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Sustainable financing for digital development: Evidence building and experience sharing on mobilising domestic public resources and community-led partnerships

9 speakers
Summary

This session, organised by the Association for Progressive Communications, focused on the critical and long-neglected challenge of financing digital development and WSIS implementation, with Anriette Esterhuysen noting that a financing deficit has persisted since 2003 .

David Souter framed the discussion around four central questions: whether the goal is sustainable development or digital development; whether discussions should start from developmental challenges or technological potential; who should lead the debate; and what the implications are for national autonomy and sovereignty . He observed that during recent UN negotiations, developing countries focused on developmental impacts whilst OECD countries prioritised digital governance, and that financing for development was one of the issues not adequately addressed in the resulting resolution .

Céliane Pochon proposed strengthening the existing WSIS architecture rather than creating new bodies, and outlined a 'help desk' function within UNGIS to serve as a coordination entry point connecting member states and stakeholders to existing, but scattered, financial mechanisms . Nandini Chami argued that foundational digital infrastructure requires public financing because private investment does not flow to high-risk, low-return projects serving the most vulnerable, and warned that developing countries face a near-impossible task in raising domestic resources due to the difficulty of taxing multinational digital corporations and rising foreign exchange deficits from dependence on foreign AI services .

Rob Floyd provided stark data illustrating the scale of the problem, noting that in Nigeria, external debt service is 18 times the digital economy ministry budget, and in Tanzania, 64 times the ICT ministry budget . He nonetheless identified untapped resources in institutional investors such as pension funds, which in Ghana invest only 1% of their balance sheets in alternative assets despite prudential rules allowing up to 25% . Lauren Bieniek of the ITU reported that closing the digital divide requires an estimated USD 2.6-2.8 trillion, and highlighted the ITU's Digital Infrastructure Investment Catalyzer as a coordination platform for multilateral development banks, DFIs, and the private sector . Carlos Rey-Moreno stressed that macro-level finance consistently fails to achieve community-level connectivity, calling for financing bridges between large-scale capital and locally rooted solutions .

Deniz Susar, representing UNGIS, confirmed that the interagency task force on financing is now established and called for evidence-based, disaggregated analysis of financing gaps, avoidance of duplication, and concrete recommendations responsive to the high expectations of developing countries . The session concluded with a consensus that financing for digital development must be grounded in people-centred development priorities, driven by the needs of countries in the global south, and supported by structural reforms including global tax reform and improved domestic resource mobilisation .

Keypoints
  • Overall Purpose

  • The discussion was convened by the Association for Progressive Communications (APC) to examine the persistent and growing financing deficit in WSIS implementation. The session brought together panellists from international organisations, civil society, and government to assess how digital development - particularly for the most marginalised communities - can be adequately funded, and to provide input to the newly established UNGIS interagency task force on financing.
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  • Major Discussion Points

  • A long-standing financing deficit has undermined WSIS implementation since 2003, and structural reform is urgently needed. The moderator noted that a WSIS Task Force on Financing had produced comprehensive recommendations as far back as 2003, but very few were adopted in the Tunis Agenda, leaving a persistent implementation gap. David Souter reinforced this, observing that financing for development was one of the issues not addressed in depth during the WSIS+20 General Assembly process, and that the degree of opposition to establishing a financing task force was surprising given the acknowledged importance of ICTs to the SDGs. - The fundamental question of whether the goal is sustainable development or digital development remains unresolved and shapes the entire financing debate. Souter posed four overarching questions - concerning goals, starting points, leadership, and national autonomy - arguing that developing countries have consistently focused on developmental impacts whilst OECD countries have prioritised digital governance. The moderator echoed this concern, noting that sessions at the WSIS Forum that week had been framed around financing digital technology rather than financing sustainable development. In her closing remarks, she stressed that the original WSIS vision was people-centred development enabled by technology, not the development of technology per se. - Domestic public resources are critical but increasingly constrained, particularly in the Global South, due to debt burdens, tax revenue losses from digitalised multinationals, and rising foreign exchange deficits. Nandini Chami argued that private and blended finance cannot fully substitute for public investment in high-risk, low-return digital infrastructure projects serving the most vulnerable. She highlighted that the inability of Global South countries to tax virtualised multinational operations leads to significant revenue losses, and that growing dependence on foreign AI and cloud services creates a rising foreign exchange deficit. Rob Floyd provided stark data points illustrating the scale of the problem: in Nigeria, external debt service is 18 times the Ministry of Digital Economy's budget; in Tanzania, it is 64 times the ICT ministry's budget. - There is a significant financing gap between macro-level capital flows and the micro-level needs of community-based and last-mile connectivity, requiring dedicated bridging mechanisms. Carlos Rey-Moreno explained that community-centred connectivity initiatives do not fit easily into development finance structures - deals are too small, too local, and too complex for private financiers, whilst public finance systems still default to large-scale models even where those have repeatedly failed to reach excluded communities. Lauren Bieniek of the ITU confirmed that the estimated cost to close the digital divide has grown to between USD 2.6 and USD 2.8 trillion when demand-side factors such as digital skills and affordability are included, and acknowledged the need for small-ticket financing vehicles alongside macro-level instruments.
  • Improving coordination and navigation of existing financing mechanisms - including through a proposed UNGIS help desk - is a practical near-term step, though it must be complemented by deeper structural reform. Céliane Pochon proposed a help desk function within UNGIS to act as a signposting and liaison service, connecting member states and stakeholders to existing multilateral, bilateral, blended finance, and private sector mechanisms that are currently scattered and poorly visible. Rob Floyd supported this idea, noting that ministers of ICT often lack the development finance expertise of finance ministries and would benefit from targeted guidance. However, the moderator cautioned that better coordination alone does not fill structural financing gaps, and that reform of global taxation and financial architecture remains necessary.
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  • Overall Tone

  • The discussion was earnest, technically substantive, and at times candid about frustration with slow progress. The opening remarks carried a sense of urgency as the moderator was direct in stating that the financing deficit had been acknowledged since 2003 without adequate action , and Souter expressed personal disappointment at the bruising nature of financing negotiations during the WSIS+20 process . As the session progressed, the tone became more analytical and constructive, with panellists offering concrete data, proposals, and frameworks rather than simply cataloguing problems. Rob Floyd and Lauren Bieniek introduced a note of cautious optimism, pointing to untapped institutional investor resources and innovative financing tools . Mehdi Snene offered a grounded, positive perspective on how countries in the Global South are increasingly prioritising digital transformation despite resource constraints . By the close, the tone was collaborative and forward-looking, with the moderator framing the session's outputs as direct input to the UNGIS task force and calling for continued community engagement . Throughout, there was a consistent undercurrent of concern about power asymmetries and the risk that financing agendas would be driven by external donors and commercial interests rather than by the priorities of developing countries themselves .
Speakers Overview
AE
Anriette Esterhuysen
146 wpm · 14 min
DS
David Souter
163 wpm · 4 min
CP
Céliane Pochon
170 wpm · 4 min
NC
Nandini Chami
159 wpm · 3 min
MS
Mehdi Snene
129 wpm · 5 min
RF
Rob Floyd
134 wpm · 5 min
CR
Carlos Rey-Moreno
156 wpm · 3 min
LB
Lauren Bieniek
159 wpm · 5 min
DS
Deniz Susar
140 wpm · 3 min

