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AI, Digitalisation and the Transformation of Jobs: Ensuring Decent Work

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Summary

This panel discussion, moderated by Maria Prieto Berhouet of the ILO, brought together experts from the ILO and ITU to examine how artificial intelligence and digitalisation are reshaping labour markets, occupations, and employment policy worldwide .

Sher Verick outlined the ILO's AI exposure index, noting that approximately one in four workers globally are exposed to AI, but only 3.3% of global employment is most vulnerable to automation due to the limited diversity of tasks in those roles . He stressed that the impact of AI goes beyond job quantity, affecting job quality through automated recruitment, performance monitoring, and task assignment systems, while also potentially generating new jobs and broader economic demand effects . Uma Rani expanded on this by illustrating how algorithmic tools differ across sectors: in manufacturing, surveillance technologies increase worker monitoring and stress, while in healthcare, digital workflow systems raise workload intensity for both nurses and doctors . She also highlighted the largely invisible workforce of data labellers and content moderators in the Global South who underpin AI systems, arguing for policy frameworks such as fair trade labour standards, supply chain disclosure requirements, and data provenance certification to protect these workers .

Juan Chacaltana emphasised that governments must actively shape the future of work through policy, noting that a review of 75 policy documents found many countries are beginning to integrate digital tools into employment services, skills delivery, and labour market information systems . He cautioned, however, that digital tools are enablers rather than silver bullets for challenges such as informality, and must be combined with traditional drivers like productivity growth and strong institutions . Prachi Kumar described the ITU Academy's two-pronged approach to capacity building, serving over 115,000 ICT professionals whilst also reaching 700,000 underserved individuals through Digital Transformation Centres, and noted a threefold growth in interest in AI-related courses over five years .

The discussion concluded with broad agreement that a human-centred approach is essential, requiring social dialogue involving workers and employers, cross-ministerial coordination, and targeted efforts to protect vulnerable groups - including women, youth, and older workers - from discrimination and labour market exclusion driven by biased AI tools .

Keypoints
  • Overall Purpose

  • The discussion aims to examine how AI and digital transformation are reshaping labour markets globally, exploring the risks and opportunities for workers across different sectors, occupations, and demographic groups. The session brings together experts from the ILO and ITU to address policy responses, capacity building, and the need for a human-centred approach to technological change.
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  • Major Discussion Points

  • AI exposure and its differentiated impact on jobs and tasks: Rather than simply destroying jobs en masse, AI exposure affects workers differently depending on the mix of tasks within their roles. The ILO's AI exposure index indicates that roughly one in four workers globally are exposed to AI, but only 3.3% of global employment is most vulnerable to automation. Certain occupations, such as administrative and clerical roles and software development, face greater exposure. Beyond job quantity, AI also affects job quality through automated recruitment, performance monitoring, and task assignment systems. - Algorithmic management tools and their sector-specific impacts on workers: The use of algorithmic tools varies significantly across industries. In manufacturing, surveillance technologies such as CCTV and ID badges are used to monitor workers in real time, increasing stress and accountability. In healthcare, electronic records and workflow management systems improve efficiency but intensify workloads for nurses and doctors alike, raising concerns about data privacy and psychosocial stress. These tools affect workers at all skill levels, not merely those in low-skilled roles. - The invisible human labour underpinning AI systems: A significant but largely overlooked workforce in the Global South performs essential data labelling, annotation, and content moderation tasks that make AI systems function. Uma Rani argues this workforce should be recognised as "human-in-the-loop intelligence" rather than being obscured by the autonomous image of AI. Policy responses proposed include fair trade labour standards, conflict mineral-style supply chain disclosures, and data provenance certification to ensure decent working conditions and mental health protections for these workers. - Vulnerable populations at greatest risk from AI-driven labour market changes: Youth, women, and older workers face particular risks. Young workers risk losing entry-level roles that traditionally provide on-the-job training and career progression, hollowing out pathways into the labour market. Women face a "double whammy" of job displacement and discriminatory bias embedded in AI hiring tools. Workers in the informal economy may retain their jobs but lose autonomy and discretion as algorithmic guidance systems increasingly dictate how tasks are performed. - Policy frameworks and capacity building needed to shape an inclusive digital transition: Governments are increasingly integrating digital tools into employment policy, including modernising public employment services, improving labour market information, and supporting e-formalisation, though this remains at an early stage. Juan Chacaltana cautions that digital tools are enablers rather than silver bullets, and must be combined with traditional drivers such as productivity growth, incentives, and strong institutions. The ITU Academy and its Digital Transformation Centres are working to address AI skills divides, serving over 700,000 people in underserved communities and offering free AI governance courses in multiple languages. Social dialogue involving workers, employers, and multiple government ministries is identified as essential to ensuring comprehensive and fair policy responses.
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  • Overall Tone

  • The overall tone of the discussion is measured, informative, and constructive, reflecting the professional expertise of the panellists. It opens with a broadly analytical register as speakers outline the scale and complexity of AI's impact on labour markets. As the conversation progresses into topics such as algorithmic surveillance, the invisible workforce, and vulnerable populations, the tone becomes more urgent and at times provocative - particularly in Uma Rani's interventions, where she challenges the audience directly and questions whether AI is being used as a "scapegoat" for job losses. Juan Chacaltana introduces a note of cautious optimism, emphasising that policy can and should actively shape technological change rather than merely react to it. Towards the close, the tone becomes more solution-oriented and collaborative, with speakers highlighting ongoing initiatives and partnerships. Throughout, the discussion maintains a human-centred ethos, consistently returning to the need to protect workers' rights and dignity amid rapid technological change.
Speakers Overview
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Mr. Sher Verick
174 wpm · 10 min
MU
Ms. Uma Rani Amara
154 wpm · 16 min
MJ
Mr. Juan Chacaltana
112 wpm · 9 min
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Ms. Praachi Kumar
179 wpm · 8 min
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Ms. Maria Prieto Berhouet
112 wpm · 9 min
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Audience
129 wpm · 2 min

Expanded Summary: AI, Digitalisation, and the Future of Work - ILO and ITU Panel Discussion

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Introduction and Panel Overview

This 45-minute panel discussion, moderated by Maria Prieto Berhouet, Senior Employment Specialist at the ILO and coordinator of Action Line C7 on employment, brought together four experts from the International Labour Organization (ILO) and the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) to examine how artificial intelligence and digitalisation are reshaping labour markets, occupations, and employment policy worldwide . The session was framed around a dual challenge: new technologies are creating opportunities whilst simultaneously generating risks through task reshaping, skills mismatches, and deteriorating working conditions . The panel comprised Sher Verick, coordinator of digitalisation and AI at the ILO; Uma Rani Amara, senior economist in the ILO's research department; Juan Chacaltana, senior employment specialist in the ILO's employment department; and Prachi Kumar, ITU Associate Capacity Development Officer . The discussion was structured around a series of directed questions to each panellist, with audience participation invited throughout .

