WSIS Forum 2026
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Rwanda

7 speakers
Summary

This forum workshop, hosted by the Government of Rwanda and titled "From AI Strategy to AI Delivery: Building National AI Institutions for Public Impact," brought together government ministers, institutional leaders, and development experts to discuss how countries can move beyond AI strategies to build institutions capable of delivering measurable public benefits .

Rwanda's Minister of ICT and Innovation, H.E. Paula Ingabire, opened the session by emphasising that strategies alone cannot transform societies - institutions do . She outlined Rwanda's deliberate journey, including its national AI policy, data governance frameworks, and digital public infrastructure, as foundations for the newly established Rwanda National AI Agency . The agency is designed to accelerate AI deployment, expand talent, strengthen compute and data infrastructure, and attract investment, all while operating responsibly and complementing existing institutions . The Minister also stressed the importance of building a global network of similar bodies to share best practices and ensure developing countries are co-creators, not merely consumers, of AI solutions .

Crystal Rugege of the Rwanda Centre for the Fourth Industrial Revolution identified the key barriers to scaling AI as cross-cutting challenges including governance agility, compute capacity, skills development, and funding . She cited Rwanda's experience with Zipline's drone delivery technology as an example of the value of regulatory flexibility in the absence of formal frameworks .

Egypt's Dr. Hoda Baraka shared institutional lessons from Egypt's AI journey, noting that a strategy requires a clear operating model covering coordination, regulation, capacity building, and accountability . She highlighted Egypt's choice to adopt a governance framework rather than hard legislation, in order to balance innovation with societal protection , and underscored the importance of capacity building for public servants and procurement guidelines for ministries .

UNDP's Megan Roberts noted that AI adoption is already entering government systems through procurement and digital public infrastructure before governance frameworks are in place, making early path-dependent decisions critically important . John Kamara of the AI Centre of Excellence added a private-sector perspective, warning of a significant disconnect between high-level policy conversations and enterprises in Africa . Together, the panellists converged on the conclusion that translating AI ambition into impact requires capable, agile institutions, cross-sector partnerships, and sustained investment in talent and infrastructure .

Keypoints
  • Overall Purpose

  • The discussion was convened as a WSIS Forum workshop hosted by the Government of Rwanda, titled From AI Strategy to AI Delivery: Building National AI Institutions for Public Impact. Its central goal was to explore how countries - particularly developing nations - can move beyond publishing AI strategies and begin building the institutional infrastructure needed to translate those strategies into measurable, inclusive, and responsible public outcomes. The launch of Rwanda's new National AI Agency served as a focal point and practical case study for the broader conversation.
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  • Major Discussion Points

  • The gap between AI strategy and real-world implementation is the defining challenge of this moment. Multiple speakers emphasised that publishing a national AI strategy is insufficient on its own; what matters is building institutions with clear mandates, talent, and coordination mechanisms to deliver results. Minister Ingabire stated plainly that "strategies alone cannot transform societies - institutions do." Egypt's experience reinforced this, with Dr. Baraka noting that "an AI strategy does not implement itself" and requires answers to questions about who coordinates, regulates, builds capacity, pilots use cases, measures progress, and is accountable when risks emerge. UNDP's Megan Roberts echoed this, observing that the harder task of building mandates and coordination frameworks to deliver priorities responsibly is "really lagging" behind political attention. - Rwanda's establishment of its National AI Agency represents a deliberate, institution-building response to the gap between strategy and delivery. The agency is designed not merely as a policy body but as a national engine for execution - accelerating AI deployment across priority sectors, expanding talent, strengthening compute and data infrastructure, attracting investment, and ensuring responsible deployment. Minister Ingabire stressed that it is intended to complement rather than replace existing institutions, and that it should function as a platform for local, regional, and international collaboration. Crystal Rugege added that the agency helps align government around a "whole of government approach" to AI. - Scaling AI requires overcoming cross-cutting barriers: compute infrastructure, skills, funding, and governance agility. Crystal Rugege identified these as the primary obstacles encountered through Rwanda's AI Scaling Hub work in health, agriculture, and education. She noted that compute is a disproportionately complex problem for countries without domestic capacity , that skills investment is a "long game" essential to avoiding a cycle of mere adoption rather than creation , and that funding gaps can be addressed through the right partnerships. John Kamara added a private-sector dimension, arguing that enterprise Africa - which holds significant capital and already procures AI from global vendors - is largely absent from these policy conversations, representing a critical disconnect that national AI institutions must bridge. - Responsible and ethical AI must be operationalised, not merely aspirational. Minister Ingabire challenged participants to consider how responsible AI becomes "an operational reality" rather than a stated principle, and how it is woven into the design of solutions from the outset. Dr. Baraka described Egypt's practical steps in this direction, including the development of an AI audit lab (described as a sandbox for testing and validating AI systems against ethical principles) and procurement guidelines to help public servants write RFPs that embed responsible AI requirements. Megan Roberts reinforced that trust and safety are part of AI readiness, not an add-on, particularly in high-stakes sectors such as health care and education where errors affect people directly. - International collaboration, data sovereignty, and inclusion are essential to ensuring developing countries are co-creators, not merely consumers, of AI. Minister Ingabire argued that smaller countries without large models or deep pockets can still generate real value, but must have the right institutions, talent, and global partnerships to scale innovations beyond proofs of concept. Dr. Baraka highlighted the importance of balancing sovereignty with international partnership, ensuring that imported technologies reflect local languages, cultural norms, and values - a concern shared across African nations. Megan Roberts noted that data quality, interoperability, and governance are often where inclusion is decided, determining which populations are visible and which languages are represented. Minister Ingabire called explicitly for developing countries to be part of designing and co-creating AI solutions that reflect their own priorities and contexts. ---
  • Overall Tone

