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Advancing Quantum Safe Transitions: Ethical, Legal, Social, and Policy Dimensions

6 speakers
Summary

This session focused on advancing quantum-safe transitions by examining the ethical, legal, social, and policy dimensions of quantum information and communications technologies, framing the shift not merely as a technical upgrade but as a broader socio-technical transformation . The discussion drew on a forthcoming ITU Kaleidoscope paper and aimed to contribute to a policy issue brief being developed jointly with UNESCO's Information for All programme and the ITU .

Xianhong Hu from UNESCO highlighted that quantum technologies are rapidly reshaping knowledge societies and that governance must be anticipatory, agile, inclusive, and human-rights-centred, drawing lessons from AI governance . She flagged two critical divides: a human capacity gap, with 43% of countries lacking quantum talent , and a significant gender imbalance, with fewer than 30% of the quantum workforce being female . She also stressed the need to mainstream quantum literacy alongside AI and digital literacy .

Gillian Makamara from the ITU emphasised that international standards, developed by consensus and with multi-stakeholder participation including governments, industry, and academia, are a key mechanism for closing the security divide between nations . She noted that the ITU is actively reviewing foundational Internet security standards, such as X.509, to address emerging quantum vulnerabilities .

Maikki Sipinen argued that the quantum-safe transition must be treated as an ecosystem-wide transformation rather than a purely technical migration, with urgent attention to questions of accountability, risk distribution, and who benefits . She drew parallels with AI governance, recommending that stakeholders learn from that experience while recognising remaining challenges such as unequal global south participation in standard-setting .

Tommaso Calarco outlined Europe's structured approach through initiatives such as the Quantum Act, which establishes three pillars - research, innovation, and strategic security - and extends cooperation beyond EU borders to countries including South Korea, Japan, and African nations . Audience contributions reinforced the need to bring decision-makers into governance discussions, warning that without their engagement, smaller nations risk vendor lock-in and loss of agency as quantum capabilities advance . The session concluded with broad consensus that quantum governance requires genuine multi-stakeholder participation and public quantum literacy to ensure the technology serves the public good .

Keypoints
  • Overall Purpose

  • The discussion aims to examine quantum-safe transitions not merely as a technical cryptographic challenge, but as a broad socio-technical transformation with ethical, legal, social, and policy dimensions. The session also seeks to contribute to a forthcoming UNESCO/ITU policy issue brief and to promote inclusive, multi-stakeholder governance of quantum technologies for the public good. ---
  • Major Discussion Points

  • The quantum divide poses significant risks, particularly around human capacity and gender inequality. Research from UNESCO's Quantum Moment report reveals that 43% of countries lack sufficient human talent to develop quantum technologies, making this the number one barrier to quantum development. Furthermore, women represent less than 30% of the quantum industry workforce, reflecting a deeply gendered divide that mirrors inequalities seen in other technology sectors. The ITU's Global Cybersecurity Index further highlights disparities between countries in cybersecurity readiness, which compounds the threat posed by quantum computing. - International standardisation is a critical but underappreciated tool for ensuring inclusive and secure quantum-safe transitions. The ITU is actively reviewing foundational standards such as X.509 - the basis of current Internet security - to identify vulnerabilities ahead of the quantum threat. Standards development at the ITU operates by consensus and incorporates governments, industry, and academia to ensure multi-stakeholder input. However, achieving genuine inclusivity in standards processes remains difficult, particularly regarding gender representation and participation from developing nations. - Quantum governance must adopt a multi-stakeholder, ecosystem-wide approach, drawing lessons from AI policy. Quantum-safe transitions must not be treated as purely technical migrations; they require simultaneous attention to infrastructure, institutions, standards, and values. Key governance questions - such as who decides timelines, who bears risk, and who is accountable - cannot be answered through technical frameworks alone. Lessons from AI governance suggest that quantum policy must proactively identify the unique qualities of the technology and bring all stakeholder communities together before governance falls behind deployment. - Decision-makers and non-technical actors must be brought into quantum governance conversations urgently, including through procurement policy. Audience contributions highlighted that the political, economic, and social will to deploy security standards is largely absent, and that most organisations deflect responsibility rather than act. A key mechanism for change is requiring "secure by design" principles - including post-quantum cryptography - in government and corporate procurement processes. Framing quantum risks in terms of national security and human agency, rather than technical complexity, was proposed as a way to engage decision-makers before "Q-Day" - the moment a quantum computer could decrypt currently harvested encrypted data - renders inaction catastrophic. - Europe's quantum strategy offers a model for multilateral, inclusive governance, though global cooperation faces geopolitical headwinds. The European Quantum Act is being structured around three pillars - research, innovation and industrialisation, and strategic security - developed jointly between the European Commission and member states. Europe's experience harmonising quantum policy across 27 sovereign states, including efforts to widen participation from less advanced member states and address gender bias, provides a foundation for broader international cooperation. However, it was acknowledged that the era of open multilateralism has stalled, and that international cooperation must now be built pragmatically on mutual interests, including outreach to neighbouring continents such as Africa. ---
  • Overall Tone