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AI Exposure and Its Differentiated Impact on Jobs and Tasks

Sher Verick opened the substantive discussion by challenging the prevailing media narrative that AI will wipe out millions of jobs, characterising such headlines as overly simplistic . Drawing on the ILO's own AI exposure index, he noted that approximately one in four workers globally are exposed to AI, but that only 3.3% of global employment is most exposed to automation . This distinction is critical: workers in the most exposed category tend to have jobs with limited task diversity, meaning that the tasks most susceptible to automation constitute a larger proportion of their overall role, leaving them more vulnerable . By contrast, workers whose jobs encompass a broader and more varied bundle of tasks are more likely to see those tasks transformed rather than eliminated .

Verick identified four effects through which AI affects the labour market, cautioning that public debate too often stops at the first. The first effect - task exposure - concerns which occupations and roles are most affected, with administrative and clerical roles, web programming, and software development identified as particularly exposed due to the nature of their tasks . The second effect concerns job creation: AI is generating new roles, and these are not only jobs in Silicon Valley such as AI engineers and machine learning specialists, but also supply chain roles such as data annotators, often located in the Global South . However, Verick noted that whilst these roles represent new opportunities, they also raise significant challenges in terms of decent work . The third effect - and, from a decent work perspective, arguably the most fundamental - is job quality . Verick stressed that AI's impact on working conditions through automated recruitment systems, performance monitoring tools, and task assignment algorithms is reshaping the nature of employment in ways that headline job-loss statistics fail to capture . The fourth effect concerns broader macroeconomic demand: if AI translates into higher productivity, lower prices, and increased consumer demand, it may ultimately generate new jobs economy-wide, though Verick noted that, as with computerisation, these effects may take considerable time to materialise .

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Algorithmic Management Tools and Their Sector-Specific Impacts

Uma Rani Amara deepened the analysis by examining how algorithmic tools are deployed differently across industries, emphasising that the impact of AI on workers is far more diverse and sector-specific than the public focus on large language models such as ChatGPT might suggest . She drew an important conceptual distinction, noting that the boundary between automation and AI is increasingly blurred, as data collection tools feed directly into algorithmic processing systems that can automatically manage workflows, predict outcomes, and assess performance . She also highlighted the growing role of general-purpose technologies - such as WhatsApp, Microsoft Notes, and voice-over applications - which are being used in workplaces in ways that carry significant implications for workers even when not designed specifically for that purpose .

To illustrate these dynamics concretely, Uma Rani offered two sectoral case studies. In the automobile industry, surveillance technologies such as ID badges and CCTV systems are used systematically to monitor workers in real time and collect data on work processes . Whilst industry proponents argue that such tools reduce errors and improve efficiency , Uma Rani highlighted the other side of this equation: workers are under constant surveillance, individual faults in production can be traced back to specific employees, and repercussions - ranging from training requirements to formal warnings - can follow . Data visualisation tools displaying performance metrics create additional pressure, as workers face the constant risk of dismissal if productivity levels fall . In healthcare, electronic health records and workflow management systems enable hospitals to optimise patient scheduling and bed allocation, benefiting both institutions and patients . However, the same systems intensify workloads for nurses and doctors, who are placed on call more regularly as a result . Uma Rani also highlighted that general-purpose technologies used in healthcare settings - such as WhatsApp groups for sharing clinical discussions - raise serious data privacy concerns, as sensitive patient information is transmitted through channels not designed for that purpose . Performance dashboards assessing doctors' clinical decisions across multiple patients add a further layer of surveillance that extends to highly skilled professionals, not merely low-skilled workers .

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The Invisible Human Labour Underpinning AI Systems

Uma Rani's second major intervention, offered in response to a separate question from the moderator, addressed what she described as the largely invisible workforce that makes AI systems function. She began by asking the audience how many were aware of the human labour involved in building AI, noting that only a small number of hands were raised . She argued that the apparent autonomy of AI systems - whether large language models, medical diagnostic tools, autonomous vehicles, or e-commerce platforms - obscures the reality that millions of workers are performing essential tasks of labelling, categorising, and annotating data behind the scenes . In a deliberately provocative formulation, she proposed that AI should be renamed "human-in-the-loop intelligence" to reflect the extent of human involvement at every stage of the digital supply chain .

Uma Rani argued that whilst much regulatory attention focuses on AI deployment, the conditions under which AI is developed - and the workers involved in that development - receive far less scrutiny . She distinguished between "algorithmic workers" such as software programmers and data engineers, and the much larger population of "data workers" who clean, label, and verify the ground-truth data without which AI models cannot function accurately . She noted that the persistence of hallucinations in systems such as ChatGPT reflects the ongoing need for human content moderation to correct AI outputs . On the question of policy frameworks, Uma Rani proposed three concrete approaches. First, she suggested applying what she referred to as the "M&E declaration" from both the ILO and the OECD to AI supply chains . Second, she proposed introducing fair trade labour standards and conflict mineral-style supply chain disclosure requirements for AI, so that companies would be required to disclose which workers in which countries trained their systems and under what conditions . She referenced a recent California legislative bill as a step in this direction, noting that it specifically addresses psychosocial stress for content moderation workers, as well as wages and other benefits for those involved in training AI systems . Third, she proposed a data provenance certification system modelled on existing regulatory bodies such as food and drug administrations and transport regulators, which would ensure that workers involved in training AI systems have appropriate qualifications and decent working conditions, whilst also protecting end-users from liability risks . She concluded by welcoming the recently adopted ILO Convention C193 on platform work as a meaningful step forward for micro-task platform workers, whilst noting that it addresses only one part of the broader challenge .

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Vulnerable Populations at Greatest Risk

Returning to the question of which groups face the greatest risks from AI-driven labour market changes, Uma Rani offered a nuanced assessment that challenged some prevailing assumptions . She questioned whether AI is genuinely responsible for the wave of job losses announced by technology companies, suggesting that AI may be serving as a "scapegoat" for restructuring decisions that would have occurred regardless, and noting that recent reports indicate companies are rehiring in areas where AI failed to perform as expected .