  • The overall tone of the discussion was constructive, forward-looking, and collaborative, with a consistent undercurrent of urgency. Speakers shared a collective conviction that the moment for action has arrived and that the transition from strategy to delivery is both necessary and achievable.
  • The tone shifted subtly across the session. The opening remarks by Minister Ingabire were formal and aspirational, setting a visionary but grounded register. The moderator Robert Kainamura introduced a brief moment of provocation and dry humour at the outset - reading Claude AI's sceptical assessment of the conference - which injected levity and a challenge to the room to prove AI wrong by producing meaningful outcomes. This lightened the atmosphere and signalled an intent to move beyond "plenary theatre."
  • As the panellists spoke, the tone became more pragmatic and candid. Crystal Rugege and Dr. Hoda Baraka drew on concrete institutional experiences, lending the discussion a grounded, problem-solving quality. Megan Roberts brought a data-informed, measured perspective , while John Kamara introduced a notably blunter, private-sector voice, pointing out the disconnect between policy conversations and the enterprise community that actually holds capital and drives AI adoption. His contribution added a degree of productive tension to what had otherwise been a largely consensus-driven exchange. The session concluded abruptly due to time constraints, leaving the impression of a conversation with considerably more ground left to cover.
Speakers Overview
HM
H.E. Ms. Paula Ingabire
153 wpm · 10 min
HB
Hoda Baraka
144 wpm · 11 min
CR
Crystal Rugege
169 wpm · 5 min
MR
Megan Roberts
144 wpm · 6 min
JK
John Kamara
153 wpm · 4 min
RK
Robert Kainamura (Moderator)
130 wpm · 8 min
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Janet (Moderator/Host)
103 wpm · 5 min

Expanded Summary: From AI Strategy to AI Delivery - Building National AI Institutions for Public Impact

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Context and Purpose of the Forum

This workshop was convened as a forum session hosted by the Government of Rwanda, titled From AI Strategy to AI Delivery: Building National AI Institutions for Public Impact . The host moderator Janet referred to the event as the "YCIF forum workshop", while Rwanda's Minister of ICT and Innovation referred to it as a "WSIS" forum session - both usages appear in the transcript and reflect the same event . The forum carried particular significance as the first major gathering following the WSIS Plus 20 (or YCIS Plus 20) UN General Assembly Review, a moment described by the host moderator Janet as one in which "countries move from commitments to implementation" . The central premise framing the entire discussion was that, while many nations have developed national AI strategies, the harder and more consequential challenge lies in building the institutional infrastructure capable of translating those strategies into real, measurable public outcomes . Rwanda's newly established National AI Agency served as both a focal point and a practical case study for this broader global conversation.

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Opening Remarks: Rwanda's Minister of ICT and Innovation

Rwanda's Minister of ICT and Innovation, H.E. Paula Ingabire, opened the session by situating the discussion within the broader global moment, describing it as a juncture at which "the global conversation must evolve from a digital ambition to digital delivery" . She acknowledged that countries around the world are publishing national AI strategies, adopting governance frameworks, and investing in digital capabilities, but argued that these are necessary rather than sufficient steps . Her central argument was stated plainly: "strategies alone cannot transform societies - institutions do" . To make this concrete, she observed that "a strategy will not diagnose a patient or support a farmer", and that the outcomes citizens need require "capable institutions with a mandate, with the right talent, and with the right partnerships to turn the vision and the strategy into reality" .

The Minister outlined Rwanda's deliberate, phased approach to building its AI ecosystem, describing foundations laid over several years including a national AI policy, data governance frameworks, digital public infrastructure, investments in digital skills, and the work of the Rwanda Centre for the Fourth Industrial Revolution in scaling AI solutions across agriculture, healthcare, and education . She framed the establishment of the Rwanda National AI Agency as a natural progression from this groundwork - "a deliberate investment in building national capability" rather than simply the creation of another institution . The agency is designed to serve as "a national engine for delivery", accelerating AI deployment across priority sectors, expanding talent, strengthening compute and data infrastructure, attracting investment, and ensuring responsible deployment, all while complementing rather than replacing existing institutions .

Beyond Rwanda's domestic context, the Minister articulated a vision for the agency as a node within a global network of similar bodies, arguing that "there is value in us being able to share best practices" and "coming together to solve for problems that are shared across the different countries" . She challenged the assumption that AI's benefits are reserved for wealthy nations, arguing that "smaller countries that don't have the bigger models or quite deep pockets can still generate real value and real impact" provided they have the right institutions, talent, coordination, and partnerships . She also raised two questions that she invited the panel to address: how institutions can be built to keep pace with the unprecedented speed of AI's technological advances , and how AI can be ensured to strengthen rather than replace human capability . On responsible AI, she challenged participants to move beyond rhetoric, asking how it can become "an operational reality" rather than "merely an aspiration", and how it can be "woven into the design of how we build many of these solutions" . She closed by calling explicitly for developing countries to be co-creators rather than consumers of AI, ensuring solutions "reflect our very own priorities, our very own context, and also reflect our very own languages" .

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Moderator's Provocation: Challenging the Value of International Forums

Before introducing the panellists, moderator Robert Kainamura introduced a deliberately provocative framing device. He read aloud a response generated by Claude AI, which characterised international AI conferences as producing "no binding rules, realistic outputs, or agreed principles" and suggested participants "skip the plenary theater" . He described this as "what AI thinks of this conference" and used it as "a call to action for us as human beings versus this AI - to challenge this AI and for us to come out with meaningful and binding agreements and for this not to be, in its words, a plenary theater" . The comment generated immediate reactions - Janet noted "that's not a good start" , and Crystal Rugege quipped "so meeting is done" - but the framing was accepted by the room as a legitimate challenge. This meta-level provocation set a tone of self-critical honesty that ran through the rest of the discussion, with panellists implicitly aware of the need to produce substantive rather than merely aspirational contributions.

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Crystal Rugege: Barriers to Scaling AI in Rwanda

Crystal Rugege, Managing Director of the Rwanda Centre for the Fourth Industrial Revolution, described Rwanda's AI journey as a deliberate and sequential process of laying governance foundations before moving to implementation . She noted that the foundational work of C4IR had included establishing key governance instruments such as the data protection and privacy law and the national AI policy , and that Rwanda had now reached a moment of readiness to apply AI across the public and private sectors for public good .

Drawing on the experience of the Rwanda AI Scaling Hub - which focuses on health, agriculture, and education and is supported by the Gates Foundation - Rugege identified the barriers to scaling AI as largely cross-cutting rather than sector-specific . She identified four primary obstacles. First, compute access, which she described as "a disproportionately complex problem for countries like ours that don't have that domestic capacity", with ongoing debate about whether to build in-country infrastructure or rely on cloud-based solutions . Second, skills development at every layer of the ecosystem, arguing that without sustained investment "we're definitely going to be stuck in this cycle of just being users and adopters of the AI" rather than empowering a generation capable of creating contextually appropriate solutions . Third, funding, which she identified as "the biggest one" but argued could be addressed through the right partnerships and a whole-of-government approach . Fourth, governance agility, noting that Rwanda is "fortunate to have a government that has the right agile mindset, knowing that it's nearly impossible for government to keep pace with innovation" . She illustrated this with the Zipline drone delivery example, in which Rwanda allowed the company to pilot its technology without a formal regulation in place, demonstrating the value of being "willing to test some things where there is absence of a governance framework" . She expressed particular enthusiasm about the AI agency's potential to align government around a "whole of government approach" to attracting the right partnerships and funding to scale .