  • The overall tone of the discussion is constructive, collaborative, and earnest, with a clear sense of shared urgency. Speakers consistently framed quantum-safe transitions as a collective responsibility rather than a competitive or adversarial challenge. Early contributions from Xianhong Hu and Gillian Makamara were measured and informative, grounding the conversation in existing research and institutional frameworks. Maikki Sipinen and Tommaso Calarco introduced a more forward-looking and slightly cautionary tone, warning against repeating the governance mistakes made with AI and acknowledging geopolitical complications. The audience Q&A introduced a more pressing, even frustrated register, with Wouter Natus pointedly noting the absence of political and economic will to act. This was met with renewed optimism from Xianhong Hu and Tommaso Calarco, who emphasised citizen empowerment and the structural commitments embedded in the Quantum Act. Overall, the tone remained respectful and solution-oriented throughout, though it grew progressively more urgent as the session moved from institutional overviews to practical governance challenges.
Speakers Overview
XH
Xianhong Hu
130 wpm · 7 min
SA
Shamira Ahmed
128 wpm · 10 min
TC
Tommaso Calarco
164 wpm · 8 min
GM
Gillian Makamara
182 wpm · 4 min
A
Audience
162 wpm · 7 min
MS
Maikki Sipinen
132 wpm · 6 min

Expanded Summary: Advancing Quantum-Safe Transitions — Ethical, Legal, Social, and Policy Dimensions

Session Overview and Objectives

The session, held during AI Digital Week in Geneva as part of the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) forum, brought together representatives from UNESCO, the ITU, the private sector, and academia to examine quantum-safe transitions through an ethical, legal, social, and policy lens. Shamira Ahmed, from the Data Economy Policy Hub, opened by framing the session's core premise: that quantum-safe migration should be understood not merely as a technical cryptographic upgrade, but as "a broader socio-technical infrastructure transformation that aims to redistribute trust, responsibility, and risk across institutions, markets, and communities." The discussion was informed by an ITU Kaleidoscope paper entitled An Innovation Ecosystem Ethics Approach for Quantum Safe Transitions, whose conference proceedings were already publicly available at the time of the session.

The session carried two explicit objectives. The first was to present and discuss the research findings of the Kaleidoscope paper. The second was to contribute to the development of a forthcoming policy issue brief being produced jointly by UNESCO's Information for All Programme and the ITU. Ahmed described the overarching mission as promoting information for all while supporting ITU's efforts to foster international cooperation, trusted standards, and inclusive digital transformation through quantum technologies — summarised under the banner of "quantum for good." Speakers included Xianhong Hu from UNESCO's Information for All Programme, Gillian Makamara from the ITU, Maikki Sipinen from Verde, and Professor Tommaso Calarco from the University of Cologne and chair of the Quantum Flagship, who joined online.

UNESCO's Perspective: Human Rights, Anticipatory Governance, and the Quantum Divide

Xianhong Hu situated the discussion within the broader context of the third decade of WSIS, noting that the international community is now grappling not only with the Internet and digital technologies but with a wave of emerging technologies — including AI, quantum, and neuroscience — that are "mushrooming so fast and profoundly impacting the concept and the approach of building knowledge societies." She emphasised that UNESCO's mandate, including its Information for All Programme, is built on the principle of building inclusive futures, and that the Global Digital Compact similarly calls for inclusive digital development.

Hu highlighted two key UNESCO resources relevant to the session. The first was a policy brief co-authored with Shamira Ahmed, previously published, which advocated for human rights-centred governance of quantum technology. She described the brief's approach as deliberately balanced — "neither utopianist nor dystopianist" — recognising that quantum technologies could enhance communication, access to information, and human rights, while also posing significant risks to privacy and encryption. The brief argued that governance must be anticipatory, drawing lessons from AI: "we should really think about this governance issue before the technology is mainstreamed and being applied widely." It also called for governance that is agile, inclusive, and human rights-sensitive.

The second resource Hu referenced was UNESCO's Quantum Moment global report, a comprehensive compilation of more than 100 pages drawing on research, outcomes, and surveys from the whole year-long celebration of the International Year of Quantum in 2025. One of its most significant findings was that the quantum divide is already in place, with the human capacity gap identified as the most pressing barrier: 43% of countries lack sufficient human talent to develop quantum technologies. Hu argued that this necessitates a major expansion of quantum education and capacity building, extending well beyond students and researchers to cover professionals and individuals at all levels. She called explicitly for quantum literacy to be mainstreamed "from now on", noting that it is "so much underdeveloped unlike AI literacy, digital literacy." She also flagged a significant gender imbalance, with fewer than 30% of the quantum industry workforce being female — a divide she described as "nothing new" but nonetheless deeply concerning. Hu further noted that UNESCO has a programme specifically designed to enhance policymakers' capacity to understand new technologies, underscoring the importance of equipping decision-makers — not only citizens — with the tools to engage meaningfully with quantum governance.

ITU's Perspective: Standards as a Mechanism for Closing the Security Divide

Gillian Makamara, introducing herself as "primarily a technical person" and an engineer, acknowledged upfront that "it's very hard to incorporate the ethical dimensions" into engineering, though she noted that more is now being done to address this. Building directly on Hu's concept of the quantum divide, Makamara extended the framework to include a security dimension alongside the human capacity dimension. She referenced the ITU's Global Cybersecurity Index, which is published annually and reveals stark disparities between countries in how they are implementing cybersecurity frameworks. Her assessment was blunt: adding the quantum threat to this already unequal landscape "doesn't look good."