Expanded Summary: Financing Digital Development and WSIS Implementation - APC Session at the WSIS Forum

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Opening and Context

This session, organised by the Association for Progressive Communications (APC) at the WSIS Forum, addressed what the moderator, Anriette Esterhuysen, described as one of the most persistently neglected challenges in the WSIS process: the financing of digital development and WSIS implementation. Esterhuysen opened by stating plainly that meaningful progress on digital equality in an increasingly complex digital world is impossible without confronting the topic of financing directly . She noted that she had been a member of the WSIS Task Force on Financing, convened by the Secretary-General at the end of 2003 to report back to the second phase of WSIS in Tunis, and that despite producing a comprehensive report, very few of its recommendations were taken seriously or incorporated into the Tunis Agenda . The consequence, she argued, has been a structural financing deficit in WSIS implementation that has persisted since 2003 and which now demands urgent attention .

The panel brought together a diverse group of speakers, including Lauren Bieniek from the ITU's Digital Infrastructure Initiative, Céliane Pochon from the Swiss Federal Office of Communications, Carlos Rey-Moreno from APC, David Souter as an independent consultant, Rob Floyd from the African Centre of Economic Transformation, Nandini Chami from the Global Digital Justice Forum and IT for Change, Deniz Susar from UNDESA, and Mehdi Snene from the UN Office of Digital and Emerging Technologies . Notably, three panellists - Mehdi Snene, Deniz Susar, and Lauren Bieniek - were members of the newly established UNGIS interagency task force on financing, mandated by the WSIS+20 outcome document . The session was thus designed not only as a public discussion but as a direct input to that task force's forthcoming work.

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David Souter: Four Foundational Questions

David Souter, who has been involved in the WSIS process since before the original summit and was part of the team working with co-facilitators through the General Assembly process in the preceding year, provided the session's intellectual framework . He acknowledged that the WSIS+20 General Assembly process had been as successful as it could be in reaching an uncontested resolution under difficult circumstances, but noted that doing so meant some issues were not addressed in depth - and financing for development was one of them . He expressed personal disappointment at how bruising the arguments around financing had been during the negotiations, and surprise at the degree of opposition to establishing a financing task force, given that it was generally acknowledged that ICTs must play a major part in achieving the SDGs, that a similar task force had existed between the first and second WSIS sessions, and that the UN had just agreed a significant commitment on finance for development .

Souter then posed four questions which he argued should be central to the financing debate. The first concerned goals: is the objective sustainable development or digital development, the development of society or the development of technology ? He observed that during the WSIS+20 negotiations, developing countries had focused on developmental impacts whilst OECD countries had focused on digital governance, representing two fundamentally different paradigms . The second question concerned starting points: should discussions begin from establishing the key developmental challenges that need to be addressed, or from what the potential of digital technologies is to address them - and is the discussion people-centred or technology-centred ? He noted that commercial businesses, which are the major investors and are mostly located in the global north, have different investment priorities from governments in the global south, which focus on development . The third question was about leadership: should the debate be led by development actors or the digital community ? Souter argued that at minimum it needs to be a joint endeavour, an equal dialogue addressing opportunities and risks together, grounded in developmental realism rather than digital solutionism . The fourth question concerned national autonomy and sovereignty: investment priorities for individual countries ought to be determined within those countries in line with national priorities, not resolved by the views, decisions, or priorities of external donors or commercial interests . He asked how this could be upheld given the power asymmetries in today's digital environment, and particularly in tomorrow's AI-dominated environment .

Esterhuysen immediately validated Souter's paradigm critique, noting that the financing sessions she had attended during the week had not talked about financing sustainable development - the conversation had been primarily about financing digital . This observation set a critical tone that would recur throughout the session.

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Céliane Pochon: Integration Over Proliferation and the Help Desk Proposal

Céliane Pochon, drawing on two non-papers developed at the Swiss Federal Office of Communications - the first from June 2025 on WSIS Plus, and a follow-up from March 2026 translating the WSIS+20 outcome documents into a concrete implementation architecture - presented a proposal centred on the principle of "integration over proliferation" . Rather than creating new bodies, the proposal sought to strengthen the existing WSIS architecture. She outlined a proposed policy cycle in which the IGF identifies emerging issues and frames the agenda, UNGIS turns these into concrete implementation planning, the WSIS Forum showcases progress on the ground, the Secretary-General's biannual report builds the evidence base, and CSGD and ECOSOC provide intergovernmental guidance, before the loop returns to the IGF . She also proposed a small, balanced multi-stakeholder advisory group to complement UNGIS, grounded in the Sao Paulo multi-stakeholder guidelines, and welcomed the fact that such a group was being established - as she noted, "as we speak" - in the form of the multi-stakeholder collaboration group attached to UNGIS .

On the specific question of a help desk function, Pochon argued that the problem it is designed to address is real and directly experienced: there is no clear single door for people to knock on, and the WSIS architecture, whilst rich, is genuinely hard to navigate, especially for those with limited capacity to track every mechanism, fund, and facilitator across the system . As she envisioned it, the help desk would sit as a liaison and signposting service - not a parallel policy advice body - and would not duplicate the action line facilitators or other existing technical providers . Concretely, it would connect member states and stakeholders to existing financial mechanisms - multilateral, bilateral, blended finance, private sector, and partnerships - that are currently scattered and poorly visible . She recommended that this function be built on the UNGIS task force foreseen in the WSIS+20 outcome document, tasked to map financing gaps, and that its recommendations be brought to the CSGD in 2027 . The core value of the proposal, she emphasised, is that it does not ask for new infrastructure - it asks only that existing infrastructure be made more accessible, particularly for those with the least capacity to navigate it themselves .

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Nandini Chami: Public Finance, Fiscal Justice, and the Limits of Blended Finance

Nandini Chami, representing IT for Change and the Global Digital Justice Forum, offered a structural and political-economic critique of the current financing landscape. She argued that foundational digital, data, and AI infrastructures require public financing because private and blended financing cannot fully meet the gap: the private sector does not invest in high-risk, low-return projects, which is precisely the case when it comes to financing digital infrastructure for the most vulnerable and their human development needs . She cited ITU research on financing for connectivity and UNSD's report on innovative financing mechanisms for AI as evidence of this gap.