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Dr. Hoda Baraka: Institutional Lessons from Egypt's AI Journey

Dr. Hoda Baraka, Advisor and Acting Director of the Egyptian Centre for Responsible AI, shared lessons drawn from Egypt's experience of developing and implementing two successive national AI strategies. Her central lesson was that "an AI strategy does not implement itself" and requires "a clear operating model" that answers six critical questions: who will coordinate, who will regulate, who will build capacity, who will pilot use cases, who will measure progress, and who is accountable when risks emerge . She described Egypt's journey from its first national AI strategy in 2020, when "AI was still not very clear what are the impact, what are the risks" , to its second strategy launched in January 2025 and the establishment of the Egyptian Centre for Responsible AI in 2026 . It should be noted that the year "2026" for the centre's establishment was stated by Dr. Baraka herself in the transcript and is preserved here as spoken, though it may reflect a slip of the tongue given the broader chronology she described.

On institutional design, Dr. Baraka described Egypt's deliberately distributed model, in which a central National Council for AI handles governance and policy, while implementation is spread across multiple specialised bodies: the Information Technology Development Agency for capacity building and the startup ecosystem, the Personal Data Protection Commission for data governance, the Egyptian CERT for safety and security, and the Ministry of Investment for investment instruments . She articulated the principle underlying this architecture: "when we talk about the policies, about the governance, this is centralised, but when we talk about the implementation of the strategy itself, then we need to go to the grassroots, we need to go to all the ministries, we need to go to different agencies" .

A particularly important lesson from Egypt's experience concerned the choice of governance instrument. Dr. Baraka explained that Egypt made a deliberate decision not to enact hard law, preferring instead a governance framework and guidelines, in order to "make this kind of balance between, from one side, promoting innovation and creativity and supporting SMEs, and from the other side, having a framework that will help us to protect our society" . She described this as treating "governance as an enabler and not as a brake" . Egypt's governance framework was developed in alignment with international frameworks including those from NIST, the OECD, and UNESCO, before being localised .

On the gap between aspiration and implementation, Dr. Baraka was candid about Egypt's experience of having a well-written ethical charter that was "very aligned with all the international norms, but nothing on ground" . To bridge this gap, Egypt established an AI audit lab - described as a sandbox to ensure that principles such as fairness, accountability, explainability, and transparency "comes into reality" . She also highlighted the importance of capacity building for public servants, noting that "when you go to the public servants and talk to them about the great ethical charter, they don't really know what does it mean" , and that Egypt had developed procurement guidelines to help ministries write effective RFPs for AI systems and understand how to evaluate and receive AI systems from vendors . Finally, she emphasised the importance of balancing sovereignty with international partnership, ensuring that imported technologies "reflect our norms, our values, our traditions, and our language" - a concern she extended to African countries broadly . For Rwanda specifically, she recommended designing the AI agency not merely as a policy body but as an implementation-focused institution dedicated to use cases, capacity building, and defining national priorities .

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Megan Roberts: UNDP's Global Perspective on AI Readiness

Megan Roberts, Positioning and Engagement Manager in UNDP's Digital AI and Innovation Hub, brought a data-informed, multilateral perspective to the discussion. She noted that UNDP is present in 170 countries and providing digital and AI programming in 130 of them , and that over the previous three years it had completed 26 AI landscape assessments across 26 countries, with 10 more underway . Drawing on these assessments, she identified five cross-cutting patterns that determine whether AI innovation can deliver impact and scale .

First, she observed that political attention on AI "is not in short supply" globally, but that "the harder task of building the mandates, the systems, the coordination frameworks to deliver these priorities responsibly is really lagging" . She echoed Dr. Baraka's framework, noting that implementation requires answering questions about who leads AI deployment across government ministries, how priorities are financed, how systems are procured, which institutions supervise deployment, and where accountability sits when systems fail . Second, she introduced what she described as one of the most significant and underappreciated risks: that "AI adoption is really entering already through existing systems - your procurement systems, your sector programmes, DPI initiatives - it's not waiting for us to get our national strategy and our governance frameworks and all of our ducks in a row" . She warned that "very important consequential path-dependent decisions are being made before they're visible as policy choices", appearing to be routine technical procurement decisions but actually shaping the entire national AI strategy .

Third, Roberts identified data as "often a decisive factor", noting that "the quality, the interoperability, the access, the governance of the data really determine whether a promising pilot can become reliable at scale", and that data is also "where inclusion is decided - which populations are visible, which languages are represented" . Fourth, she argued that "trust and safety are a part of AI readiness - they're not an add-on once you have AI", and that the capacity to monitor performance, detect harms, and correct systems is especially critical in health care and education, where "errors affect people directly and almost instantly" . Fifth, she stressed that "institutional ownership is very important", with "clear mandates, financing, delivery routines" needed for innovations to scale and deliver . She concluded that "AI adoption will not automatically advance human development on its own" and that even excellent AI innovations "can fail if you're not matching the investments and the innovations themselves with investments in the ecosystem into which you're deploying the systems" .

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John Kamara: The Private Sector Perspective and the Enterprise Africa Gap

John Kamara, Chief Executive Officer of Coltex Africa and the AI Centre of Excellence, brought the most contrarian and private-sector-focused perspective to the discussion. Speaking from his experience running an AI Centre of Excellence in Nairobi since 2019 and attending "over 132 sessions in the past four years" , he argued that the most important and consistently overlooked dimension of AI scaling in Africa is the private sector - specifically large enterprise corporations. He stated bluntly that "the people with the money is the private sector in Africa" and that "enterprise Africa is never shown anywhere in any conversation" .

Kamara described a structural disconnect in the AI ecosystem: "87% of enterprise Africa buy all their AI from vendors globally" and are not engaged with policy discussions because "they have to run the business" . He noted that "the top 150 CEOs in Africa, if you ask them about AI policy, it's not very, very bottom line - do we make money, does AI work for us?" , and characterised this as "a massive disconnect between the whole strategy conversations that we consistently have, the policy great, and the real buyers" . He called on the Rwanda AI Agency to "find a way to get these guys into the room" .