Makamara argued that international standards represent one of the most important mechanisms for closing this gap. She noted that standards "don't make headlines, but they really support our systems today", citing the ITU's X.509 standard as the concrete foundation of all current Internet security. In response to the emerging quantum threat, the ITU is actively reviewing this standard to identify vulnerabilities and gaps, with the aim of ensuring that Internet security infrastructure is as robust as possible before the quantum threat materialises. She used a house-building analogy to explain the philosophy behind standards development: standards should serve as a flexible foundation — determining the structure — while leaving room for customisation in terms of specific implementation, so that they remain applicable across diverse economies and contexts.

On the question of inclusivity in standards development, Makamara described the ITU's consensus-based process, which incorporates governments, industry, and academia to create a genuine multi-stakeholder environment. She acknowledged, however, that demographic diversity and gender representation in standards processes remain significant gaps that she could encourage but not mandate. She called on member delegations to include people from different parts of the world and to improve gender distribution in their participation.

Private Sector and AI Governance Lessons: An Ecosystem-Wide Approach

Maikki Sipinen, bringing an industry perspective and a background in AI policy, presented what she described as the core argument of the Kaleidoscope paper: "we should not let the quantum safe transition stay purely a technical conversation." She argued that an ecosystem-wide transformation approach is needed — one that addresses infrastructure, institutions, standards, and values simultaneously rather than sequentially. The danger of treating the transition as a purely technical migration, she warned, is that it fails to answer the most important governance questions: "who gets to decide on the timelines, who bears the risk of quantum, who benefits and who is then accountable if something goes wrong."

Sipinen drew extensively on the trajectory of AI governance as a cautionary and instructive parallel. She noted that AI governance "started as a technical conversation" and only gradually came to be recognised as encompassing fundamental governance questions about whose values are embedded, who bears risk, and who is at the table. She argued that quantum policy should build on these lessons rather than repeat the same slow evolution. However, she was careful to note that AI governance remains incomplete, with persistent challenges including "unequal participation from the global south in standard setting on AI" and the fact that "AI capacity is on global scale to great extent owned and controlled by only a handful of companies." These failures, she argued, must be actively avoided in quantum governance.

Sipinen also introduced a forward-looking argument about the convergence of AI and quantum technologies. She suggested that governance frameworks should increasingly address both together rather than treating them as entirely separate domains, predicting that "in let's say five years we will have a more solid one joint discussion on AI and quantum not separate topics of different sessions." She emphasised that understanding the unique qualities of quantum as an emerging technology is foundational — and that this understanding must be built not just within the technical community but by bringing all stakeholder communities together. It is also worth noting that Patrick Bell, co-author of the Kaleidoscope paper alongside Sipinen and Shamira Ahmed, was physically present in the building during the session and subsequently contributed from the floor.

Europe's Quantum Strategy: Multilateralism, Inclusivity, and the Quantum Act

Professor Tommaso Calarco, from the University of Cologne and chair of the Quantum Flagship, offered a detailed account of Europe's structured approach to quantum governance. He began by noting that Europe's internal experience of harmonising quantum policy across 27 sovereign member states is itself an exercise in multilateralism, providing "the training to go towards overcoming these obstacles and being able to establish cooperation across and beyond the borders of our own countries." He acknowledged that Europe is not a monolith — member states vary significantly in their levels of investment and advancement in quantum technologies — and that the EU has developed "widening participation" programmes to ensure that less advanced member states can participate in European research and innovation excellence. He also acknowledged that gender bias is "unfortunately very strong" in the quantum field and that European policy measures are in place to address this.

Calarco described the forthcoming Quantum Act as representing the first time the European Commission is giving itself a structured and clear policy for international quantum cooperation. He outlined three pillars that have been recommended to and taken up by the Commission: research and science; innovation and industrialisation; and strategic security and protection, which includes standardisation. He emphasised that this framework will be developed jointly between the Commission and member states and will not be treated as a matter of optional participation.

On international cooperation beyond European borders, Calarco cited the Euro HPC joint undertaking for high-performance computing as an example of an initiative in which non-EU countries — including the UK, South Korea, and Japan — are involved in discussions and in some of these initiatives. He also pointed to growing initiatives towards cooperation with Africa and other neighbouring continents. However, he was candid about the geopolitical constraints on such cooperation, acknowledging that "the era of multilateral cooperation and globalization in the positive sense kind of has come to a halt" in what he described as the current "multi-polar world disorder." He argued that international cooperation must therefore be built pragmatically on mutual interests rather than on naive assumptions about globalisation.