Nonetheless, Uma Rani identified three groups as facing particularly acute risks. First, young workers are at risk not simply of losing jobs to automation, but of losing the entry-level positions through which they traditionally gain on-the-job training and build the experience needed to progress to senior roles . If AI automates these entry-level tasks, the developmental pathway into the labour market is hollowed out, creating a structural problem for human capital formation that training programmes alone may not resolve. Second, women face what Uma Rani described as a "double whammy": they risk job displacement in sectors affected by automation, whilst simultaneously facing discrimination through biased AI hiring tools that are already in use across many organisations, including United Nations bodies . Third, older workers face a similar risk of being systematically excluded through the same biased algorithmic hiring processes . Uma Rani also raised a less commonly discussed risk for workers in the informal economy: even a plumber, who is unlikely to lose their job to AI, may find their professional autonomy and cognitive discretion eroded as algorithmic guidance systems increasingly dictate how tasks should be performed - raising broader questions about where human thinking and cognitive ability fit in the future of work .

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Employment Policy Responses to Digital and AI Transformation

Juan Chacaltana approached the discussion from the perspective of employment policy, arguing that the transformative potential of AI extends not only to jobs themselves but to the very process of policymaking . He presented findings from an ILO review of 75 employment policy documents from around the world, published as "The Digital Transformation of Employment Policies", which found that many governments are beginning to integrate digital tools into employment services, skills delivery, labour market information systems, and e-formalisation processes, though this transition remains at an early stage . He noted that some governments began this journey in the early 2000s when internet penetration was below 10%, demonstrating that the process of integrating digitalisation into employment policy can begin even from a very low base .

Chacaltana's most emphatic point was normative: the future of work should not be something that workers and governments simply adapt to, but something that is actively shaped through policy . He rejected the notion that the burden of preparation falls solely on individuals, particularly young people, and argued that policymakers must take responsibility for designing the conditions under which technological change occurs . He described the need for a whole-of-government approach coordinating across labour, education, and technology ministries . On the specific question of formalisation, Chacaltana acknowledged the positive potential of digital tools to simplify business registration, connect tax and social security systems, and strengthen labour inspection . However, he raised a significant caution: there is a risk that governments use these tools primarily for enforcement and surveillance rather than empowerment, a concern he illustrated with the example of Estonia's digital identity system, which revealed the extent of government data holdings on individual citizens - a prospect he described as "very scary" . He argued that social dialogue - involving workers and employers in decisions about the introduction of digital identity and data-sharing tools - is the essential safeguard against this risk . His overarching conclusion was that digital and AI tools are enablers of formalisation, not silver bullets: they must be combined with traditional drivers such as productivity growth, incentives, and strong institutions, and cannot substitute for the expertise and institutional foundations that effective formalisation requires . He illustrated this point with a memorable analogy: just as AI can improve the work of a doctor, you still have to be a doctor - digital tools for formalisation require underlying expertise and institutional knowledge to function effectively.

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Capacity Building and Digital Skills Development

Prachi Kumar brought the perspective of the ITU, focusing on the capacity building and skills development dimensions of the AI transition . She opened by noting that the ITU Academy serves over 115,000 users, 90% of whom are from developing countries, and has observed a threefold growth in interest in AI-related courses over the past five years . A notable finding from the Academy's user data is that interest in AI among women new to the platform has surpassed that of men, challenging common assumptions about gender and technology engagement . She also highlighted that AI has permeated virtually every topic area within the Academy's course catalogue, from cybersecurity and satellite regulation to the Internet of Things and blockchain .

Kumar argued that effective lifelong learning must be genuinely human-centred, grounded in adult learning principles and solid instructional design, and must incorporate peer learning, case-based approaches, and interactive elements to ensure that learners gain applied, tacit knowledge rather than merely theoretical understanding . She emphasised that the ITU Academy uses data on user demographics and topics of interest to anticipate learner needs and ensure that its offerings remain responsive to the evolving landscape . Beyond the Academy's professional-level offer, Kumar described the ITU's Digital Transformation Centres project, which targets underserved and hard-to-reach communities with basic and intermediate digital skills training, and which had reached 700,000 people as of the time of the session . She described the ITU's approach as built on partnerships - with training centres, digital transformation centres, the EU, the GIGA initiative, and others - and on intentionality in reaching different demographic groups .

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Institutional Responses: ILO and ITU Initiatives

In the closing phase of the discussion, both Verick and Kumar provided overviews of their respective organisations' broader responses to the challenges discussed. Verick highlighted the ILO's Observatory on AI and Work in the Digital Economy as a key resource for ongoing research and analysis, going beyond headline unemployment figures to examine job quality, workers' rights, and the implications of AI for small businesses . He noted the ILO's capacity-building work through the International Training Centre in Turin, its engagement with member states and constituents on AI use cases in public service delivery, and its partnerships including the DISCO initiative on digital skills . He stressed that the most important institutional priority is on policy: ensuring that existing international labour standards and national regulations are applied to AI challenges, identifying the gaps, and developing new frameworks through social dialogue that involves workers, employers, and ministries of both labour and technology . He specifically identified algorithmic transparency, accountability, bias, and data privacy as areas where genuine policy gaps exist and new frameworks are needed .

Kumar described the ITU's two-pronged approach to addressing what she characterised as a mutating digital divide - one that has evolved from a gender, infrastructure, and skills divide twenty years ago into an AI skills divide today . She noted that the ITU had recently launched a free, self-paced AI governance course translated into multiple languages, alongside face-to-face funded courses delivered in locations including Nairobi and Bosnia . She also described a partnership being inaugurated with UNESCO at the time of the session to expand AI governance learning opportunities globally, acknowledging that access, motivation, and funding remain significant barriers to participation .

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Audience Questions and Unresolved Challenges

An audience member raised a concern that resonated strongly with several of the discussion's themes: in Africa, despite growing AI investment and innovation, there is virtually no academic or institutional infrastructure to train people for AI oversight roles such as AI ethics officers, and no significant investment in building that capacity . Kumar responded by describing the ITU's existing AI governance course provision and its partnerships with UNESCO, whilst acknowledging that the challenge is not merely whether courses are available but who takes them, who has the capacity and funding to do so, and who recognises their value . Verick, responding from the ILO's perspective, stressed that the organisation's approach is longer-term and evidence-based, focused on understanding actual labour market demands in specific country contexts rather than prescribing particular job titles, and on embedding skills development within existing policy frameworks and governance systems .

A second audience question raised the possibility of digitally-enabled, non-traditional approaches to job creation beyond conventional employment services. Verick acknowledged the interest but noted that job creation ultimately depends on investment, industrial policy, and broader economic conditions that go beyond technology and services alone .

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Conclusions and Key Takeaways

In her closing remarks, Maria Prieto Berhouet synthesised the session's core themes . She identified the human-centred approach as the overarching principle that had recurred throughout the discussion - in the analysis of policy, skills, and working conditions alike . She echoed Uma Rani's framing of "humans in the loop" as a concept that must be taken seriously, both in terms of the invisible workforce underpinning AI development and in terms of ensuring that human judgement and agency remain central to the future of work . She emphasised the collective conviction of the panel that the future of work must be actively shaped to serve humanity, rather than allowing technological change to proceed without adequate consideration of its human consequences .