On talent, Kamara extended the discussion beyond the familiar focus on data scientists to argue that the AI industry requires "the scientists, the mathematicians, the physicists, the philosophers, and the ethics" . He highlighted an emerging demand from private sector companies for AI ethics officers - a role for which no clear university pathway currently exists . He also described the AI industry as a full value chain "from power generation all the way to application" , and argued that sovereign wealth funds - with which he works across 11 on the continent - need to understand this industry structure before they can invest meaningfully . He noted that his organisation had begun work on a distributed compute network project seeking to raise $150 million to bring AI infrastructure closer to smaller companies that do not require hyperscaler solutions .

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Areas of Consensus and Divergence

Note: The following section represents an analytical synthesis of the discussion rather than a direct representation of explicit statements made by any individual speaker.

Across the panel, a high degree of consensus emerged on the core thesis: that strategies alone are insufficient and that capable institutions with clear mandates, talent, and coordination mechanisms are the essential missing link between AI ambition and public impact . All speakers agreed on the cross-cutting nature of the barriers to scaling AI - compute, skills, funding, and data governance - and on the importance of treating governance as an enabler rather than a brake . There was also strong convergence on the need to operationalise responsible AI rather than leaving it as an aspiration , and on the value of international collaboration and knowledge sharing, particularly for smaller nations .

However, meaningful divergences emerged beneath this surface consensus. Egypt's distributed multi-institution model contrasts with Rwanda's single dedicated agency approach , reflecting genuinely different institutional philosophies. Rugege's framing of pre-regulatory AI adoption as an opportunity for agility sits in tension with Roberts's framing of the same phenomenon as a structural governance risk . Most significantly, Kamara's private sector critique exposed a blind spot shared by all other panellists: the near-total absence of large enterprise corporations from AI governance conversations, despite their being the primary buyers and deployers of AI on the continent . This tension between government-led institutional development and market-driven AI adoption was identified but not resolved within the session.

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Unresolved Questions and Closing Observations

The session concluded abruptly due to time constraints , leaving a number of important questions unresolved. These included how institutions can be built to keep pace with AI's rapid technological advances ; how AI can be designed to strengthen rather than replace human capability ; how developing countries can move from consumers to co-creators of AI solutions ; how the gap between policy forums and enterprise Africa can be bridged ; and how responsible AI can be made an operational reality rather than a theoretical aspiration . The moderator's opening provocation - using Claude AI's sceptical assessment of international conferences as a challenge to the room - remained implicitly present throughout, with the Minister's call to "move beyond the boardroom conversations to delivering impact on the ground and for our people" serving as both an aspiration and an accountability benchmark for the outcomes of the forum itself.