Chami also challenged the dominant blended finance narrative directly, citing Mariana Mazzucato's evidence for UNDESA suggesting that in practice, concessional public finance is leveraging non-concessional public finance to support private initiatives, with limited participation from genuinely de-risked private capital . The expected multiplier effect has not materialised. She then turned to the constraints on domestic public resources, arguing that developing countries find themselves in a near-impossible bind for two reasons . First, the inability of the global south to effectively tax virtualised business operations of multinational corporations leads to huge revenue losses, especially as global trade becomes more digital . Second, as domestic economies' dependence on foreign AI models and cloud services increases, there is a rising foreign exchange deficit . She cited scholar Srimas Raghavendra's warning that this risks reproducing a dual economy or two-speed structure, in which a hyper-productive AI-integrating foreign-owned enclave sets the national cost base whilst the domestic sector is forced to suppress wages, operate on thin margins, and under-invest simply to remain viable in export markets . This concern is compounded by already high levels of public debt: she noted that 25 out of 54 countries are spending more on interest payments than on health and food security, citing a recent study on the subject . Chami concluded that there are no easy solutions, but that returning to the "tired playbook of blended financing that has failed" is not the answer, and that solutions must recognise that fiscal justice is digital justice .

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Mehdi Snene: A More Optimistic Ground-Level Perspective

Mehdi Snene, from the UN Office of Digital and Emerging Technologies (ODET) in the Secretary-General's office, offered a contrasting and more optimistic perspective grounded in observed country behaviour. He argued that even the poorest countries are accelerating the scaling up of digital public infrastructure adoption, and that digital transformation has become a core topic and core discussion in the global south . He described his work on the Secretary-General's innovative financing and voluntary options for AI capacity building, which reviewed multiple use cases for implementing AI across compute, data collection, capacity building, energy, and connectivity .

Snene drew particular attention to the transformative effect of the COVID-19 crisis, which he argued fundamentally changed how developing countries viewed digital transformation: countries with no digital infrastructure were forced to confront how to roll out vaccination campaigns and manage social benefit programmes, and this experience drove rapid domestic prioritisation of digital investment . He noted that the notion of national sovereignty over data and AI is increasingly motivating countries to treat digital transformation as a national priority . Whilst acknowledging that many member states do not yet have the capacity to implement the full spectrum of digital transformation, he observed that many previously isolated countries are now putting significant domestic budgetary efforts into implementation because they have seen the return on investment in terms of job creation, better education, and better health planning . He advocated for a bottom-up approach - starting from what is happening on the ground and building upward - as the most effective way to achieve faster and better impact .

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Rob Floyd: Stark Data and Untapped Resources

Rob Floyd, from the African Centre of Economic Transformation, provided some of the session's most striking empirical contributions. He confirmed that there is simply less development finance in the system today, and that the cost of capital is higher than it has been in the past, particularly as emerging middle-income countries access the Eurobond market under high debt loads . He then offered a series of country-level data points that gave concrete force to the structural critique: in Nigeria, external debt service is 18 times the budget of the Ministry of Digital Economy; in Kenya, debt service is 45 times the ICT sector budget; in Uganda, 54 times the digital transformation budget; and in Tanzania, 64 times the budget of the ICT ministry . His conclusion was stark: by definition, there is not enough public finance to support digital development .

Despite this, Floyd expressed genuine optimism about what can be done. He called for strong support for ongoing global financial architecture reform, including work on debt restructuring and taxation, specifically mentioning the UN Convention on Global Taxation as a lever to lower the cost of capital and increase domestic resources . He noted that in Africa, low tax-to-GDP ratios are not a technical challenge but a political one, and that where influence on governments exists, it should be used to increase domestic resource mobilisation . He then highlighted a largely untapped bucket of resources: institutional investors such as insurance companies, pension funds, and sovereign wealth funds, which are heavily underinvesting in domestic digital development. As a concrete example, he noted that pension funds in Ghana invest only 1% of their balance sheets in alternative assets when prudential rules would allow up to 25% . He also pointed to 11 African multilateral financial institutions with a collective balance sheet of $70 billion that could be better coordinated and directed towards digital investment . On the efficiency side, he noted that significant gains are possible through better use of existing public budgets, particularly in digital development .

Floyd also directly endorsed Céliane Pochon's help desk proposal, but gave it a more targeted rationale: whilst ministers of finance generally have a good sense of what financing avenues and instruments are available, ministries of ICT and digital economy are often run by people from the tech industry who simply do not have the wealth of experience of having worked in international development throughout their careers . A help desk targeted specifically at those ministries would therefore be of huge value, particularly in Africa .

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Carlos Rey-Moreno: The Financing Divide Behind the Digital Divide

Carlos Rey-Moreno, working on community-based connectivity at APC, addressed the gap between macro-level financing and the realities of communities on the ground. He argued that at the macro level, money flows predominantly into large transactions, multilateral deals, national funds, financing for big operators, fibre backhaul, tower companies, and data centres - and whilst these are important and do contribute to closing the digital divide, they are not sufficient . The ITU and its Digital Infrastructure Investment Initiative have pointed to the need for complementary approaches: if meaningful connectivity is to be achieved for the more than two billion people still excluded, a much wider ecosystem of financing models must be supported .

The challenge, Rey-Moreno explained, is that community-centred connectivity initiatives do not fit easily into the way most development finance is structured. For private financiers, the deals are too small, too local, and too complex relative to their transactional costs. For public financiers, whilst there are promising openings, the systems still tend to default to the same large-scale models, even where those models have repeatedly failed to reach the last mile . He argued that the real issue is not a competition between micro and macro approaches, but the need for a financing bridge between them - mechanisms that can translate macro-level capital into support for smaller, community-led, and locally-rooted solutions . He described APC's work, supported by FCDO and SIDA, on blended finance approaches at the micro level, channelled through specialised intermediaries, as showing evidence of working in other sectors, and explicitly distinguished this from the macro-level blended finance critique raised by Nandini Chami . His key message to the task force members present was that closing the digital divide requires also closing the financing divide behind it, and he invited partners interested in this tension to engage .

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Lauren Bieniek: The Scale of the Gap and the ITU's Catalyzer Platform

Lauren Bieniek of the ITU's Digital Infrastructure Initiative began by situating the discussion within the ITU's foundational work on the scale of the financing gap. The Digital Infrastructure Investment Initiative, launched in 2024, estimated the digital infrastructure investment gap at $1.6 trillion, focusing on hard infrastructure from fibre backbone and data centres to last-mile fixed and wireless networks . The subsequent 2025 Connecting Humanity Action Blueprint expanded this to include demand-side factors - digital upskilling, affordability including mobile devices and data costs, and policy and regulatory support - bringing the total estimated financing need to close the digital divide to between $2.6 and $2.8 trillion . She noted that this figure is growing not because more people are becoming disconnected, but because the true cost of closing the divide is better understood as connectivity thresholds rise and the ambition for meaningful connectivity increases .