Audience Discussion and Panel Responses

The audience discussion significantly enriched the session by introducing concrete structural and political economy arguments that had been implicit but not yet fully articulated by the panel. Wouter Natus from the BORF, coordinator of an IGF dynamic coalition on the implementation of Internet standards, drew on his coalition's study of the social, economic, and political effects of post-quantum cryptography to make a pointed intervention. He argued that the failure to deploy existing Internet security standards — such as DNS security and RPKI — is not a technical problem but a political, economic, and social one: "the topic is not technical. This topic is about political, economic, social, security will to deploy standards." He observed that "everybody leaves the room as soon as the word Internet standard or post-quantum cryptography is mentioned," and identified two structural barriers: the absence of a level playing field (where investing in security creates a competitive disadvantage relative to non-investing competitors) and the absence of economic incentives because "nobody procures secure by design, almost nobody." His proposed solution was for governments and large organisations to mandate secure-by-design requirements — including post-quantum cryptography — in their ICT procurement processes.

Patrick Bell, co-author of the Kaleidoscope paper, built on Natus's intervention by introducing a structured analytical framework from security studies: the three-layer information environment model comprising the physical layer (hardware), the informational layer (data flows and algorithms), and the cognitive or decisional layer (governments and large corporations as strategic decision-makers). He argued that "almost all the discussion" on quantum stays at the technical layer and "very rarely does it go up to the cognitive or decisional layer." He warned that smaller nations without dedicated quantum budgets "essentially accept whatever the vendor gives them", creating long-term vendor lock-in and path dependence. His proposed remedy was to tell decision-makers directly: "unless you're in the room, things are going to be decided for you" — and that participation does not require a PhD in quantum information systems. He also introduced the concept of "Q-Day" — the moment when a fully operational quantum computer could decrypt currently harvested encrypted data — as a concrete and communicable risk narrative for engaging non-technical decision-makers.

A further audience question from Muganatha from DIMAYA raised the "harvest now, decrypt later" threat — the practice of organisations collecting encrypted data now with the intention of decrypting it once quantum computers become operational. The question was raised but the session moved on without a direct response from the panel, though it reinforced the urgency of the quantum-safe transition and aligned with Bell's Q-Day framing.

Xianhong Hu responded to the broader audience discussion by reaffirming the importance of multi-stakeholder governance and quantum literacy. She acknowledged the challenge that quantum is "very abstract physical concept and theory" and that discussions are sometimes gatekept by demands for technical expertise. She argued against this, asserting that "if technology is going to be so revolutionary... every citizen has a right to know." She emphasised that quantum literacy must extend to government officials and policymakers who need to take decisions about quantum technologies in their procurement, regulation, and policy work.

Tommaso Calarco went further, making a strong democratic empowerment argument: "every citizen has a right to say what they want, to be empowered, to determine the direction of future developments." He drew an explicit analogy with voting — one does not need a PhD to participate in democratic governance — and argued that "it is of paramount importance to get the decision makers not only in the room, but also ready to listen to what society wants." He directly endorsed the Kaleidoscope paper's framing of the problem as an ecosystem governance issue rather than a purely technical or cybersecurity issue, and confirmed that the Quantum Act's three-pillar structure — research, innovation and industrialisation, and strategic security and protection — reflects exactly this integrated ecosystem approach.

Conclusions and Unresolved Challenges

The session concluded with broad consensus across all speakers and audience participants on several foundational principles: that quantum-safe transitions are socio-technical governance challenges requiring genuine multi-stakeholder engagement; that the quantum divide is real, multidimensional, and already in place; that quantum literacy must be mainstreamed across all levels of society; that AI governance offers useful but imperfect lessons; and that international standards, while critical, must be complemented by political will, economic incentives, and inclusive processes.

Nevertheless, the session also surfaced important unresolved tensions. A productive tension existed between Makamara's standards-centred approach and Natus's argument that the real barrier is the absence of political and economic will to deploy standards that already exist. A further tension existed between the aspirational calls for broad citizen empowerment and quantum literacy and the empirical reality that 43% of countries lack even the basic human talent to develop quantum capabilities, and that even professional decision-makers are rarely engaged in quantum governance discussions. The question of how to ensure equitable participation from the Global South — given that similar challenges remain unresolved in AI governance — was raised but not concretely resolved. Similarly, how to build genuine multilateral cooperation in the current multi-polar world disorder, and how to address the immediate "harvest now, decrypt later" threat, were identified as urgent priorities without clear resolution within the session.

The session's two concrete outputs — the publicly available ITU Kaleidoscope paper and the forthcoming UNESCO-ITU policy issue brief — were presented as vehicles through which the community could continue to contribute to these unresolved questions, with participants encouraged to engage with both processes.