Janet (Moderator/Host)
Thank you. Thank you. Good morning once again and welcome, distinguished delegates, ladies and gentlemen. I think I need to bend a little bit because the mic is a little bit low, but I hope you can all hear me. Welcome to this YCIF forum workshop hosted by the government of Rwanda. titled From AI Strategy to AI Delivery, Building National AI Institutions for Public Impact. As the first YCIS forum following the YCIS Plus 20 UN General Assembly Review, this discussion comes at an important moment as countries move from commitments to implementation. While many nations have developed AI strategies, the next challenge is building the institutions that can translate strategies into real, measurable public impacts. Rwanda is taking this step through the establishment of the Rwanda Artificial Intelligence Agency, building on its 2020 Three National AI Policy and Ongoing Initiative, such as the Rwanda AI Scaling Hub. The agency is designed to... Accelerate AI adoption, strengthen innovation... develop talent, attract investment, and ensure the responsible deployment of AI across sectors. Today's panel, ladies and gentlemen, brings together distinguished experts and leaders to share experiences and insights on how countries can build effective national AI institutions that drive inclusive growth and deliver tangible benefits for citizens. But before I invite our distinguished panelists, I would like to invite Her Excellency Miss Paula Ngavire, the Minister of ICT and Innovation, Randa, to deliver her opening remarks for this session. Honorable Minister, you have the floor.
H.E. Ms. Paula Ingabire
I'm wondering whether I stay here or come on bed. There you go. Excellencies, distinguished partners, leaders from the different United Nations agencies, ITU, specifically our host today, esteemed colleagues, ladies and gentlemen, good morning. Let me start by thanking all of you for honoring our invitation this morning. I think we are competing with many events and side events this week, and so we're truly honored and grateful that you've made the time to join us here and to thank the ITU for allowing to host us and being a gracious host this morning. And most importantly, as we engage or connect around the World Summit on Information Society, this is a very significant forum, and it's the first gathering following the WSIS program, the PLUS20 review, a moment where the global conversation must evolve from a digital ambition to digital delivery. A few technologies embody the challenge more profoundly than AI, and I believe this week that resonates very deeply as we think about governance aspects in terms of AI. But across the world, what we're seeing is that countries are publishing and establishing different AI national agencies. They're adopting governance frameworks that work for them depending on how they're adopting the technology, but they're also focused on investing and digital capabilities, and all of these are important milestones. But what we all can agree with in this room is that strategies alone cannot transform societies. Institutions do, and that's the heart of the conversation this morning. A strategy will not diagnose a patient or support a farmer through clientelism. A strategy will not diagnose a patient or support a farmer through clientelism. And so those... Outcomes that we're looking for require capable institutions with a mandate, with the right talent, and with the right partnerships to turn the vision and the strategy into reality. And this is why Rwanda chose to establish the Rwanda National AI Agency. And for us, it's simply not creating another institution. It's a deliberate investment in building national capability. Over the past several years, we've laid strong foundations through our national AI policy, the data governance frameworks, the digital public infrastructure that we've invested in, investments in skills, in particular digital skills, and also pioneering through the work that we have with the Rwanda Center for the Fourth Industrial Revolution that is leading with the scaling of different AI solutions in agriculture, healthcare, and education. And so for us, this was a natural success. It was a good step to think about building, you know, an institution that will be dedicated to execution, dedicated to delivering the impact and the promises of AI, as we all rightly know about them. And so this agency will serve as a national engine for delivery, accelerating deployment across priority sectors, expanding AI talent, strengthening compute and data infrastructure and making data readily available for the ecosystem, but also attracting investment and thinking about commercialization of the different applications. But all of this will have to be done responsibly, safely, and for the benefit of our citizens. Importantly, the agency comes in to complement rather than replace existing institutions. And one thing that I want to highlight is that in as much as Rwanda has created this agency, when I look across the room, the idea is that the agency can be part of a network of similar bodies across the world. Across different countries. This value in... us being able to share best practices. There's value in us coming together to solve for problems that are shared across the different countries. There's value in us being able to connect policy to implementation, research, deployment, and innovation, but doing it in a way that we're sharing these best practices across the board. And so I believe, like many of you in this room, that that conviction, as simple as it is, is something that we all share. And so I just came from a session and obviously we've been looking at frontier models, how AI is benefiting different countries. The reality is it will not only benefit the countries with the largest models and the biggest budgets. I think there's value in even smaller countries that don't have the bigger models or quite deep pockets that they can still generate real value and real impact in how they're doing. And so I think that's something that we all share. We apply AI to solve for many of society's problems. And so, but to do that, we require that these countries have the right institutions, have the right people, the right talent, the right coordination across the board, the right partnerships globally and regionally, and really making sure that we can scale innovations from simply proofs of concept to something that is truly impacting the rest of the world. And so these are the kind of conversations that I hope we can advance here today and throughout this week. How do we build institutions that are going to keep pace with the technological change that we're seeing? For many of you that followed yesterday's dialogue opening, I mean, we're seeing how the unprecedented speed at which the technical advances AI has seen over the last years, that very much outpaces what regulation can truly do or governance can do. And so I think that also puts a question on the institutions we are building, how agile enough are these institutions? How agile are these institutions going to be to keep pace with the technical advances that we're seeing? seeing taking place? And how do we ensure that AI strengthens human capability rather than replacing it? I think that's the biggest concern that everyone has with the autonomous capabilities that AI has. What does this mean for humanity? I'm seeing my friends from Egypt who were just last week, again, with a convening of the UNSG were looking at, you know, what AI means for humanity and civilization and how we're being intentional to ensure that as we deploy and build these AI tools, we're doing it in such a way that they come in to complement, to support humanity and not necessarily to replace human beings. And so really these are the conversations that I hope that we can tackle as we in the next 45 minutes that we'll be together this morning. I'd also like to leave you with also another food for thought is how we make AI responsible AI happen. not just merely as an aspiration, but as an operational reality. And that's really where the trick is. It's one thing to say ethical, responsible AI deployment, but how much of that is woven into the design of how we build many of these solutions. Most importantly is how do we make sure that developing countries and consumers from developing countries don't just remain consumers, that we can be part of designing and co -creating solutions that reflect our very own priorities, our very own context, and also reflect our very own languages. And so no country can answer this alone. This is why we have many of these convenings. As governments, we need innovators to support with those ambitions. Researchers need the industry so that you can apply what is coming out of the labs. And also industry needs an enabling platform. Policy and governance environment, and that's why we're here to have these conversations. But ultimately... All of this is going to happen if we can have trusted partnerships across the board and partnerships that can deliver meaningful and win -win results for all of us. And so we're hoping that as we launch the Rwanda National AI Agency, that it's designed as a platform for collaboration locally, regionally, and internationally, that it's bringing together different partners and stakeholders to accelerate AI in a way that delivers real public value. And so really as we think about AI shaping the next economic era and human development, the question is no longer whether AI is going to transform. We're already seeing the transformation that is happening. It's really whether we can build institutions that are capable of guiding that transformation with purpose, responsibility, and inclusion. And I want to believe that as we set up this agency, we're making that call. We're not only investing in technology, but institutions that... We'll make sure that technology serves our people. And as we begin this chapter, I invite all of you to join us in really building an AI future that is open, transparent, trusted, inclusive, and truly global in nature. And together, I hope we can move beyond the strategies to creating impact to building an institution or institutions, a network of institutions that will deliver AI for public impact. So on that note, I wish you public productive discussions, and I'm hoping that this is just the beginning of what can be truly impactful partnerships, and we can move beyond the boardroom conversations to delivering impact on the ground and for our people. I thank you very much.