Bieniek then described the ITU's Digital Infrastructure Investment Catalyzer, launched jointly with UNCTAD at the Financing for Development Forum in Sevilla as part of the Sevilla Platform for Action . This is a coordination platform bringing together multilateral development banks, DFIs, private sector tech companies, and civil society to share tools, templates, data, and capacity building resources, and to advance actual transactions and mobilise capital . Bieniek explicitly invited all participants not yet part of the Catalyzer working group to join it . She indicated that the Catalyzer would welcome the help desk idea, noting that a major challenge is visibility into country pipelines and knowing the entry point to scope projects and bring them to the platform . Coming down to the micro level, she acknowledged the ITU's own recognition of the need for small-ticket financing opportunities for Internet service providers , and expressed cautious optimism about blended finance if domestic public resources - such as universal service funds - serve as the concessional layer, rather than relying on international development finance . She also highlighted innovative ways to raise financing from spectrum auctions, taxation, and government purchasing power as anchors for network demand . Her final point was that even with all these mechanisms, it ultimately comes down to prioritising and protecting domestic public resources for digital development in markets with many competing demands, and that better modelling of the return on investment would help governments justify continued investment .

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Deniz Susar: The Task Force Mandate and the Path Forward

Deniz Susar, representing UNDESA and one of the task force members present, confirmed that the UNGIS interagency task force on financing is now established, with its mandate drawn from paragraph 67 of the WSIS+20 outcome document, which asks ITU - in its new role as Secretariat of UNGIS - to coordinate the task force . She noted that the task force is yet to hold its first meeting but that members are eager to work . The mandate is to assess gaps and challenges and make concrete recommendations .

Susar offered three inputs for the task force's approach. First, evidence: the task force needs to understand where financing gaps really are, and they are not the same in every country - in some cases it is connectivity, in others digital skills - so the data must be disaggregated as much as possible . Second, building on what already exists: she welcomed the help desk proposal put forward by the Swiss Federal Office of Communications as a good example of identifying what works, where gaps remain, and how countries can navigate the system, and indicated she would bring this idea to the task force . She also noted that the session's discussion, alongside the previous day's high-level dialogue on financing, would provide valuable input to the task force's work . Third, producing concrete recommendations: she emphasised that the establishment of the task force was a major ask from developing countries and the G77, discussed to the late night during negotiations, and that member states have high expectations for something practical and concrete .

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Closing Synthesis

In her closing remarks, Esterhuysen returned to Souter's four foundational questions as a framework for the task force's work. On the first question - what is the actual goal - she stressed that when WSIS began, it was about people-centred development enabled by technology, not about the development of technology per se or any particular manifestation or phase of technology . On the second - where to start - she noted that all the AI discussions she had heard during the week started with the AI, not with the needs that AI might or might not address . On the third - who should lead - she argued that whilst both development actors and the digital community must be involved, placing development actors at the front of the conversation is important, and that engaging people working in development finance more broadly, such as Rob Floyd, would provide a very different picture from one whose entry point is purely digital . On the fourth - implications for sovereignty and national autonomy - she raised the question of how to ensure that partnerships, investments, and relationships are driven and shaped by stakeholders within developing countries rather than by external interested parties .

She closed by committing to document the discussion and encouraging participants to follow the UNGIS website and engage with the task force's work as it develops, noting that the session represented the beginning, not the end, of a conversation that has been going on for too long without adequate resolution .

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Key Tensions and Unresolved Questions

The session surfaced several significant tensions that the task force will need to navigate. The most fundamental is the paradigm divide between a sustainable-development framing and a digital-development framing, which Souter and Esterhuysen identified as having hampered negotiations and which remains unresolved . A second tension concerns blended finance: Chami explicitly rejected it as a failed model at the macro level , whilst Bieniek expressed cautious optimism about its potential if restructured with domestic public resources as the concessional layer , and Rey-Moreno carefully distinguished between macro-level failures and demonstrable micro-level potential through specialised intermediaries . A third tension exists between Snene's relatively optimistic account of growing domestic prioritisation of digital investment and the structural constraints identified by Floyd and Chami, including debt service obligations that dwarf digital economy budgets by factors of up to 64 times and the near-impossible bind of taxing digital multinationals . Finally, there is a tension between those who emphasise better coordination of existing resources as the primary near-term response - represented most clearly by Pochon's help desk proposal - and those who argue that structural reform of the global financial architecture, including global taxation and debt relief, is a prerequisite for meaningful progress .

These tensions reflect genuine political and analytical differences that the UNGIS task force will need to navigate carefully if it is to produce recommendations that are both concrete enough to satisfy G77 expectations and structurally ambitious enough to address a financing deficit that has persisted since 2003 .