Shamira Ahmed
with Time Constraints. Thank you for joining us in this afternoon session on Advancing Quantum Safe Transitions, Ethical, Legal, Social, and Policy Dimensions. So the discussion will be informed by emerging research presented in the forthcoming ITU Kaleidoscope paper, An Innovation Ecosystem Ethics Approach for Quantum Safe Transitions, happening at the same time during this AI Digital Week in Geneva. So the conference proceedings are already available. You can check on the ITU Kaleidoscope website on the details of the paper. So our paper mainly examines quantum safe migration, not merely as a technical cryptographic upgrade, but as a broader socio -technical infrastructure transformation that aims to redistribute trust, responsibility, and risk across institutions, markets, and communities. A second objective of our session is to contribute to the development of a forthcoming policy issue brief. Thank you. that will be created in conjunction with UNESCO's Information for All program and the ITU. Our mission is to promote information for all while supporting ITU's efforts to foster international cooperation, trusted standards, and inclusive digital transformation through quantum technologies, digital infrastructure, standardization, and overall achieve quantum for good. So those are the two objectives, and we look forward to the community contributing to these two processes. And before I start with our session, I'd like to introduce our collaborators and speakers in the process. We have Ms. Xianhong Hu online. She is from UNESCO Information for All program. We have Ms. Gillian Makamara from the ITU, Ms. Maikki Sipinen from Verde, and Ms. Professor Tommaso Calarco from the University of Cologne He will join us a bit later online And I'm Shamira Ahmed from the Data Economy Policy Hub So let's get into the questions Zhang Hong, you're part of the UNESCO Information for All Program And the UNESCO IFRA program has long championed information ethics, human rights Universal access to information and inclusive knowledge societies That's your main mandate And as quantum information and communications technologies continue to evolve Can you explain what role these principles that have been part of UNESCO IFRA program's mandate Should play in shaping inclusive global governance frameworks For quantum information and communications technologies And ultimately quantum safe transitions and digital transformation
Xianhong Hu
Thank you, Shamira, for giving the floor. Also, a very warm greeting to all the participants in the room and online. I know it's lunchtime for many of us, but really appreciate the strong interest in this important subject. By answering your important question, if you allow me, I'd like to just share a couple of slides of the work of UNESCO so you can have a more vivid picture about why UNESCO is interested and why it is so important. So basically, we are at the third decade of WSIS. So by the way, Shamir, you can see my slide, right?
Shamira Ahmed
Yes, we can see your slide perfectly.
Xianhong Hu
Okay. Okay, thank you. Yeah, this year we are at the third decade of the WSIS. We have heard so much resonance. We had discussions on exploring emerging issues and frontier technologies, as well as their social and policy implications, I mean, among many other sessions. We are living in the wave of fourth industrial revolution. I mean, not only Internet and the digital, although WSIS was started to tackle the challenges of ICT Internet, but in the past decade, we've seen the AI, quantum, neuroscience technologies, to name a few, are mushrooming so fast and profoundly impacting the concept and the approach of building knowledge societies and also building inclusive futures, which are at the center of UNESCO mandate. Not only my program, Information for All, but the entire mandate of UNESCO is built on this. Plus, I mean, the latest global mandate and response of global digital compact, which is the global digital compact, which is the global digital compact, calling for building inclusive digital futures. That's why tackling this emerging technology is so crucial on this occasion also. using WSIS to discuss not just the Internet, but really a broad range of the emerging technologies. That's why I like to sincerely thank Shamira for taking this initiative to triggering the crucial discussion on quantum at WSIS. I think we had started this conversation from two years ago at WSIS. Maybe at the time we were the only one session about quantum. But now you can see there are already quite a number of discussions about this subject. It is receiving more and more attention on this. On this quantum, I mean, also new subject for UNESCO, we had published an issue brief, a policy brief co -authored by Shamira last year to advocate for the human rights -centered governance of quantum technology. Because what is needed for us... from our point of view is to give a balanced approach neither utopianist or dystopianist I mean on one hand we do this policy brief do recognize that quantum could enhance tremendously the communication access information, free expression, human rights but on the other hand we certainly need to mitigate the risks on the privacy, on the encryption and to ensure this safe transition which is actually the core topic of today's session. That's why in this policy brief we had highlighted the importance of the global governance of quantum to be anticipatory meaning we do draw a lesson from AI and we should really think about this governance issue before the technology is mainstreamed and being applied widely but we conducted research before that to predict to anticipate the risks to come. And also the government has to be agile, to be inclusive, and also to be human rights sensitive and centered. So I won't go into details because you can all download it and have a read. It's only 16 pages. And another important resource also to answer your question, also to give other participants a broader view about quantum, it is a recent global report UNESCO has published on the quantum. It's called the Quantum Moment. It's more than 100 pages. Basically, it's a comprehensive compilation of the reports, outcomes, survey from the whole year -long celebration of the International Year of Quantum in 2025. That's why it contains a very broad point of view. One, I mean, maybe one of the important important The result from this research I'd like to share for today's discussion is about the quantum divide is already in place. And one of the most important divides is on the human capacity gap. I mean, there's a survey there. You can see that basically 43 % of the country are a lack of the human talents. And that's become a number one issue for them to develop the quantum. And related to this, that we need to enhance the education of quantum, capacity building of quantum, but not only. I mean, in the schools, but it should really go beyond the students and researchers and cover professionals and individuals. And the quantum literacy should also be put on the table. It's so much under. developed unlike AI literacy, digital literacy, quantum literacy should also be mainstreamed from now on. And one more gap I'd like to briefly signal is about gender. It's nothing new. Again, we perceive that the quantum divide is so much gender bias. There are less than 30 % of workforce female in the quantum industry. So that's basically two major resources and some key issues I'd like to flag as a thoughtful thought for today. And I stop here and look forward to more discussion with you all. Over to you, Shamira.