The discussion as a whole revealed a high degree of consensus among the panellists on several fundamental principles: the need for a human-centred approach; the importance of social dialogue and worker participation; the recognition that AI's impact on job quality is as significant as its impact on job quantity; the existence of an invisible workforce in AI supply chains requiring decent work protections; and the principle that digital tools must complement rather than replace existing policy frameworks and institutional foundations. At the same time, the discussion surfaced important unresolved tensions - including the question of whether AI is genuinely driving current job losses or serving as a scapegoat, the adequacy of existing regulatory frameworks for the AI development supply chain, and the challenge of ensuring that capacity building reaches those who most need it in the Global South. These tensions point to a rich and urgent agenda for further research, policy development, and international cooperation in the years ahead.

Ms. Maria Prieto Berhouet
That are reshaping the labor markets around the world and the impacts that are different across countries, sectors, occupations, different groups, that are on the one hand creating opportunities, as we know, but also challenges on task reshaping, skills mismatches, and other risks. It is in this context of this dual issue that I mentioned that we position this session, this 45 -minute session. So I have here a panel of experts from ILO and ITU. See the little pictures there? I have one colleague from the ILO that is Uma Rani, that is a senior economist in the research department and has been working for a decade on these issues. And you will see what she will come up with in terms of the risks, etc. We have Juan Chacaldana over there, who is a senior employment specialist in the employment department, a well -published researcher, but also works on employment policy development. We have Cher here next to me, that is the coordinator of digitalization and AI in the ILO, and also a well -published and... has worked on employment issues. over the years. And Prachi, that I should have said first, I'm sorry, because she's the ITU Associate Capacity Development Officer in the ITU, where she supports capacity and digital skills development, different initiatives that she will also address. I am Maria Prieto, and I am a Senior Employment Specialist in the ILO, and I also coordinate Action Line C7 on employment. This is why I'm moderating this session. So we're going to have like a panel with questions for our specialists. But also, if you feel that you have questions, please raise your hand, and we will try to squeeze everything in 45 minutes. So first, I turn to Cher. And the question on how are... AI and Digitalization, Changing the Organization of Work and Reshaping Tasks Across Different Occupation Sectors, Areas.
Mr. Sher Verick
Great. Well, thank you very much, Maria and ITU, for joining us and you all for coming today for this session. I think the overall topic doesn't need a lot of introduction. I think we all have thought about what the implications are of AI for jobs. And we see many headlines prophesying that AI could wipe out millions of jobs. Of course, it's much more nuanced than that, as always, and I want to just cover a few of those issues. And there are different ways to look at what are those effects that are likely to happen in the labor market and in the workplace and its implications for occupations and sectors. You know, for those who are familiar with the different approaches that are there to look at it, there's a lot of different ways to look at it. often we look at potential effects of AI or AI exposure which tells us something about how AI is changing tasks in jobs and of course the task based approach is the one that has been most commonly used because it really then breaks down the occupations, the jobs that we have into different tasks and then exposure to the effects of AI on them in terms of how they are automated or not and so that is the first dimension I wanted to flag in my response to this question and there the ILO's own AI exposure index indicates that around one in four workers globally are exposed to AI but that doesn't mean they're going to be all losing their jobs in fact within that category within that whole global employment only 3 .3 % are most exposed to automation because you know there's a lot of those jobs that are the most exposed have been exposed less diversity in the tasks they do, meaning that those tasks that are exposed to automation leave them more vulnerable to the effects of the adoption of those technologies. And ultimately, when you look at those tasks and to what extent a job is vulnerable to AI, it depends on that bundle and mix of tasks that are within a job, which will ultimately determine whether it's going to be automated or transformed. So just, that's the first dimension I wanted to flag and just to give that number from the ILO's own analysis. One in four jobs globally are exposed to AI, but around 3 .3 % of global employment are most exposed according to that index. And of course, that leads to specific questions or implications for occupations, because based on that occupational analysis, we can see which ones are more exposed. And indeed, there's certain occupations where those tasks are more affected, including administrative and clerical roles because of the nature of those tasks, includes web programming, of course, software development, etc., which are more exposed. Now, you know, there I just want to stress, of course, you know, we talk about exposure. It's not the actual impact. That's just potential impact. And I think, you know, for the last couple of years, not only the ILO, but others have been looking at this type of AI exposure. What is the likely impact of AI on occupations using that task -based analysis? But in reality, it's very important then to look at the actual effects in the workplace. I think this is where we are really today, and we'll hear more about some of that also from UMA in terms of algorithmic management tools, et cetera. But let me just flag then a few other effects, because often we stop there. But there are other effects that we need to consider when we look at those impacts, the impact of AI on jobs. Firstly, of course, AI is creating jobs. I mean, and these are not only the jobs in Silicon Valley, AI engineers, machine learning engineers, et cetera. It's also those in the supply chain, including those who do data annotation, often in the Global South. On the one hand, creating, you know, new opportunities. On the other hand... raising certain challenges in terms of decent work. Thirdly, we have to also think beyond quantity. Often the headline is destroying jobs, and that's all about the quantity of jobs, but what's more fundamental, particularly from a decent work perspective, is job quality. And here, and this again goes to the reference to Uma's intervention, is that we really see the impact of AI in the workplace through the use of AI in automated systems, you know, for recruitment, for monitoring tasks, for assigning work, etc., which really has implications for the nature of the job, you know, job quality, working conditions, you know, gain opportunities and challenges. And a final point that we also tend to forget in looking at this analysis, if you look in the broader debates, is, you know, whether there's a broader demand effect that arises through the adoption of any new technology, because ultimately you know, what you we need to see or wait to see is whether AI then translates into higher productivity in the workplace and then in the economy. How does that higher productivity translate into lower prices and does that then in turn create new demand? If that creates new demand, then it also creates broader economy -wide effects. It can create new jobs if that demand is then being stimulated as we see this process of higher productivity leading to lower prices, higher demand, etc. So that is, as we saw with the computer computerization, we had to wait quite a long time before we saw those productivity effects and I think a big issue is whether we'll see them faster this time. So let me stop there in terms of those four effects, looking at the tasks, looking at the job creation, looking at job quality nd then ultimately what are the broader economy -wide effects.
Ms. Maria Prieto Berhouet
Thank you. Thank you, Shane. So you mentioned Uma a few times, so I will turn to her with our next question. So in the context that we are seeing a steady rise in automated hiring, task assignment, performance tracking in regular workplaces, the question would be how does the implementation f algorithmic tools differ across the industries like retail, healthcare, banking, et cetera.
Ms. Uma Rani Amara