Anriette Esterhuysen
down. The WSIS forum is nearly over. The AI dialogue is over for now. We might be joined by some more people. So, shall we leave the door open for a little bit? You can leave it open for a few minutes. But let's start on time. So, welcome, everyone. My name is Annette Esterhuisen. I'm with the Association for Progressive Communications organizing this session on their behalf. And we'll have a really good introduction from David Souter. I just want to start by saying that we really cannot talk about implementing the WSIS, never mind the broader goal of digital equality in an increasingly complex digital world. if we are not going to confront the topic of financing. I was a member of the WSIS Task Force on Financing, which the Secretary General convened at the end of 2003 to report back to the second phase in Tunis, and that task force produced quite a comprehensive report, but very little of our recommendations were taken really seriously and considered and included in the Tunis agenda. So we've had a WSIS implementation financing deficit since 2003, and I think we really now are at a juncture. If we don't confront that seriously, we are not going to make progress. So I'm very honored to invite my panel and introduce you to them very briefly. We have, starting on that side, we have Lauren Biennick from the ITU, part of the ITU's Digital Infrastructure Initiative. Next to her, we have Céliane Pochon from, Switzerland, from the Swiss Federal Office of Communications. online we have Carlos there he is, Carlos de Moreno my mentor I don't normally use that word when it comes to financing, my colleague with APC that I've learned a lot about financing from and then we have David Souter also online who will give us introductory remarks, an independent consultant who's been part of this WSIS process in different capacities there are bios on the website also joining us online is Rob Floyd from the African Centre of Economic Transformation, he's in Accra as far as I know, lots of hands -on experience in Africa working on financing for development and here we have Nandini Chami from the Global Digital Justice Forum and IT for Change based in India but working globally and to my right we have Denise Suzar from UNDESA who also has been part of this process and very much part of the WSIS architecture, part of the UNGUS process, and part of the IGF Secretariat. And there, sitting over there, we have Mehdi and Znani from the Office of Digital and Emerging Technologies and the SG's office, Odette, and also a member of the UNGUS task force. So I think we have Mehdi, Denise, and Lauren. Lauren. We have three people with us that are a member of this task force. And I think, David, you'll probably say a bit more about this task force. It's an interagency task force on financing. It's mandated to UNGUS to have convened this. UNGUS has done so. And there was this outcome document. And UNGUS is the UN group on the Information Society. You've probably heard about them in the past week. But a very important interagency, UN mechanism when it comes to WSIS implementation. So not to waste any further of your time, David, can you give us a little bit of background on how this topic of financing has been dealt with and discussed in the WSIS Plus 20 process?
David Souter
Well, thanks, Henriette. My apologies if I sound a little odd. I had a dental operation this morning and I'm still feeling the effects of that. But as you said, I've been involved in WSIS since actually before the summit, so at the turn of the century, and I was part of the team working with the co -facilitators through the General Assembly process last year. So I think that process was as successful as it could be. It was really an achievement to reach an uncontested resolution in very difficult circumstances. But doing so meant that some issues were not addressed in depth and financing for development was one of them. I was personally disappointed by how bruising the arguments around that were during the negotiations. And I was surprised by the degree of opposition to it. I was surprised by the fact that we had a very good task force that was proposed for three reasons. One, it was a very good task force, and it was a very good task force. First, because it's generally acknowledged that ICTs must play a major part in achieving the SDGs, which almost everyone still sees as our core objective. Second, because, as you mentioned, there was a taskforce along these lines between the first and second sessions of WSIS itself. And third, because the UN had just agreed this severe commitment on finance for development, which was an obvious basis for discussions on financing digital development. So the issue is fundamental, not least because of the shift away from ODA, and will have to be addressed substantively in the SDG review in 2030, to which I think the discussions at the beginning now also have to be directed. I want to raise four questions, which I think should be central to this, which is to do with the goals, starting point, leadership and national autonomy. So first, what's the actual goal? Is it about sustainable development or is it about digital development? Is it about the development of society or the development of technology? I think two paradigms in the negotiations last year, developing countries focused on developmental impacts, OECD countries focused on digital governance. Well, the development goals are surely crucial here. The second, therefore, is what ought to be the starting point of these discussions? Should they start from establishing the key developmental challenges that need to be addressed or from what the potential of digital technologies is to address them? And in what terms I say is that is this discussion people centered or centered on technology? Governments in the global south focus on development. Commercial businesses, which are major investors, mostly focused in the global north, have different priorities for their investments. And I think this in particular. Developing countries have decades of experience navigating the range of financial resources available to them. The bigger problem seems to be ensuring that donors and investors understand those countries' diverse circumstances and recognise their diverse national priorities. And that's where I think the biggest need for help arises. Third, who should lead the debate? Development access or the digital community? I'd say at least it needs to be a joint endeavour, equal dialogue, addressing opportunities and risks together, recognising there are no certain outcomes based on developmental realism rather than digital solutionism. And finally, what are the implications for national autonomy and sovereignty? Investment priorities for individual countries ought to be determined within those countries in large numbers. And that's in line with national priorities, not resolved from the views, decisions or priorities of external donors or commercial interests. So how will that work with the power asymmetries there are in today's digital environment? And particularly, I would say, AI in tomorrow's
Anriette Esterhuysen
digital environment. So those are the four questions I hope will be addressed. Back to you, Henriette. Thanks very much for that, David, and being brief. The speakers, we've developed some quite specific questions for you, but I think it would be useful if you can reflect on David's overarching questions, as you respond to your questions, because I think they are really fundamental. And I must say, David, my experience so far this week in the sessions that I've been attending on financing have not talked about financing sustainable development. The conversation has primarily about financing digital. So a very, very appropriate question that you're raising there. Cillian. Thank you. Thank you. firstly for being a co -organizer of this event and all the other work that you do in the Federal Office of Communications. You propose this idea of a help desk function, something within the UN Group on the Information Society, some kind of mechanism that can act as an entry point for requests from governments and other stakeholders on accessing financing. Tell us a little bit more about this idea and how you can see it operating within this context.
Céliane Pochon
Hello, everybody. Thank you so much for having me. In order to answer your questions, I'd like to first share some reflections building on two non -papers we've been developing at Ofcom. The first one from June 2025 on a WSIS Plus and a follow -up in March 2026 translating the WSIS Plus 20 outcome documents into a concrete implementation architecture moving from political commitments to implementation. The second one is a proposal that we're working on right now and it's a proposal that we're working on and it's a proposal that we're working on and it's a proposal that we're working on an actual functioning policy cycle. So the core idea in all of this is integration over proliferation, and this is something we've been hearing over the past few days here in Geneva. Rather than creating new bodies, we propose to strengthen the existing WSIS architecture. For example, the policy cycle here that we see has a logic to it, and let me briefly look at this. So the IGF identifies the emerging issues of the Internet Governance Forum that you all know and frames the agenda. UNGIS then turns this into concrete implementation planning. The WSIS Forum, where we are at today, showcases progress on the ground. The Secretary General's biannual report builds the evidence base, and then CSGD and ECOSOC provide the intergovernmental guidance, and this leads back to the IGF, and the loop is created again. Here in the core architecture that we are proposing in our non -papers, we also propose a multi -stakeholder advisory group to complement UNGIS, so a small balanced body of government, private sector, civil society, academic and technical voices grounded in the Sao Paulo multi -stakeholder guidelines in order to keep this engine genuinely multi -stakeholder. And we welcome the fact that this idea is actually being established as we speak in the form of the multi -stakeholder collaboration group attached to UNGIS. On the help desk that you asked in your question, there's one element that I think deserves particular