Shamira Ahmed
Thank you, Xianghong, for summarizing the work we've been doing so far. And my next question is for Gillian. Gillian, you have been involved in the ITU's Quantum for Good project. mainly with interoperable standards, which will definitely play a critical role in determining how quantum information communications technologies are deployed globally. So based on the work that you've been doing, how can we ensure that international standardization processes ensure that quantum safe transitions are not only secure and interoperable from a technical angle, but also inclusive of countries that have low resources and infrastructure, mainly developing countries, and also are agile enough to anticipate and adopt diversity stakeholder
Gillian Makamara
Thank you. Hello, can you hear me?
Shamira Ahmed
Yes.
Gillian Makamara
Okay. Thank you very much for the very difficult question, Shamira. There's no easy answer to this one because there's a lot of dimensions. So the first dimension is I am primarily a technical person. I am an engineer. And typically in engineering, it's very hard to incorporate the ethical dimensions. I believe that there's more being done now to incorporate that in the studies. So I had some time to think about this question and just building on what Xiang Hong just mentioned about the quantum divide. So there is the human and the people aspect to it. But in technology, we often think about three dimensions, the people, the processes, and then the technology itself. So if the people are part of the quantum divide, according to what Xiang Hong has said, we need to also look into the processes that are supporting the technology itself. And then also how far the technology is going and what it can actually do. So in this context, on top of the capability gap in terms of human capacity, we also have a gap when it comes to the security dimension. So I like to think of the quantum divide in those two ways, both from the human perspective, but then also the security divide in itself. The ITU publishes a global cybersecurity index annually. And from this, we can really see the disparities between different, different countries in how they're implementing cybersecurity frameworks and methodologies. what the gaps are and what still needs to be done to bolster and improve the cybersecurity posture. So already we do have this divide, right? So now let's add the quantum threat into the mix. It doesn't look good. One of the ways that we can support or try as much as possible to close this gap is through standards. They are not very interesting for most people if you're not involved into it. They don't make headlines, but they really support our systems today. So the Internet today, for instance, is secured by an ITU standard, the X509 standard. That's the concrete foundation of all Internet security today. Now, what are we doing considering that the quantum threat is coming? The ITU is taking that standard, reviewing it, and trying to identify what vulnerabilities and gaps there exist. on that standard so that by the time we have this quantum threat coming in, we are at least confident that the Internet that we rely on today is as secure as we can hope for it to be. Is this easy? No. And how do we do this? You talk about inclusivity, and this is a key aspect because to make sure that a standard is global and usable by all economies, all people across the world, we need to consider diverse voices. And this is something quite key that we do at the ITU. So during our standardization process, we do it by consensus. So no voting, but there has to be consensus. But then we also take into account the different stakeholders. So governments are part of the process. The industry is part of the process and academia as well to make sure that we provide a multi -stakeholder environment for standards development and we make sure that it's applicable across the board. One other factor that we try to do to ensure that we have a diverse voice is that we have a diverse voice. We have a diverse voice and we have a diverse voice. So one of the things that we try to do to ensure that there's inclusivity into it is standards are supposed to be a guide, a foundation. If you're building a house, you build a foundation. And then on top of that foundation, you decide how high you want your walls, you know, what kind of windows you would like, just to use a simple analogy. And that's what standards do. They're not supposed to be so specific that they fit into a very, very specific domain without room for customization or, you know, inclusivity of other factors that were not considered at that point. So the standards that we develop try as much as possible to be in line with these principles. And like I said, it's not an easy question because it does involve people, right? So in terms of who comes in terms of demographics and diversity of participation, that's not something I can comment on. What I can do, though, is to really encourage the members that come on board to build these standards, to try as much as possible to include people in their delegations from different parts of the world, and also to ensure that we have a good gender distribution. That's something that we are really missing in the standards process. I hope, Sharmira, this gives you
Shamira Ahmed
Thank you Thank you Gillian for summarizing the complex issues and navigating the question in a concise, consumable way for the audience and my next question is for Maikki, you're with Vreda and the private sector, many of the governance challenges we're now confronting are really in quantum information and communications technologies are actually comparable to what a lot of the discussions we've been having today at this Digital Geneva Week focusing on AI, including questions of trust, accountability, standards, market concentration in international development cooperation and most of them unfortunately emerged after the technology has already been deployed and developed in a really advanced way and often we have this discussion where there's often a narrative that regulations are behind the development so looking at our proposed work, our paper that we developed on an innovation ecosystem ethics approach for quantum safe transitions What should you suggest stakeholders do differently this time to avoid repeating mistakes from other emerging digital technologies, specifically AI?
Maikki Sipinen