Janet (Moderator/Host)
Thank you. Thank you, Honorable Minister. Thank you for the opening remarks and putting us into the mode to this very important discussion. I would distinguish delegates, as you heard, from what the Minister just said. When I look at the – I think about one court, Martin Luther, saying that if you can't run, then walk. I don't know, I can't figure out all the words the way they were, but whatever you do, keep moving. For us, it's to keep moving, and of course, she mentioned about engagement, stakeholder engagement. Thank you, Minister. So now allow me to introduce our panelists, distinguished panelists. I'll start with Dr. Hoda Baraka. Dr. Hoda Baraka is the Advisor and Acting Director, Egyptian Center for Responsible AI in Egypt. Welcome, Dr. Baraka. Baraka. Thank you. I'll invite Ms. Megan Roberts. She's a positioning and engagement manager in the Digital AI and Innovation Hub of the UNDP. Allow me to call Ms. Crystal Rujiji, Managing Director, Center for the Fourth Industrial Revolution in Rwanda. Crystal, I already called you. Please. I now invite Mr. John Kamara, the Chief Executive Officer, Coltex Africa and the AI Centre of Excellence. And last but not least, our moderator, Mr. Robert Kainamura, Chief Executive Officer of Kitchi Holding Limited in Rwanda. And of course, you see I just mentioned the ladies first and then gentlemen after. Please, you're welcome.
Robert Kainamura (Moderator)
Thank you. Yes. Thank you. Can everybody hear me? Is the microphone working? Okay. Okay. Thank you, Janet, and Honorable Minister, for your comments. And thank you all for participating here, and I hope we can get a lot out of it. One thing that has been clear from this engagement is the challenge that we have. And I'm going to start off a little bit off the books, which it may not be in the right setting, but I'll let the audience decide, kind of like a warm -up. So, I am going to read a quote here. Yes. So, here's a quote, right, from somebody. It says, on this whole conference, it's a bit controversial. It says, skip. the plenary theater, watch it on UN Web TV. If you're curious, read the scientific panel report when it drops or consider a written input. Then it goes on to say what it won't produce is binding rules, realistic outputs, or agreed principles, the ongoing dialogue mechanism, and possibly the AI safety incident framing. And it says the hard questions will be deferred over months and years. And the second session is in New York, May 2027. So this quote I am reading is from Claude, AI. So you have to understand the irony here, what AI thinks of this conference. So AI thinks that there's really no value. I mean, basically, essentially, there's no value and people shouldn't waste too much time with it and there's not going to be anything to come out of it.
Janet (Moderator/Host)
That's not a good start.
Robert Kainamura (Moderator)
Yes, that's what I was saying. So I am starting here to...
Crystal Rugege
So meeting is done.
Robert Kainamura (Moderator)
Yes. So let's not lose our time. Exactly. So this is my call to action for us as human beings versus this AI, is to challenge this AI and for us to come out with meaningful and binding agreements and for this not to be, in its words, a plenary theater. That this is real for us. For them, it's artificial. So with that, we'd like to start with Crystal. Crystal is the managing director of the Rwanda Center of the Fourth Industrial Revolution. She's been at the forefront of shaping Rwandan's AI governance, innovation, economics, ecosystem. emerging technology while partnering through the World Economic Forum. And Crystal has always been a pioneer. I know she started a career at IBM and then also went on to found Carnegie Mellon in Rwanda, which was the first major university in Africa. And then now she's been pushing on to other things. So, Crystal, the first question we have for you is what barriers do you see are the biggest in scaling AI?
Crystal Rugege
Good morning, everyone. I think he scared us into making sure we can say something meaningful, but happy to be with you all here today. And really. Maybe just taking a step back, you know, with the barriers and just, I think, acknowledging the journey. I think which hasn't been. really a talk shop, but really Ronda having a very clear vision on what it wants to achieve. Let me pass our water down. Yeah, this is him. Yes, our moderator is really trying to just throw us off. Yeah. So I think I think the journey, you know, as a minister frame this morning, it's been a deliberate journey in trying to one harness technology. Let's say, you know, technology in general for the benefit of society aligned with our national priorities. And so I think we've come to this moment with AI where we see tremendous potential and how it can add value, how it can accelerate and advance our strategic goals as a country. So it's something that we haven't just woken up to. It's something that we've been really laying, I think, quite deliberate foundations towards that. And that's really been the foundational work of CFRI. And first laying the. foundational governance instruments from the data protection and privacy law that the minister mentioned, as well as the national AI policy. And so now as we come to, I think, this moment where we're ready as a country to actually start applying AI, you know, within the public sector as well as the private sector, but really, you know, for the benefit of public good, what does it take to scale? You know, we recently transitioned, you know, from being more policy advisory to actually, you know, getting into the business of trying to pilot and scale these solutions primarily through our work with the Ronda AI Scaling Hub, supported by the Gates Foundation. And what we found is that across the board, because our scaling hub focuses on health, agriculture, and education, and when we think about, you know, the barriers to, to Rob's question, it's not, you know, specific to the domains. It's not, you know, healthcare specific questions or education. specific questions or agriculture, if you will, a lot of them are really cross -cutting, you know, issues that we need to solve for. So I think one is the right governance environment, and I think that we're really fortunate in Rwanda to have a government that has the right agile mindset, knowing that it's nearly impossible for government to keep pace with innovation. And therefore, while you can put the right, you know, guardrails in place, or what we think are the right guardrails for the moment, you still have to be agile enough to adapt. You have to be agile enough to be willing to test some things where there is absence of a governance framework. You know, speaking to, for instance, an example with Zipline, you know, several years ago where they weren't able to actually pilot their drone delivery technology anywhere in the world, but they came to Rwanda and they found a willing partner, even though we didn't have a regulation in place. And so I think we have to take kind of a similar perspective. when it comes to, you know, putting in place the right, you know, foundations. And what we found with now as we look at the applications in the real world, in real context, you know, some of the barriers that we've seen as we try to scale compute is one obvious one. And it's a challenge, I think, for really the entire world. But I think it disproportionately is a complex problem, I think, for countries like ours that don't have that domestic capacity. You know, the debate around whether or not we should be building, you know, in -country infrastructure, you know, the cost it takes to do that versus trying to move quickly and relying on, you know, some of the cloud -based, you know, solutions that we have. So that's, I think, one major one. The other, I would say, is certainly around skills as we scale. Because if we don't invest in skills, and we don't invest in the right tools, really skills at every layer, then we're definitely going to be stuck in this cycle of just being users and adopters of the AI and not really empowering a generation of people who can create, you know, solutions that are really fit for their context and responsive to the challenges and opportunities that are on the ground. So that's something that is a long game, you know, building skills. It's not something that will happen overnight, but it's something that we certainly have to invest in. And I think the biggest one is funding, right? Funding, but I think funding can be addressed through also the right partnerships, you know, so I'm really excited about this moment we've entered into with the AI agency because it's also, I think, helped align government to have this kind of whole of government approach to how are we attacking this AI problem? How are we, you know, positioning ourselves strategically to be able to attract the right partnerships, to be able to attract the right partners, to be able to attract the right funding so we can scale? So I'll pause there and we can hear others.
Robert Kainamura (Moderator)
Okay. Thank you so much, Crystal, for it. And I think you may have. had coined the new agile, the A in AI is for agile, I guess, right now, because I'm thinking all of us have now felt the challenge and the speed at which things are changing, forcing us to be more agile. So that brings us to speaking of agility. We're bringing us to our next panelist, Dr. Hoda. And she's been one of the pioneers in Africa with the establishment of the Egyptian Center of Responsible AI. So the question I have for, yes, for Dr. Hoda is that looking back at Egypt's journey, what have been the most important institutional lessons in translating the a national AI strategy into implementation, and then how can other countries in Africa or the world benefit from your learnings?