attention here. It's that this group, so the proposed with its help desk function, builds on a recommendation that builds back on the UN Secretary's general high -level panel on digital cooperation. So this is not a total new idea. And the problem, it's meant to, is real and one that people encounter directly. There's no clear single door for people to knock on. The WSIS architecture, as we know, is rich, but it's genuinely hard to navigate, especially for those with limited capacity to track every mechanism, fund, facilitator across the system. And as we envisioned the WSIS, the help desk, it would sit as a liaison and a signposting service, not a parallel policy advice body, and it wouldn't duplicate the action line facilitators or other existing technical providers. And then concretely, and this is my last point on financing specifically, it would connect member states and stakeholder to existing financial mechanisms, multilateral, bilateral, blended finance, private sector, and partnerships that are currently existing, but scattered and poorly visible. This idea could be built on the UNGIS task force foreseen in the WSIS plus 20 outcome document that was adopted last December, as you mentioned, and it could be tasked to map financing gaps. And I would recommend strengthening mechanisms to the CSGD next year in 2027. The help desk could be a front door and an entry point to whatever mapping produces, and such a function could act as coordination entry point, directing requests from member states and stakeholders, particularly for developing countries to relevant UN entities on available financing mechanisms and resources. And if expanded, if this is wished and considered practicable, it could also offer policy advice, technical assistance, and capacity development support. In light of time, I will not go more into detail about this, but I am available if you want to talk more about this. And we really see real value in this proposal because it doesn't ask for a new infrastructure. It just asks us for the infrastructure that we have to be made more accessible, particularly for those with least capacity to navigate it themselves. Thank you.
Anriette Esterhuysen
Thanks for that, Celia. And I think that really addresses particularly resources that might be available. Thank you. outside of the topic of my next question, which is domestic public resources. And I think definitely better coordination and availability of information is always incredibly helpful, but it does not necessarily succeed in filling the structural gaps in the financing landscape. Now, one of the topics that's been discussed since the WSIS is the role of government, the role of domestic public resources. What are they? How should they be galvanized? What should they be directed to? And it's a conversation that I think is still ongoing and not resolved. Nandini, from your perspective, what's included under this banner of domestic public resources? And why is it important, or do you agree that it's important for us to talk about it in the context of WSIS implementation, and if so, why?
Nandini Chami
Thank you for the opportunity to share our thoughts from MIT. Thank you for the opportunity for change in this important discussion. Thank you. so by domestic public resources like everyone here we understand this refers to a country's internally generated funds that governments use to honor the social contract with their citizens providing public goods and services increasing equity and helping manage macroeconomic stability so because time is brief i will just offer three points the first two are about why i think domestic public resources are important in this conversation on financing digital development and the third point is on why is it challenging to raise domestic public resources in this context so first it's very clear that foundational digital data and ai infrastructures need public financing private and blended financing cannot fully meet this gap research by the itu on financing for connectivity and the unsd's report on innovative financing mechanisms for ai ahead of the business plus 20 last year demonstrate that the private sector does not invest in high risk low return projects which is the case when it comes to financing digital infrastructure development for the most vulnerable and their human development needs Further, the so -called multiplier effect of public investment attracting private investment in blended financing models is not really played out. As Mariana Mazzucotto highlighted in her evidence in a multi -sector study for UNDESA, the study suggests that in practice, concessional public finance is leveraging non -concessional public finance to support private initiatives with limited participation from de -risked private capital. And second, we see, as the earlier speaker mentioned, that the public financing deficit is not getting addressed at the global level through official development assistance, which means that domestic public resources become important. But then, coming to my last point, developing countries find themselves in a bind, and this is becoming a near impossible task in the digital economy for two reasons. One challenge that has been discussed multiple times is the inability of the global south to effectively transform and tax virtualized business operations of multinational corporations, leading to huge loss of revenues, especially as global trade becomes more and more digital. And the second challenge is that as the domestic economy's dependence on foreign AI models and cloud AI services increases, there is a rising foreign exchange deficit. As scholar Srimas Raghavendra cautions, this risks reproducing the dual economy or two -speed structure. The economy forks into a hyper -productive AI -integrating foreign -owned enclave that sets the national cost base, while the domestic sector is forced to adjust by suppressing wages, operating on tin margins, and under -investing simply to remain viable in export markets. This is of concern given the already high levels of public debt. Twenty -five out of fifty -four countries are in the market. Countries are spending more on interest payments than on health and food security in a recent study on the subject. So finally, I don't think there are easy solutions on how we bridge the public finance gap for digital development. But it's clear that we cannot go back to the tired playbook of blended financing that has failed, and we need solutions which recognize that fiscal justice is digital justice. Thank you.
Anriette Esterhuysen
Thanks very much for that, Nandini. Mehdi, what is your perspective on financing with its implementation through public resources? Public resources, particularly domestic public resources, given the levels of debt that so many countries in the global south are dealing with. So if you can just build perhaps a bit on Nandini's analysis and perhaps disagree or support it. But what is your view on this, particularly working also in the office in ODET, where you're looking at global digital compact implementation as well?
Mehdi Snene
Thank you so much colleagues I'll be very short and then very concrete in the discussion I think we have seen the change happening on the ground from global diesel compact perspective at least in the last 2 -3 years even the poorest countries are still accelerating the scaling up of the adoption of diesel public infrastructure, we have seen the transformation being and becoming a core topic and core discussion in the global south and then when it comes to work beyond the diesel public infrastructure, digitalization AI, resources are always available here or there at the domestic level I think it's a very essential point to get back to the reality on the ground why are we doing that work and what is the outcome that is being expected from financing the deal transformation or the WSIS and then what is expected to be done on the ground and where is this funding going and how we can mutualize the efforts. One of the work that I was dealing in at the Secretariat is the Secretary General Innovative Financing and Voluntary Options for AI Capacity Building Development and through that we have reviewed multiple use cases on how to implement AI. And then I'm very specific on AI, from compute to data collection to capacity building in human capitals, energy and connectivity. At the end, this is the vision. That's what we would like to have on the ground. And when it comes to very sensitive subjects, in particular post -COVID crisis, I keep relating back to the COVID crisis which literally changed the vision to the deal transformation across the global south and for those and the seven member states with no digital infrastructure. because they face that issue, how to roll up the vaccination campaign, how to manage the social benefits if they want to build any program of social benefits without any digital transformation, and then if so, how in India, for example, these things have happened very quickly. So getting back to the reality of the digital transformation and then why we are sitting in the room discussing about these issues, countries started looking at it from a different and very serious point of view and putting that at priority. As a national priority, adding on the top of that the notion of national sovereignty today when it comes to the data and AI. So although we've identified that many member states do not have the capacity today to implement fully the large spectrum of digital transformation, we recognize that many of them, those who have been isolated and fully left behind, today are putting a lot of domestic efforts in terms of budgeting and in terms of implementing these elements because they have seen from multiple other experience how the return on investment and how this strong effort that they can deploy at the beginning could bring more job opening, better education, better health planification and on the ground. So I think we should not disconnect these realities from our discussion, meaning we are not fending anything else than these things. And these things should be essentially our vision and And the final outcome of the discussion, this is how to bring it there. And probably a bottom-up approach. I mean, we've done that to the AI voluntary options for financing options, a bottom-up approach. What is on the ground, what is happening, and then building on the top of that could literally get a better and faster impact on the ground.