Thank you, Shamira. Now it's perfect. Thanks, everyone. So, indeed, I'm from Virga, so I bring an industry view. But also I come from a slightly different angle to this discussion on quantum because most of my own background is in AI policy side. So, indeed, together with Shamira and Patrick, who is also here in the building and perhaps soon in this room as well, we wrote this panel. We wrote this report called AI Innovation Ecosystem Ethics Approach for Quantum -Safe Transitions. And I believe it's now available online if you are interested. And I'm looking forward to reading more details and our thinking. But really the core argument and the result of our work in drafting the paper was that we should not let the quantum safe transition stay purely a technical conversation. Really an ecosystem -wide transformation approach is needed. These questions touch the infrastructure, institutions, standards, values, and they should all be addressed simultaneously and not just one dimension, one angle after another. And the danger is that if we treat this transition as a technical migration question only from a technical point of view, it doesn't really get us answers or doesn't get us close to all those. Perhaps most important questions such as who gets to decide on the timelines, who bears the risk of quantum. who benefits and who is then accountable if something goes wrong a long time after we make those decisions today. So this definitely needs to be a multi -stakeholder discussion and process. That's the only way that we can successfully cover this ethical, legal, social, political dimensions all at the same time and taking each one of them seriously. And here I think AI policy, our experiences from working with AI in the past 10 years and more, has something to offer because, of course, AI governance is a bit further along in this governance and regulation discussion than quantum policy so far. And AI policy has gone through a similar type of arch to get where it's today. So, of course, on the AI side, too, it started. There's a technical conversation. And little by little, it got more clear that many of those important questions are actually governance questions, not just technical ones. So we really need to cover who's at the table and whose values get embedded and who bears any potential risk now or in the future. So there should be an ecosystem between different stakeholder groups. But similarly, there should be an ecosystem approach that connects different emerging technologies, such as quantum and AI, so that we can learn from the governance approaches and different dialogues and testing regulatory approaches, perhaps, that were already carried out for AI. And we should approach now the quantum challenges so that we can build on those lessons learned. And this is, of course, not to say that everything has been figured out and everything is ready. There remain big questions, such as the unequal participation from the global south in standard setting on AI. or that the AI capacity is on global scale to great extent owned and controlled by only a handful of companies. So there remains a lot of important work and big challenges on the AI side too. But one specific thing I'd like to bring up and one learning from the past eight years would be that when we regulate and govern these new technologies, it would be the most important thing to take time to understand what is the uniqueness, what is the quality in this new technology that actually makes it an emerging technology. And this is the whole why we are all here and why all this governance of new technologies is such an important topic. We are not having a global dialogue and a global governance with everything new that comes along, only for technologies that are drastically different from the previous ones. and it's important to take time not just in the technical community but bringing all the communities together to really understand those unique qualities of AI and now of quantum because those are the reasons why we need new ways of working together and new structures and new approaches to governance and that's the foundation that has to be built by all stakeholder groups so that these discussions on taking governance to a more concrete level can successfully happen. And finally to close, it's also important to remember that these technologies are not completely separate from another. AI and quantum are not two separate technologies completely but the discussion will probably also move more towards the convergence on AI and quantum and what those can do together. So perhaps if we come back to this room and this conference in let's say five years we will have a more solid one joint discussion on AI and quantum not separate topics of different sessions
Shamira Ahmed
Thanks Maikki and we have another speaker, Tommaso, is he online? Tommaso are you with us?
Tommaso Calarco
Yes, yes I am
Shamira Ahmed
We can't see you on the screen Okay, so we're happy that you could join us and Tommaso is the professor at the University of Cologne and chair of the quantum flagship and Tommaso based on your work, Europe is making unprecedented investments in quantum information communications technology infrastructure and also on the governance aspects through many initiatives such as the quantum Europe strategy the impending quantum act Euro HPC, CHIPS Act, and Iris Squared, for example, while their infrastructure and governance initiatives working concurrently, what governance safeguards are being embedded within these initiatives to ensure that Europe's leadership promotes not only innovation and competitiveness within Europe, but because Europe has a big internationalization of its digital economy strategy, and specifically for multilateral cooperation, interoperability, trust, access, and digital rights and equitable participation by countries beyond Europe, what type of initiatives are being developed at this stage? Can you tell us more about that?
Tommaso Calarco
Absolutely. So, first of all, thank you for having me here and thank you for running this very important workshop on this very important topic. So, first of all, when we speak about international dimension, of course, in European jargon, international means extra-European, but we should not forget that Europe is composed of 27 sovereign member states. And so, already, the fact that we are coming together with a unified strategy at European level is already sort of inherently a dimension of multilateralism and international cooperation beyond the borders of individual countries. Why am I saying that? Because, of course, this might seem trivial, but, of course, you know, harmonizing what it takes in terms of standards, for instance, and in terms of access to infrastructure and so on, all the topics that you have addressed, is really something which you can, you know, presents obstacles and non-trivial aspects even within the European Union. What does it mean? It means that, indeed, within the Union, we already have, by construction, the training to go towards overcoming these obstacles and being able to establish cooperation across and beyond the borders of our own countries. And also, this has also a specific element in terms of, again, first we stay inter-European and then we discuss the broader context, also in terms of inclusivity. Because we know that Europe is not a monolith. Europe is very diverse with different levels of investment and different levels of advancement in the different fields of quantum technology. so what happens for instance also it's a more general issue at the level of the european union we have what have been known for for a while as widening countries in the sense of widening participation to european excellence and to the research programs and research innovation programs as we as we are focusing on on on science and technology so it means that already we have you know a habit if you wish you know and a lot of best practices to make sure that this inclusivity in geographic terms and also by the way you know tangentially if you wish for the scope of what we are discussing today but importantly in a broader view of the ethical dimension of science and technology also inclusivity on the gender bias element which is of course unfortunately very strong in our field So it means that already within Europe, we are working with a very strong