This particular panel discussion, and I think when we think of AI, we often our eyes go around chat GPT, large learning, language learning models, and we think that's what is having an impact across a range of industries. That might be true. I'm not going to say that is not true, but I think when you think of algorithmic tools or AI tools, it's quite diverse, and it's quite large depending upon the sector that you're looking at. You can hear me now? Okay. Sorry. You have to put on your earpiece. So I think it depends upon the sector you're looking at and also what are the functionalities within it that you're looking at. So we have at the ILO been doing a lot of research on trying to understand what are the types of algorithmic tools that are being used in different sectors. And if I just would pick up one or two, I can say that there's a mixture of specific technology tools that are there, which is inherently specific. And if I just would pick up one or two, I can say that there's a mixture of specific technology tools that are there, which is inherently specific to that particular sector. here again, when we think of technology, I think today we need to understand that there's a very fine line that exists between what is automation and what is AI, because there's a lot of data collection tools that are being used. And once you have this data collected, then the algorithm can automatically process that within the technology, which helps them to either ensure good quality, predict outcomes, or whatsoever. And then you have a number of systems that are being used. If you're talking about logistics sector, you have the warehouse management systems that are used to actually see what the workflow work processes are. And these are, again, can be, depending upon the level of technology, can be automated and algorithmically managed. And the third thing that we see is a lot of general purpose technology, like, you know, from voiceover, from voiceover, WhatsApp to your Microsoft Notes or other applications that are being increasingly used at workplaces. Now, I'm going to take quickly two examples to illustrate what does it happen. what are the tools and how it has an impact on workers per se. Now, if you're looking at automobile industry per se, you know, you have a lot of not necessarily new generation technologies, but earlier technologies like, you know, ID badges or you're talking about CCTVs that are actually used systematically to monitor and to collect data about the work processes. Now, one of the arguments that is put up by the industry is that you want to reduce errors. You want to improve efficiency. That's very true. You can do that. But at the same time, a worker is being surveyed and monitored at real time. And you can see if a particular product or a particular component, if there's a faultiness, which was a worker who actually did it. And then there can be repercussions with regard to, you know, what kind of action you need to take. Either it could be training or it could be warning or whatsoever. So the level of surveillance today has increased. And then you have a lot of data visualization tools that are available today, which are used for actually putting up the performance metrics, which again creates a kind of a stress and attention to ensure that your productivity levels don't come down, because if they do, you could be sacked. So you see this implication. Now, let me take the other side of it within the health care industry where, you know, you today have not only the electronic health care records, which have been automated, but you can also use that workflow to see how many patients you can take in a particular emergency ward or how many beds do you have for the patients per se. Now, this is very good from the hospital's point of view and for the patient, because, you know, the patient knows when they can come. But if you look at the other side of it, the doctors. the nurses, the intensity of work has increased because, you know, you're on the call on a regular basis. So, you know, this is a kind of, while it improves efficiency on one hand, it also increases stress on the other. Probably one thing that could be done is to see, you know, how do you increase the number of people that are necessary to actually lead, to manage the workload, but that does not really necessarily happen. The second thing that we see is, you know, often when we think of technologies, we think of down the line, low level skilled workers, how they get pressurized, stressed, and the implications that they have. Within the healthcare industry, it's interesting. Nurses very clearly do have increase in workload because of many of these tools coming in, but you also see doctors, being affected. So, today, in many of the hospitals, You have WhatsApp groups and Microsoft Notes where, you know, the discussions are recorded, easily transmitted to a number of other junior doctors and all. So, you know, there's a transparency that is built in, which is very good because you might argue saying that the communication channels are very good. But the same general purpose technology can lead to issues of data privacy because this is a data you're not supposed to be sharing through to a number of people. But at the same time, you also see performance dashboards and indicators being developed where the doctor is being assessed for multiple patients, what kind of dosage, what kind of, you know, decisions that are being taken. So you you see technology and the AI tools that are being developed, which could be general purpose, but also specific purpose, the kind of implications that today can have at different levels of workers. It's not just at one end of the spectrum. Thank you.
Ms. Maria Prieto Berhouet
Thank you, Uma. So moving towards what is being done, so I will turn to Juan. And on the basis of recent country experiences, Juan, could you tell us what should a modern employment policy include to ensure that digital transformation, AI transformation, supports productive employment, decent work, and an inclusive transformation?
Mr. Juan Chacaltana
Okay, thank you. Thank you, Maria and colleagues. Sorry, I wanted to do for a long time that. Sorry. One of the, you know, yes, in the ILO we are exploring, we are discussing a lot about the future. Future work and how to give a human -centered approach to it. and yes new technologies, AI are changing the world of work labor markets but one of the less explored questions is how they are transforming policy making as well so it's not only transforming jobs it's transforming how governments react and it makes sense if you think about it right, so because when there is a change like we are experiencing now so the typical approach to what do we do is usually to say to, especially to the young persons, is you have to prepare for the future right, so the burden is on your shoulder you prepare yourself so the future cannot be touched, it's going to be like that and you have to prepare so we, I think we need to react to that and the way to react to that is to explore how policy making can be changed so that is why we started a review of policy documentation on employment policy, and we published a document on that, the Digital Transformation of Employment Policies, where we reviewed 75 policy documents around the world. And the good news is that this transition has started. Many governments are increasingly using digital tools, including AI, for, you know, employment policies, although it is in a very early stage. And this touches many areas, like including modernizing public employment services, changing the content and delivery of skills, improving labor market information, using digital tools to connect workers and employers, supporting e -formalization, so touching the work quality part, and coordinating across labor, education, and technology ministries. So it is a whole government approach. that we are going to witness in the coming years or decades. So that's the first. Fully digital or fully transformed to start doing things. We found several governments that started in the early 2000s where their penetration of Internet was less than 10%, and they started doing things. So many countries started integrating digitalization in their employment policies, which means that this is a journey, and employment policies can be transformed even from the very beginning. So... So that is the first thing that I wanted to say. And just to remark that the future of work should not be something that we just adapt to. So we need to shape it. And the way to shape it is through policies. So that is the first idea that I wanted to
Ms. Maria Prieto Berhouet
Thank you, Juan. Indeed, we need to shape it to something that is okay for humanity, clearly. Thank you for that, Juan. Now I'm looking at Prachi. So going into an area of the ITU as well that the ILO also deals with, but could you tell us, as new technologies are creating new job opportunities and transforming existing roles, as was mentioned, including in platforms, and platforms is something, for those of you that do not know, we had conversations. The convention just passed a few weeks ago in the ILO, the Convention C193. on platform work that maybe I'll ask somebody to address. What new capacity building or skilling approaches are needed, as seen from the ITU?
Ms. Praachi Kumar