Anriette Esterhuysen
And thanks for that, Mehdi. Rob, and again, if you want to, you can reflect on Mehdi's perspective, which is showing a sort of more positive scenario where countries are actually recognizing and somehow finding it possible to do this kind of domestic investment in the basic infrastructure. You've been working in development finance in Africa for a long time. And I think, I mean, you are also, you've had a cutting sort of frontline experience of the change in the financing landscape that David referred to at the beginning and Nandini as well. How does this change look to you? And how is it impacting on development finance? And in your experience, and what do you think can be done? to leverage more funding for development, including digital development, be it from domestic resources or other sources.
Rob Floyd
Thanks very much, and thanks for inviting the African Center for Economic Transformation. Yeah, I mean, as others have said, I mean, there is simply less development finance in the system today. I think one also needs to be cognizant that the cost of capital is higher than it has been in the past, particularly as emerging middle -income countries are going to the Euro bond market, and there are these high debt loads. Dini mentioned a fact that is well known about the amount of debt service paid in excess of health budgets, but I would put this in the context of digital as well, give you a few data points. In Nigeria, External debt service, so this is what the government of Nigeria is paying to its creditors, is 18 times the budget of the Ministry of Digital Economy. In Kenya, debt service is 45 times the ICT sector budget. In Uganda, it's 54 times the digital transformation budget. And in Tanzania, it's 64 times the budget of the ICT ministry. So, just by definition, there's not enough public finance to support development writ large or digital development. But that said, I am quite positive. Even in the face of many challenges, there's a lot that can be done and a lot that can be done by members in this room and online. So, first is to ensure... strong support for the ongoing global financial architecture reform so for example the work around debt nandini i think it was mentioned taxation the united nations convention on global taxation is underway assets been working with indesa and african member states at the un on that so i think having a collective push to make sure that some of these global changes take place that can make cost of capital lower and and increase the amount of finance domestic resources have already been mentioned certainly for africa uh it's not the case for other parts of the world where some parts of asia and latin america the domestic uh resources tax gp ratios are relatively high but in africa they're generally low and this is not a technical challenge this is a political challenge so once again um where we have influence on governments to increase domestic uh resource mobilization we should do so But there's a huge untapped bucket of resources, and that's institutional investors. So, for example, and again, my expertise is in Africa, insurance companies, pension funds, sovereign wealth funds are hugely underinvesting, mostly investing in U .S. treasuries when they could be investing in their own country's development. So I'll give you an example from here in Ghana. Pension funds invest 1 % of their balance sheets in alternative assets when the prudential rules would allow them to invest up to 25%. So that could very much be in digital development. Likewise, there are 11 African multilateral financial institutions. If they would coordinate better and be more. Innovative, there is a collective balance sheet of $70 billion that could be invested at least part in digital. And then I would say finally to, and it's related to domestic resource mobilization, but it's the flip side, is efficiency of use of resources. We know that across developing countries, efficiency of the budget is very low. There's huge gains to be made, and that can particularly be made in digital development. Just one last point to Cillian's proposal about a help desk. What we see is working with ministers of finance on a daily basis, they have a pretty good sense of what's available, what the avenues are, what the instruments are. But then when you go to ministries such as ministries of ICT or innovation or digital economy, not in all cases, but in many cases, those ministries are run by people from the tech industry, from the innovation ecosystem, and they simply don't have that wealth of experience of having worked in international development their entire professional career. So I think something that can be targeted specifically to them would be of huge value, particularly in Africa. Thank you.
Anriette Esterhuysen
Thanks, Rob. And I was about to say to you, it's time, but thanks very much. And also for responding to Celiane's point. Next, I want to jump to Carlos. Carlos, Rob spoke very much about the macro. In fact, we've all been speaking about the sort of the macro level financing, financing at national level. And you work in financing local connectivity, particularly community -based connectivity. And I know that you have to navigate this tension between the micro and the macro. And I know that you have to navigate this tension between the micro and the macro approaches on a daily basis. tell us about that, how do you see that playing out do you see sufficient attention being given to the, I don't want to call it the last mile but maybe the most data centars.
Carlos Rey-Moreno
Yeah, no, well, thank you, Henriette, and thank you for inviting me to this panel. And really, I mean, that gap between the macro financing that has been spoken about, about the budgets that are managed at the national level, about the discussions of the international and multilateral financing institutions that Rob was alluding to really has a mismatch with the realities of the communities, right? And the bottom -up approach that Mehdi was alluding to. At the macro level, the money is mostly flowing into large transactions. I think it's more efficient for governments as well to million check than, you know, 101 million check for the psych of it. Multilateral deals, national funds, financing big operators, fiber backhaul, tower companies, data centers, as you refer to. And these are important, and they do contribute to closing the digital divide. but they are not enough I mean the ITU and the digital infrastructure investment initiative has pointed out to the need of complementary approaches to this, the ITU has different resolutions about this that if we want meaningful connectivity for the communities that are still excluded and we are talking about more than 2 billion people today we need to finance a much wider ecosystem of models but the challenge for community centred connectivity initiatives is that they do not fit easily into the way most development finance is structured, right? For private financiers the deals are often too small too local and too complex relative to their transactional costs for public financiers there are promising openings and there are different governments approaching us in relation to technical assistance policy work and some early government engagement but the systems still tend to fall to the same large scale models even where those models have repeatedly failed to reach the last mile of the in many countries. So the tension is not really between micro and macro as if there were two competing worlds. The real issue is that we need a financing bridge between them. We need mechanisms that can translate macro -level capital into support for smaller community -led and locally -routed solutions. And this is where our work comes in. I mean, we've been at APC with the support from FCDO and SIDA. SIDA, we've been looking at how blended finance approaches at the micro level, not the type of blended finance approaches that Maria Mazzucato and Nandini commented on this, have been having issues. Channel through specialized intermediaries can really help closing the digital divide. And there is evidence of this in other sectors, right? So our key message in this case to the task force members in the room and further to the conversation is if we want to close the digital divide, we need to also... to close the financing divide behind it, right? so we would welcome partners who are interested to take this discussion forward and we will welcome the opportunity to contribute our insights to the task force or to anyone interested in this tension in between what the governments are doing
Anriette Esterhuysen
Thanks Carlos Lauren, jumping to you we've had the pleasure actually in APC of working quite closely with the ITU's digital infrastructure initiative but it has been focusing largely on backhaul on international connectivity and critical physical transmission networks does Carlos' comments resonate for you this need for the bridges between the local connectivity and the large capacity infrastructure but any other reflections that you have in your opinion in terms of financing based on the DII's work
Lauren Bieniek
