went home, that knowledge was retained and used and applied. It was magnificent. It was a way to save. It was a way to save money. Because they're also... shared the device amongst the mothers the self -help group and with the girls so you actually intergenerational knowledge accelerated I'm talking about the poorest of the poor so when we go up a scale I think GIZ were best positioned.
Kathleen Ziemann
Possibly yes but as I'm only the moderator yeah but in general providing hardware for long -term use it's what especially in educational institutions is something that can make a lot of difference and it's also something that GIZ that is doing, but also now in a very limited way. Sylvia, we had prepared that the panelists are concluding with one sentence in 2020-30, I hope. Should we do that and then move to the mentee? Is that OK?
Sylvia Poll
Sure yeah
Kathleen Ziemann
Okay so So, Nallis, maybe you can start us off. So, we've heard a lot of ideas and hopes. What is your hope in I hope. Well, please.
H.E. Dr. Kry Nallis
Thank you. So, I hope that 2030 would be the year to prove that digital transformation can lift the vulnerability, not exposing them. Thank you.
Kathleen Ziemann
Thank you. Neema.
Neema Lugangira
For me, I hope that by 2030, we will no longer be measuring women's participation in digital governance, but we will be celebrating women's leadership in shaping the digital future.
Kathleen Ziemann
That's sweet. Salma, what is your hope?
Salma Abbasi
Very similar to me. Same. You can just say same. It should not only be included because it's fair, but by 2030, I hope we can see that when women lead.
Kathleen Ziemann
Melissa
Melissa Michelle Munoz Suro
I think we are all aligned but by 2030 I hope that I can see more young women as from the global side as leaders and implementers of the tech and innovation policies.
Kathleen Ziemann
So Sylvia what does the mentee say about this
Sylvia Poll
I have a problem even with my glasses it's so small I also can't read it's very hard to read I hope everybody has been able to read but if I can add my hope is that we don't have to do these sessions anymore to highlight and that by Mina is to celebrate that we have achieved it.
Kathleen Ziemann
Thank you very much so I think we are more or less I don't know we are supposed to do another mentimeter or is this just so we can finalize with this but as you can see we've had a really amazing session i'm very grateful that we have so many people here and i would like everybody once we have finished to just come quickly to the back because we want to take a group photo and the photo with the panelists i know many of you might go to other sessions that are maybe running at two o 'clock so we can move quickly but thank you very much for participation in this event thank you to giz and the european union and all the partners and speakers who have come today and we will continue to support as itu these events and we're very happy with the collaboration with giz and we will have some more activities this year and so keep keep keep looking at our social media and and hopefully you will see all the great work that we're doing but thank you very much and and enjoy the rest of the afternoon and what is left over of the ai for good and with the summit. Thank you.

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