Thank you very much, Maria, and thank you all for being here today. Before I begin, I'd like to ask everybody here a question. Has anybody taken an e -learning course here? Show of hands, please. I think this is substantial. We all know that capacity development matters. It is very useful. I see someone has raised their hands online as well, so great. I manage something called the ITU Academy. I have some colleagues here also from the ITU Academy, and we cater to over 115 ,000 users, all of which are ICT professionals, most of which, 90%, are from developing countries. Now, I like to think that we're in a pretty interesting time right now because we're going through an epochal innovation with AI. And like my colleague, I'm going to ask you a question. mentioned that with these innovations comes a transformation in jobs, it reshapes tasks, it reshapes everything, but it also changes demand for skills. It changes the demands for a more highly educated, highly skilled workforce, right? And here at the IT Academy, we believe that any kind of lifelong learning, the fruits of lifelong learning specifically are the most valuable when they align to the needs of the user. And by that, I'm going to also refer to Juan's point here that we need to be more human -centric. That means that training needs to be more and more human in nature. What do I mean by human? Any guesses? How can we make training more human? More interactive, yes. Anything else? Maybe from my colleagues here? More human? Okay, so So with IT Academy, because we have so many users and courses, we collect a lot of data, logs, live data, and we try to understand that based on user demographics. By doing so, we can anticipate the needs of the users in a pretty coherent manner. And we collect data on user demographics, their topics of interest. So when we have all of that, we can kind of see where the trends are going. And in the last five years, can you imagine that the interest in AI has grown threefold? So it has really become an important part of the work that we do. And a fun fact is that for new users signing up, interest in AI among women has surpassed that of men. So not something that we hear about very often, given that technology and the gender nature of technology and all of that. But we also can look into the different dimensions of areas. So if you're looking at something like AI, we see that it has bled into every topic imaginable within our IT Academy. we take e -learning courses. So we see that even this AI concept has ended. Cyber security, satellite regulation, Internet of Things, blockchain, it is just about everywhere. So we need to be able to cater to the needs of the users in a consistent and in a coherent manner that makes sense for the user. But we also need to make sure that the ecosystem is responsive to those needs, right? So being able to ensure like yourself said that it needs to be interactive. Now, to be human -centered for any kind of learning, we need to ensure that it is based on learning principles that are on adult learning principles and solid instructional design. So you combine these two aspects of making sure the needs are met, responsive to the ecosystem, and to make sure that we are catering to the needs of the users in a way that they actually can use them, that they gain some tacit knowledge, some applied knowledge. So it has to be engaging, it has to be peer learning, case -based learning, and all of these different elements incorporated. Finally, it also depends on the ecosystem, right? So at IT Academy, we partner with quite a lot of our training centers at the academy as well as digital transformation centers to try and bring in the perspectives of the state of the art and the expertise to try and see how we can complement the needs of the users as well as that of the ecosystem. So I think those are the pproaches that we really should look into, Maria. Thank you so much.
Ms. Maria Prieto Berhouet
Thank you so much, Prachi. Prachi, moving back to you, Uma, much of the AI we use today is built actually on human labor that is in the global south. And this human labor faces a lot of precarious conditions and risks. So, Uma, how? How do we reconcile, from the one hand, the high -tech image of AI that we have? with the low wage reality of its foundational data work? And what concrete policy frameworks, and then going back a little bit to what Juan was mentioning of shaping, or industry standards are needed to ensure fair wages and mental health protection for this so-called invisible workforce that you are making visible now.
Ms. Uma Rani Amara
Thank you so much, Maria, for this question. Before I do answer the magic of AI, I would like people in the room to ask a simple question. How many of you know what kind of labor is involved in building AI? Okay. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. That's really a few. Okay, let me start that. I think it's really when you think of AI, when you look at large language learning models, or whether you look at medical diagnostic tools, or you look at autonomous cars, or when you look at the website, whether it's an Amazon or any other web, You're amazed and thrilled that, wow, AI can do so much. It's so autonomous. It runs in autonomous cars. It organizes everything so well onto a website. And you think it's the algorithm, right? But I think this magic that exists just doesn't happen just through AI per se. I think there are millions of humans behind the scenes. My colleague, Sher, mentioned about it briefly. There are millions of humans who are actually invisible and who are doing all of these tasks of labeling, categorizing, annotating for autonomous cars or annotating for large language learning models today. I'd like to provoke and say that probably we should not call it as AI and call it as human-in-the-loop intelligence because there's humans involved in every step of the digital supply chain of building an AI. So I think what's very important and fundamental within this entire discussion of AI is we talk about having AI regulations for deployment, but we do not really get into the discussion of AI, you know, what kind of regulation we need for AI development, the kind of humans that are engaged in it, the entire invisible labor, which actually works from a number of developing countries, that's very unknown. So if you were to think of an AI system, I really want you to keep in mind one thing, that it involves surely what is called as algorithmic workers, who are software programmers, data analysts, and data engineers, and all of that, but there are millions of data workers who are actually going about cleaning this data, because without the ground truth data that you have, you cannot really go about doing a good AI model. that can predict. So the reason why even today your chat GPT or cloud has a lot of hallucination is it cannot correct itself. And you still have a lot of humans going and moderating the content and ensuring that what goes on is really good so that it can give the kind of replies that are there. There's a new piece that is going to come out. And if you're interested, we can share it. Now, coming to the second question that you asked, Maria, about concrete policy frameworks or industry standards. One thing that I could think of looking at is I think both the ILO and the OECD has the M &E declaration. So, you know, we can think about the M &E declaration and see how that can be applied to the supply chain per se. But there are two other things I thought of. Can we think about having fair trade labor? As we see in agriculture. or conflict mineral disclosures that we see in the electronic sector within the AI supply chains, where we can say that if this particular part of the AI system was trained by workers in Kenya, you disclose that and say this part of the system was trained in Kenya, Philippines, India, Uganda, wherever. And you also have a disclosure saying what were the working conditions for many of these workers. And I think the recent bill that was passed by the California legislature actually tends towards that to see, you know, what can be done to ensure good conditions for the workers, not only with regard to wages and other benefits, but also with regard to the psychosocial stress that many of these workers face when they do cut in moderations. The other idea that I was having was about looking at a lot of tools that have come, come in within the medical diagnostics or the. automobile vehicles. And here, you know, you have transport regulators and food and drug administrators who are there. So can we think about some sort of a data provenance certification that could be developed to ensure that, you know, there is proper training for the workers who get into training these systems and ensuring that, you know, they have the kind of qualifications to do the work so that there is no liability or risk for the users of these AI systems, but at the same time ensuring decent working conditions for them. And finally, a note on the recent convention on the decent work in the platform economy. That convention actually handles one part of the issues of decent work. Workers were engaged on micro task platforms, and I think that's really good step forward for us.
Ms. Maria Prieto Berhouet