Hoda Baraka
Thank you very much, and thank you actually for inviting me for this very special session. I'm definitely pleased to share some of our institutional lessons with all esteemed attendees, and thanks God that you are not in a plenary session. We are just in a session. So maybe Claude does not apply to this one. Well, I think the most important lesson from what we are doing in Egypt and from Egypt experience is that an AI strategy does not implement itself. It requires a clear operating model. Who will coordinate? Who will regulate? Who will build the capacity? Who will pilot the use cases? Who will measure the progress? And who is accountable when risks emerge? I think this is really very important. questions that we have to consider when we start the implementation of a strategy. We started our second Egyptian national AI strategy in January 2025. We started the first one. This was back in 2020. And at that time, AI was still not very clear what are the impact, what are the risks, what we need to do. It was a little bit fragile at that time. But in 2025, I think that we have reached a very mature status where we see not only the opportunities, but also the challenges that come with the application and the implementation of AI. And we started in 2026 by having a guide to Egypt national AI governance framework. And we have established. Also in 2026, our Egyptian center for responsible AI. So we started with a number of tools or institutions that can actually help us to move from the ownership to the implementation part. A central body is definitely needed. I congratulate Rwanda, of course, for having this AI Scaling Hub. I think this is really a very important agency that can definitely support the implementation of the AI strategy in Rwanda. In partnership with other centers like your center, I think it's also an important flagship for Rwanda. We had our National Council for AI established in 2019, and then we thought that it is not enough. So we need something, an institution for privacy data. the PDPC, and I think this is also another tool for the implementation of the AI strategy. And we thought that we need to make sure that when we talk about the policies, about the governance, this is centralized. But when we talk about the implementation of the strategy itself, then we need to go to the grassroots, we need to go to all the ministries, we need to go to different agencies to support the implementation of the strategy itself. So when you talk about capacity building, when you talk about the ecosystem, when you talk about the startups, we have the information technology development agency that is in charge of this part. When we talk about data, the governance, we talk about PDPC. When we talk about safety and security, we have the Egyptian CERT. When we talk about investment, we have the Ministry of Investment with the... A good bunch of... instruments for our young professionals in the field of AI. When we talk about capacity building, we have different number of institutes that help in the capacity building, the Information Technology Institute, the National Telecom Institute, and also Digital Egypt Generation as an initiative for capacity building. So maybe one lesson here is how actually to make sure that we are treating governance as enabler and not as a break. This is really a very important lesson that we have learned. When we started actually to put together our guidelines, we don't have a law in Egypt. You need to understand that this is a choice. Whether you start with a law or you start with a policy framework, a number of guidelines that will be used. as governance, but not definitely a concrete hard law that may be a break for the creativity and the innovation of our ecosystem. So our choice in Egypt is to make this kind of balance between, from one side, promoting innovation and creativity and supporting SMEs, and from the other side is we need to have a framework, a governance framework, that will help us to protect our society, our community, and this is really very important. And that's why we started by a framework. This is a governance framework that is basically aligned with a lot of international frameworks. Maybe we have Huderia, we have Aram Erf from NIST, we have also work with the OECD for the ethical principles, we have worked with UNESCO. And then we came up with our localized version of AI governance framework. To make it in practice also, we have issued the guidelines for AI systems. It's very important that we understand that it's very good to have an ethical charter. Okay, it was published back in 2023. In 2026, let's start with the 2026. It's just a document that we have that is very well written, that is very aligned with all the international norms, but nothing on ground. I like very much what actually Her Excellency mentioned about what do we have on ground. So we have on the website a nice document, but what do we have on ground? This was our question, that how to move from the theoretical aligned ethical principles to real work that will be on ground. So we started actually to establish. What we call the AI audit lab. It's a. It's like a sandbox so that we are sure that all the nice principles that we are talking about, from being fair, from being accountable, explainability, transparency, accountability, comes into reality. Definitely we are very thankful and appreciating all the help that Egypt is taking from different partners, from GIZ, from the African Union, from the discussions, from the multilateral cooperation, so that we can be capable of really having and building this sandbox. We just call it for now an AI audit lab because we want to be humble, but we are looking forward to have it as a real sandbox for implementation and testing and validation of AI systems. This is really very important. One thing also that we have learned... through our journey these last two years is that when you go to the public servants and talk to them about the great ethical charter, they don't really know what does it mean. Okay, so one of the things that we were focusing on is the capacity building of our youth, of the students, universities, even professors, even teachers. But one important segment that we have to focus on is the public employees. This is really very, very important. If you want to make sure that AI systems are deployed in a practical and that the impact of these use cases are valid, then you need to make sure that you have on board all the ministries and all the public servants. And that's why we started to have this capacity building program focusing on the public employees and the public servants. We have the procurement guidelines. This is very important because they want to procure AI systems, and they don't know what are the conditions that they have to put in the TOR so that they have the right systems. They have to actually to receive this system from the vendors and what kind of success measures that they can put together. So this is really very important, a procurement guideline. And definitely all our ministries, they even require a training on the procurement guideline so that they understand how to write a good RFP and how to make sure that all the threats that we are talking about are handled inside this RFP. Maybe finally, one important thing that we have learned also is, how to balance sovereignty with international partnership. This is really a very important point, because when we are working in Egypt, we have our Arabic language, we have our cultural norms, we have our values, we have our religion, and we need to make sure that when we import technologies, we are sure that it reflects our norms, our values, our traditions, and our language. And that's why it's very important on the Egyptian side and also on the African side, because African countries, somehow we are alike. So we need to make sure that it reflects all our values and our traditions in whatever technologies we are importing from other parts of the world. For Rwanda specifically, I think it's... Rwanda is an agency that wants the AI agency. the main takeaway to design this agency not only as a policy body, and we've heard from Her Excellency this morning, that it is not about policy. It's basically about implementation. It's about implementation of use cases. It's about building the capacity of the youth. It's about building the capacity of the public employees. It's to define what national priorities are there so that we are sure that we are implementing our priorities. This definitely will allow Rwanda to move very quickly in the implementation and adoption responsible and ethical AI in this. I'll stop
Robert Kainamura (Moderator)
Thank you so much, Dr. Hoda. There's so much to be learned. And I thank you. I think we're going to ping you in how you balance it. Because you're running a national AI strategy. and you're a professor at Cairo University, and previously it was at seven years that you're deputy minister of ICT in Egypt. So she really knows how to manage large volumes of responsibilities while still being very clear and articulate. So we're really going to have to find a way to clone you or develop a large language model. Call it Dr. Hoda. Because that's very difficult to do. So now our next guest is Megan, and Megan's career runs through nearly every corner of the multilateral system, the UN Foundation, Council of Foreign Relations, German Marshall Fund, NYU Center of International Cooperation, and now UNDP. And she's done research at the Blair Foundation, focused previously on the gap between how foundations and how fast digital technology moves and how slowly multilateral policy moves. as well as she also understands how messy things can get and at the same time how to come up with very clear solutions. So she's managed election assistance programs in Southeast Asia, so she knows technology deployment at the ground level and not just at the policy level. So it's an honor to have you here and gain some insights from where you see AI and the key sectors of health care, agricultural education, and what factors determine whether innovation is truly ready.