yeah absolutely well let me start with the macro and share with everyone in the room the digital infrastructure investment initiative and then come down to the micro level and build upon a couple initiatives and points that others have already raised so at ITU we launched the digital infrastructure investment initiative in 2024 to really look at the scale of the digital infrastructure investment gap which was estimated at 1 .6 trillion and really did focus on that hard infrastructure from fiber backbone and data centers all the way to last mile fixed and wireless networks both CAPEX and OPEX and then the year following in 2025 we updated our connecting humanity report this issue was called the connecting humanity action blueprint to look at also the demand side factors so not just the hard infrastructure but also the estimated cost gaps of digital upskilling affordability including mobile devices and data costs as well as the policy and regulatory support needed and when you take all of that together it was estimated at 2 .6 to 2 .8 trillion being the financing needs to close the digital divide. And I think everyone can agree there's a lot of fundamental work that's been done to help inform the task force to date, other initiatives and papers referenced. And so I think this will help direct the North Star based on updated costing models, the latest technology. As mentioned, the Connecting Humanity Report was first done in 2020, and even the difference between 2020 and 2026, I don't think it's that more people are getting disconnected. It's just that the cost to close the divide is actually growing as the cost of technology is better understood, and we go further, more rural to connect all and increase our threshold, right, to a more meaningful connectivity with more data, more access, more regular access. Building upon this, again, at a macro level, we launched the Digital Infrastructure Investment Catalyzer as a next phase. This is now one year, but still feels as if it's in startup mode, and I think it's important to raise in this context of the task force. The Catalyzer was launched by ITU and the UN Trade and Development, UNCTAD, last year at the Financing for Development Forum in Sevilla, and it's part of the Sevilla Platform for Action, so another way to bring these different processes together and ensure coordination and efficiency. And this is a platform for coordination across the multilateral development banks, the DFIs, the private sector tech companies, civil society. Really, it's a large umbrella for all. If you're not part of our Catalyzer working group, we invite all of you to join it, and we come together to share tools and templates, data, capacity building resources, and try to advance actual transactions and mobilize capital for closing the digital infrastructure investment gap. And this is a platform I think can be leveraged by the task force, and we would welcome the help desk idea. Because a big challenge for us is visibility into country pipelines. and knowing the entry point to help further develop and scope those projects and then bring to the platform we've created of MDBs and DFIs. So that's at the macro level. Coming down to the micro and pulling upon a couple of these points, I think that, as Carlos mentioned, we did note the need in this foundational work for small -ticket financing opportunities for Internet service providers and getting at many of the challenges that Carlos mentioned. And I think that I am a bit more optimistic about blended finance. If we can put the government and domestic public resources as the concessional layer and not necessarily translate development finance for blended finance, but creatively leverage universal service funds and other public resources to bring, at a national level, attention and leverage. We can leverage private or DFI based on national priorities for small -ticket or other financing vehicles. And then I would just echo as one of my final comments that it's also about raising additional funds and or foregoing certain revenues to the government. So I think innovative ways to raise financing from spectrum auctions, taxation, which was noted, maybe foregoing taxes and tax breaks, as well as the purchasing power that the governments can bring to the table. So I think significant resources just in terms of anchoring demand for networks should also be part of the equation. But the last thing I will say is that at the end of the day, if we're specifically talking about domestic public resources, it's still going to be about prioritizing and protecting those resources for digital development in markets where there's a lot of competing demands for those resources. So I think continuing to advocate and. make it more clear if we have a model for better estimating the return on investment so that governments can continue to invest in digital development, so better sharing of data and calculation of that ROI.
Anriette Esterhuysen
Thanks a lot, Lauren, and I'm sorry we have so little time. And Denise, I mean, there's more than one of you on the task force in the room, but I'm giving you the most challenging question, which is that this UNGERS interagency task force on financing has very little time to produce its report. And what do you think? How can it learn from past experience? How can it be useful and make an impact? And I think I want to add just something to that, particularly as there does seem to be a bit of a, I mean, there's, I think, a divide to the one, on the one hand, how do you work better with what is available? More efficiently, more collaboratively? Or on the other hand, how do you actually confront that there are structural gaps? and that there is reform needed at a global level in terms of taxation and maybe also in terms of practices at a national level that will mobilize more resources, new resources that are not currently available. Do you think the task force can do both? What do you think it can do and what can it do well?
Deniz Susar
Thank you, Aniette. I don't know what task force can do, but I want to thank you for organizing this meeting. I think this is very good input to the work of task force. For us, the starting point is paragraph 67 of the Vices Plus to Win Outcome document. The mandate is quite specific. It asks ITU as the Secretariat of Angus. Also, this language, Secretariat of Angus, is new, which made ITU and which gave ITU a mandate. I think we rely on ITU to coordinate this task force. At least the good news is the task force is in place. It is set up. I believe we are yet to have our first meeting, but we are eager to work. So the task is to assess gaps and challenges, as David mentioned, and make concrete recommendations. And my colleague from ITU already described the gaps, that global gap $2 .6 to $2 .8 trillion. As task force members, we also followed yesterday's high -level dialogue on this. I think that also gives us input. But when we get together as a task force, I would just give three inputs. First, evidence, as we've seen in this room. We need to understand where the financing gaps really are. They are not the same in every country. I mean, in some cases, it's connectivity. Sometimes it's digital skills. so I think we should do our best to disaggregate the data if we can I don't know I am again disclaimer I am not an expert on this but since it's WSIS and ITU just comes everything to me so I'm trying to learn and also contribute second and I think it was said already here we should read on what already exists and in that regard I would like to thank the CIVIS initiative I think it is good to identify what works where gaps remain and how we can help countries to navigate and the idea proposed by CIVIS colleagues I think deserves serious consideration and I think I would also bring this to the table and as David mentioned we were the secretariat for the WSIS plus 20 world view this is a big ask from developing countries from G77 So we need to come up with something practical for developing countries that they can have a look and we can present some examples, but I think they want to see something concrete. So in short, assess the real gaps, avoid duplication, learn from existing and produce recommendations that are really concrete because this was a big ask. This one, and as you know, government dialogue under the IGF, these were one of the things that were discussed to the late night. So I think member states have big expectations from us.
Anriette Esterhuysen
And thanks very much, Denise. And my apologies to the participants. We couldn't make this interactive. We just wanted to take advantage of having the task force members here to bring them together. I think my only closing comments, and I have one minute, is I think to leave the task force along with Denise's suggestions, with David's questions. I think the questions he started us off with I think are relevant to the task force as well. The first one, what is the actual goal? Is it sustainable development, enabled and supported by technology, or is it digital development? And I think there's been a real shift. And when we started with this, it was about people -centered development, enabled by technology. It was not about the development of technology per se or any particular manifestation or phase of technology. So that's important, I think, to consider. Secondly, David, David's question was, where do we start at a national level? And if we're looking at support for countries or partnerships, do we start with developmental challenges as they are defined and understood and experienced in those countries? Or do we start with the potential of digitalization? And I must say, with all due respect, all the discussions I've heard this week on AI actually started with the AI, not with technology. It's with the needs that the AI might or might not address. and I think thirdly he asks who should lead this discussion development actors or the digital community I think obviously it's going to have to be both but I think putting development actors at the front of the conversation is important and I think for the task force working with people such as Rob for example and others who work in development finance and to understand this context from the perspective of financing of development more holistically is important because the picture could look very differently if your entry point is just digital and then fourthly David's point and I think some of you also raised it and I have heard this point raised a lot this week is what are the implications for diversity and sovereignty at the developing country level in the global south how do we ensure that these relationships these partnerships these investments and are driven and shaped by the stakeholders within those countries rather than by external interested parties. So thanks very much, everyone. We commit to documenting this discussion. I think the task force, I suspect, will also be open to input from the community at one point or another. So please follow the UNGIS website, look at the work that the task force will be doing, and participate. And thanks very much to the speakers and to Rob and David and Carlos who joined us remotely. And this is just the beginning of not the conversation that's been going

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