Thanks,Uma. In fact, I'm going to stay with you and go a little bit deeper into the populations that we're not seeing. And the question is, as AI reshapes the labor market, which specific populations are at the highest risk of being left behind or face deterioration of work quality and why?
Ms. Uma Rani Amara
Yeah, thanks a lot. I think I find some of the discussion on AI, especially when it comes to job losses and job case a bit misplaced because you have AI tools that are coming up and you have a number of job losses that are being at the moment announced by a number of companies around the world, especially the tech companies. I'm just wondering whether AI is a scapegoat and whether many of these job losses would have. Anyway, happened. And I think the. reports in the last week also come out very clearly saying that there's a rehiring that is happening because AI did not do the job that it was supposed to do. So I think there's a larger question there that we need to think about which groups are going to be affected and how and all of it. And as Shere mentioned, there are some risks for certain groups of workers, very clearly the youth, the women, old age workers, very clearly you see. But I think there the issue that one needs to think about is also we talk about young workers actually losing a lot of jobs. But I think as policymakers and those who are actually developing a lot of these tools, they also need to realize that for the young workers, you're also hollowing out the labor market because young workers get into these jobs and do a lot of low level tasks or entry level tasks. And they get a lot of training. As they are in and they try to build data. to become senior experts. Now, if you're not going to provide those opportunities, I think policymakers and we as a society need to think about how these workers can actually enter the labor market. Because if you say that, well, all of this can be done by AI, then where are the, you know, entry -level directions for many of these workers? The second set that I feel very strongly are women workers in certain sectors who will be affected. But there's a double whammy here, because you also have a lot of companies and a lot of institutions, including the UN, using a number of AI hiring tools, right? And these are biased. We do know that. And I think that's where the whole question becomes, saying that women not only lose the jobs, but they also have face discrimination bias as a result of it. And then you have old age workers who, again, through the same process, are going to be weeded off. So I think we need to really think about... how we can reduce much of this effect and how to think a bit more intelligently about how we hire workers and how whatever AI is going to be used, how it impacts them. There's a larger question that is coming up with regard to whether workers in the informal economy will suffer or not. And here I just want to say that, you know, I can think of a plumber. A plumber might not lose a job because of the AI. But a plumber might be guided suddenly by what should be the process of doing your task. So what they lose is the autonomy and the discretion in doing the task per se. And you are actually getting more and more attached to a software product by the end of the day. So, you know, where is your thinking process and where is your cognitive ability is a larger question that we need to also think about when we think of AI. Thank you so much.
Ms. Maria Prieto Berhouet
Thanks. In fact, that's a good path to the next question that I have to Juan, who is one of his areas of work is informality. So how are new technologies changing policy, policymaking in labor market, particularly in employment and formalization policies?
Mr. Juan Chacaltana
OK, thank you again, Maria. Yes, formalization and it's a topic in which DLO has been working for decades. And recently, like 10 years ago, we started discussing about e -formality or e -formalization, the use of e -government for this purpose. And we have a website. You can explore what we have accumulated there. We have case studies in many. continents and specific countries. And I wanted to share a couple of ideas on that. First, on the positive side, yes, governments are moving from, you know, queues, for example, you know, like the queue that I did today for getting my badge, two clicks, right? So we can do that now. So this is the positive part, simplify business registration, connect tax and social security systems, strengthening labor inspection, et cetera. And this increase even during the pandemic, you know, many countries accelerated this transition. So that is a case when technology is good to improve public services. Second idea. Is that there is a risk or a tendency. of governments using it for enforcement, basically. So it's not only that companies or platforms have information of people, governments do have information of people as well. So during the centenary declaration in 2019, we received the visit of the delegation of Estonia, and a colleague from Estonia showed us in his computer, he put his physical ID card in the slot and opened it, and then he says, oh, here I can see when I sold my card, when I sold. So he could see whatever information the government has on him. To me, that was very scary, right? So when governments started introducing these tools, AI, digital identity, entities, data sharing, as Uma has said, workers and employers need to be part of the conversation. So that is why social dialogue was in the ILO. We think the participation of workers and employers are necessary. So the way out of this is through social dialogue. Third, digital and AI is not a silver bullet for formalization. It's an enabler. So the other day I was interviewed by somebody who was exploring the possibility of using AI for formalization, and I said, yes, it can improve. Like, for example, AI can improve the work of a doctor, but you have to be a doctor, right? So if you are going to increase the work of people that work on formalization, you have to be a people that knows how this goes, right? And then we should not forget that. But for decades we have been working on the traditional drivers of formalization are, you know, increasing productivity, you have to have incentives, you have to have strong institutions, et cetera. You cannot. forget that those are the traditional ways of formalizing you can improve that and technology is not going to replace those drivers so for that reason it's not a silver bullet digital tool salons are not going to reduce informality they need to be combined with these other drivers so the idea is to use technology for formalization is you know to balance this whole idea of having enforcement but also incentives to give it a fair and inclusive and leaving no one behind.
Ms. Maria Prieto Berhouet
Thank you Juan, very interesting. Now we have a few minutes left for questions so answer them and I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to go ahead and to go into what the ILO and ITU does or how we are working on on these challenges. So just quickly, could you tell us a little bit what ITU does and then you can share with us some initiatives.
Ms. Praachi Kumar
Thank you so much again, Maria. So here at the ITU Academy, we work in the Capacity and Digital Skills Division. I'm going to quickly quote something that somebody said 20 years ago here at this business forum that the digital divide is not one divide. It is three divides. It's a gender digital divide. It is an infrastructural divide. And it is a skill divide 20 years ago, right? And today we're here talking about the same concept. It's mutating. It's turning into an AI skills divide. And these divides are only growing. Now the question arises, yes, capacity development is a relevant and essential way to empower. A lot of people towards developing digital skills. And then the question becomes whom? Whose digital skills? I mentioned the ITU Academy earlier, which caters to ICT professionals. But there's an entire other demographic that should be skilled, which is those who are marginalized, underrepresented. So with the ITU, we have a two -pronged approach, a multi -pronged approach rather, in which we look at the project called the Digital Transformation Centers Project, catering to exactly this, the underserved communities, those who are hard to reach. And great news, as of last week, this program has served 700 ,000 people. My colleague right here who works on this project, I see her there. Congratulations on this hard work. And we basically work on the basic and intermediate digital skills, right? So communication skills, working with e -services, with a lot of different partners. And then we have the ITU Academy, which is over 200 courses a year. We work with a lot. of different partners as well for that. And I see another colleague of mine who works with another partner, so we have initiatives with the GIGA initiative, we have partners with the EU, so working with all of these partners together creates these two different demographics that are served within our entire division within the ITU and digital skills. So the ethos behind what we do is partnerships, but it's also intention. And I think together we're doing quite a good job with catering to almost a million people with these two initiatives. So very quickly here.