Megan Roberts
Thank you so much for the kind introduction. And thank you to the government of Rwanda first for organizing this important conversation and also for inviting UNDP to speak. To contribute and to share a few thoughts because the focus of this conversation, moving from strategy to implementation, is really at the heart of so much of our work day to day at UNDP. I sit in the Digital AI and Innovation Hub. And this is really a huge part of our work every day. For anyone who's unfamiliar with UNDP, we're the UN's development agency. We're present in 170 countries around the world and providing digital and AI programming and partnerships in 130 countries in the world. As others have mentioned already, from UNDP's vantage point, we really do see the incredible promise that AI offers to accelerate sustainable development. But we're in a very interesting moment right now where we see that AI adoption and AI deployment is outpacing the readiness of our systems to govern and oversee the widespread implications of these technologies. We've really moved from a conversation on access. To technologies. To one that centers on agency, on implementation, and on systems. So UNDP has, over the last three years, completed 26 AI landscape assessments in 26 different countries. We've got 10 more underway. And I'd like to speak to a few patterns that we've seen across these assessments that really shape whether an AI innovation can deliver impact and scale. So first, and this won't be a surprise to this room and to this group, but the political attention on AI is not in short supply, right? Across many contexts, we see that AI is already a visible national priority. But that harder task of, as others have said, of building the mandates, the systems, the coordination frameworks to deliver these priorities responsibly is really lagging. So implementation of national strategies, and this is to echo a point of Dr. Hoda, means answering questions like, who leads AI deployment? Who leads AI deployment across government ministries? How are priorities financed? How are systems procured? Dr. Hoda mentioned this already. It's such an important set of questions to unpack. Which institutions supervise deployment? And where does accountability sit when systems fail or when harms are experienced? So whether countries can answer this set of questions and crucially organize their institutions, their mandates, their resources around them really determines whether that political attention can translate into delivery capacity and therefore really scaling impact from AI solutions. The second trend that we see is that AI adoption is really entering already through existing systems. So your procurement systems, your sector programs, DPI initiatives, it's not waiting for us to get our national strategy and our governance frameworks and all of our ducks in a row. It's arriving. And so this means that very important consequential path -dependent decisions are being made before they're visible as policy choices. They seem like a technical procurement decision. They seem like a choice in terms of how you're developing your DPI, but they actually really arc into your overall national strategy for how you're deploying AI. The third pattern that we see is data is often a decisive factor. So the quality, the interoperability, the access, the governance of the data really determine whether a promising pilot can become reliable at scale. And data is often also where we see where inclusion is decided. So which populations are visible, which languages are represented, and where these are weak. Even strong innovation models can stall out or fail. The fourth thing we see, and this is to respond to the provocation from Minister Paul, is that trust and safety are a part of AI readiness. They're not an add -on once you have AI. So an innovation can really only benefit everyone equally when we have that assurance in place, so the capacity to monitor performance, to detect harms, to correct systems, which matters most in some of the applications where we see real promise in health care and education because these are the places where errors affect people directly and almost instantly, right? And then finally, to echo a point that a few others have made already, the institutional ownership is very important. So clear mandates, financing, delivery routines must be in place in order to see innovations really scale and deliver. So I think in short, I'd say AI adoption will not automatically advance human development on its own, and even AI innovations that look excellent on paper, that have been transformative in other contexts, can fail if you're not matching the investments and the innovations themselves with investments in the ecosystem into which you're deploying the systems. So I'll stop there. Thank you.
Robert Kainamura (Moderator)
Thank you so much, Megan. Yes, in this funding, and you mentioned accountability, so I think even, I guess, in courts and stuff, people are going to say AI made me do it or whatever, and where does it stop and start? Now, coming to our next guest, John. John has worked market growth roles from Google to Sun Microsystems, DigiCell, BMC Software, before founding ADN Labs, Afia Record, and AfriMart across health tech, e -commerce, and fintech. Interestingly, John was knighted, forgive my French, Chevalier de Hort d 'Hésard de Technologie. so he'll probably have to explain it a bit which is a credential for AI and John, I guess we've been talking about funding and he seems to be one who has experience in making AI pay for itself so maybe he might keep us honest here and share his feedback so John, please.
John Kamara
Thank you very much Hi everyone My name is John Kamara Context, I run the AI Center of Excellence in Nairobi since 2019 when we first started I think, you know, I got I'm an engineer so I started working in machine learning in 2006 to build stuff just, you know, before AI became super cool so I engineer, I build solutions deep learning, machine learning reinforcement learning computer authorization then fast forward, compute power LLMs and everything we're talking about today I think it's a fantastic project for the AI agency in Rwanda. But I speak from a private sector perspective mostly because I think that's one of the most important things in over 132 sessions that I've attended in the past four years. So I keep count. Private sector. The people with the money is the private sector in Africa. Enterprise Africa is never shown anywhere in any conversation. The big companies, you know, as a center, we have to make money. And to make money, startups can't really pay us a lot of money. So it has to be the large enterprise corporations in the continent. So there's three sectors you look at. There's government, there's the startup, and there's enterprise Africa. Most enterprise Africa, 87 % of them buy all their AI from vendors globally. They're not in this room. They don't understand what we're talking about because they have to run the business. and even for them, policy, most of them have very little understanding. All the top 150 CEOs in Africa, if you ask them about AI policy, they literally, it's not very, very bottom line is do we make money? Does AI work for us? So I think there's a massive disconnect between the whole strategy conversations that we consistently have, the policy great, and the real buyers. The first buyer, which is enterprise Africa. They have money today. They have to implement AI solutions. How do we bridge that gap? So I'm hoping the agency would really find a way to get these guys into the room and say, okay, how do we help you help us to help these startups that we're trying to build? That's number one. Number two is if you then go up that same curve of enterprise development, you talk about talent, you know, when we started running talent programs in 2019 for data scientists, you know, trained 50 of them with UNCDF, I remember. But over time, when you look at the curve, you find that it's not just about the data sciences. It's about the scientists, the mathematicians, the physicists, the philosophers. So, and the ethics. So I work with a couple of companies in South Africa, some of my clients. And last week it said, can you hire for us two AI ethics officers? So I asked the question, where do we find that? But they have to work in compliance departments. Where would you find that? What university teaches AI ethics officers? So again, there's a really interesting need to really study the industry that is artificial intelligence. It's a whole industry. It starts from power generation all the way to application. It has data sciences It has data sciences, compute But it's the whole industry And for you to get investment I work with the sovereign wealth funds 11 of them in the continent And the conversation is What is the industry for investment in AI As sovereign wealth funds We need to make money And can this thing help us make money So there's AI for good And there's enterprise AI And both of them are actually good It's just being able to bridge that gap And I think also the last part Is real R &D Where we totally have to deploy finance into R &D Because it's a critical part So we started working on A distributed network project For distributed compute To raise $150 million So that we can actually bring AI closer To the small companies Because they don't necessarily need hyperscalers
Robert Kainamura (Moderator)
okay thank you so much john and thank you to our panelists and thank you to our uh audience um and we're going to have to end the session because the other group is coming in and the other one started late so we're kind of passing on the you know the baton here but thanks so much

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