Mr. Sher Verick
reat, thanks. Yeah, we're running out of time. His job is to shed light on implications for the world of work and not just on the headlines about unemployment but really going to the issues that have been discussed about job quality, workers' rights, what's happening in small businesses, etc. So research remains a key pillar of the GIGA initiative. of what the ILO does, and I encourage you to look at the ILO's Observatory on AI and Work in the Digital Economy to find out more about the latest things we're doing, including some of the numbers I referred to in the analysis. Secondly, you know, we also, of course, engage heavily in capacity building with our member states and constituents, particularly through and with the International Training Center of the ILO based in Turin. I mean, thirdly, you know, this issue of use cases that have been flagged. I mean, you know, this has become, of course, a really big area where there's a lot of interest in the adoption of AI tools for different areas within government, you know, in the delivery of public services. I mean, there I think there's, you know, a lot going on, but a real opportunity and a need to take stock of what's happening and also to reflect on some of those challenges that have been raised. Fourthly, there's, of course, a lot of partnerships going on. go through the whole list. I think, you know, one because I can see my skills colleague here, Juan Ivan, I would flag the DISCO initiative on digital skills. There are many others as well. But let me then stop on the fifth and most important one is on policy. We heard, you know, something about the convention that was recently adopted 193 on digital platform. You know, it's really important for us at the ILO and then with our member states to see how existing international labor standards apply, existing policies, national regulations, etc. At the same time, clearly there are gaps, right? So this is why we had this process. I mean, but many of the issues that have been raised do constitute, you know, new challenges for policy makers. So the issues around data, data privacy protection, issues around, you know, algorithmic transparency, accountability, bias, discrimination. So I think the first thing we should remember, you know, what is and What is in place in countries? You don't throw everything out to say existing policies on skills, employment policy as you heard, social protection, OSH. are not relevant. Indeed, they are relevant. The second, the real question is to ask, what's the gap? What's missing? And ultimately, as also highlighted, we need to look at the process of social dialogue, involvement of workers, employers in that process, but also to bring ministries of labour, Alton Nodal Ministry, together with ministries of technology. That's a key goal of ours, of how we bring the different parts of government together to talk about these issues, which is not always happening in a way that leads to these sort of comprehensive approaches. Thank you.
Ms. Maria Prieto Berhouet
Thanks so much, and well, that concludes our 45 -minute discussion for this huge area. You only got a taste of the work that is ongoing, of course, and if you have any questions, I don't know if we have time, I see in the back, maybe, if you have any questions, this is the time to put up your hand or to approach us after the break. the session. But let's, some of the takeaways from this session, of course, is the human -centered approach. Obviously, that was repeated over and over from the policy, from skills, etc. And the fact that we need to shape a future of work that we feel can be supported by these new technologies and not just follow the technology change without taking that into consideration. So, humans in the loop was also mentioned by Uma. This is something that has to be considered. The definition of people working in this industry or area has to be transparent and placed in reality. So unless there are any questions I see no questions we have ne question over there please push your little
Audience
I'm not 100 % aware of what ITU Academy is doing but as it relates to the new jobs that will be created by AI for example AI ethics officers or governance and so on I just came from a session where somebody was saying that in Africa none of this exists so there is a lot of innovation happening and a lot of AI being the buzzword and a lot of investment taking place but on the academic side and getting people ready for these necessary jobs to oversee AI to ensure that there is human in the loop there is no null infrastructure for that. There's no investment in that. So I don't know what the ITU Academy is doing, what the ILO is looking at, whether there are partnerships with some of these big AI companies to get that rolled out. Do ou have any kind of insights into this?
Ms. Praachi Kumar
Thank you. Happy to take this one. So when it comes to AI ethics and AI governance, it's a big topic. It's a mutating topic, naturally. And we recognize the value that it holds for many people, especially those in the global south. And one of the challenges that we see is accessing learning. So in the last month, we launched a self -paced AI governance course, which is translated into multiple languages and is free of cost for anybody to take on fundamentals of AI governance. That is a start. But the challenge is not just about whether these courses are available. It's about who takes them. It's about who takes them. And it's about who takes them. And it's about who takes them, who has the capacity to take them, who has the funding, time, et cetera, to take them, and the motivation to take them, which is why we need to try and see how we can to engage more and more people within this entire landscape. We also have a series of AI governance face -to -face funded courses that are targeted in different countries. We recently had one in Nairobi and one in Bosnia. So these courses are taking place really all over the world. It's about who's taking these courses, who recognizes the value of these learning opportunities. So for that, we're trying to find ways to create even more partnerships. As we speak right now, my colleagues at the ITU are in a partnership with UNESCO. They're inaugurating a partnership in the other event at the AI for Good to see how we can foster this in the future because there is demand. There is a need for this. So with these e -learning courses face -to -face as well as self -paced courses, many of which are free f cost, ITU is really pushing forward on this at least in our division. So thank you for this question. And if there's any follow -up, happy to take that also.
Mr. Sher Verick
Just quickly from an ILO perspective I just want to stress perhaps the way the ILO works we work with not only governments as our constituent but also trade unions, employee organisations and really look at their capacity and their responses to such issues as AI and looking at skills we're not so much saying okay you need an AI ethics officer, we're looking firstly what's the evidence tell us about the demands in the labour market so it's really about ensuring skilling leads to jobs so the question is what is happening if it's a country in Africa what are what are the demands and likely changes coming in the coming years. Secondly we work within the context of existing skills policy frameworks and governance systems to ensure that they're being adapted, modernised, made more flexible respond to those needs and so we're taking that, it's a longer term approach which is really not only about the short term trainings you can get, I mean we do have those through our training centre in Turin, you can participate.
Ms. Maria Prieto Berhouet
Thank you I have one question here in the front.
Audience
Very quickly would you be open to, because we have the traditional way of recruiting and creating jobs would you be ready to consider besides it another way digitally a digital way to provide more creation of jobs it's because you can have some besides some other ways of creating.
Mr. Sher Verick
Well this is very interesting of course, I think every country wants to create more jobs and the question is how to do it and what how to do it how that's embedded within policy processes and institutions so this may be linked to employment services or job intermediation And I mean, I think, you know, I would have to know more details to see how that would function. But, of course, countries are also, you know, and we work with governments as well to look at how to modernize those institutions in order to use technology as referred to in the process of recruitment, et cetera. I mean, creating jobs alone requires, of course, it's not just done through, you know, technology and services, it's about really about investment, about industrial policy and broader issues that we haven't really touched on. But Thank you. T
Ms. Maria Prieto Berhouet
hanks for the questions. And thank you so much for your participation. And speakers, please go. It's closed.

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