international component. We are working with a very strong approach to inclusivity and, you know, progress, common progress together. And in fact, when we speak about European values, we are saying sometimes, I mean, it sounds like an empty formula, but in fact, when we speak about this, it really means that, you know, we have policy measures in place to ensure that, you know, everybody is profiting from that. Of course, it leads to, you know, slowness. Very often, the European Union is accused of moving slower than some of the other countries outside of Europe. And that is partially true in some cases. And that is partially true in some cases. And it has some deep reasons, including in the financial market for what concerns investment. But still, it means that we can move on all together in a way which takes already by construction into account this aspect. And now it comes, you know, based on this best practice, so to say, it comes to the elements that you have raised in the sense that we want, of course, to structure international cooperation in the standard sense now, so outside the European borders in a way which is compatible with that. And in fact, with the quantum act, it is the first time that the European Commission is going to give itself a structured and very clear policy with very clear initiatives for, you know, reaching out and cooperating at international level, which, you know, is until now not really happened on the field of quantum technologies. One example, you have been mentioning Euro HPC, which is a joint undertaking for high performance computing, which currently quantum activities are. Incorporated, but in the future, of course. This will evolve into something, you know, broader in which quantum will really be one self-standing part of the whole undertaking. I mean, here is a situation in which it is not only member states of the European Union, but several other countries near, such as, you know, the UK, for instance, but also far, such as South Korea and Japan. They are involved in the discussion on international cooperation and in some of these initiatives. So really, you know, here is the approach is to go beyond the borders to expand towards multilateral cooperation. Of course, not in a naive way, because we must acknowledge and we acknowledge, sadly, that the era of multilateral cooperation and globalization in the positive sense kind of has come to a halt. And in what I call the current multi-polar world disorder. And in this, we have to build progressives. We have to build progressives based on, you know, mutual interests. and there is of course also a strong attention of the European Union towards you know neighboring continents one example is one of Africa in which there are a series of initiatives which could also be strengthened and we intend to strengthen in the in view of this broader international cooperation, which involves all the dimensions that we have discussed. And the good news is, in Europe, we are already used to that, because this is a foundation for us, and now we want to go systematically towards this, and so this opens excellent opportunities for developments, which will be inclusive, really, on a much broader scale, hopefully even global.
Shamira Ahmed
Thank you, Tommaso. I think a lot of people have been having a lot of questions about the Quantum Act and the initiatives that are taking place. Thank you for summarizing my question. So we have some time for audience questions. Please go ahead.
Audience
Thank you, Shanira. My name is Wouter Natus from the BORF. I'm the coordinator of an IGF dynamic coalition on implementation of Internet standards, and one of our working groups on emerging technologies has done a study. last year in the social, economic, and political effects of post -quantum cryptography. And I think it is tremendously important to separate two things here. The one is the development of quantum computing, which are poured billions and billions and billions into with little successes over time, which may emerge into one big success. And what happens to the world when that computer is switched on? The other discussion is to protect ourselves from that first computer. And that is something Miss Hu talked about, but also about standards. If you look at the implementation of Internet standards, that second generation Internet standards that would make us all more secure and safer, like DNS security or RPKI or whatever they're called, they're seen as a technical discussion. And quite often everybody leaves the room as soon as the word Internet standard or post -quantum cryptography is mentioned. Also... Most people leave the room because it's technical. What I've learned in the past few years of coordinating this dynamic coalition is that the topic is not technical. This topic is about political, economic, social, security will to deploy standards. And then we have to see that that will is not present a lot. So, in other words, we need totally different people in the room if we want to protect ourselves from the first quantum computer. And how are we going to convince these people of two things? The first is that they order people within their company to take the measures they need to take within that company. But the second is why are large organizations and governments not as a standard? Demanding in their procurement processes of ICT that they're secure by design. and that would include very soon post -quantum cryptography. If we don't do that, then two things happen and then I'll stop. The first thing, if you ask people what is the reason you're not deploying these standards, you get a myriad of answers and usually they blame somebody else. But if you look at a higher level, there are two things. The lack of level playing field. So if I invest, it means I earn less money and my competitor does not anything and he earns more. So it's a negative incentive. And the other one is that there's no economic incentive to deploy because they're not asked for. Nobody procures secure by design, almost nobody. In other words, if we get those people in the room, that's the moment things will change. And if we don't, then probably we'll be discussing we haven't lost everything when that first computer comes on. And we're not able to protect ourselves from that. So how are we going to get the people in the room? That's a very long story for a
Shamira Ahmed
Thanks for highlighting your experience and contributing to the discussion. I'll take a few more questions before we answer. Any other questions? Okay. Yes, Patrick?
Audience
Hello. I'm Patrick Bell. I'm actually a co -author with Mikey and Shamira on a paper we just presented at the Kaleidoscope that to some extent talks about that, talks about creating a framework. And we presented this framework which seeks to better operationalize where the risk actually lies depending on the policy question. And what we've done is we've looked at the environmental, social, legal, and policy implications and combined that with something from security studies. This is. What my area is called the information environment. and in the information environment they have three basically they have three layers they have the physical layer they have the informational layer and the cognitive or decisional layer and the informational and the physical layer we're actually dealing with the hardware when it's a quantum computer or the quantum secure network those kind of things then you have the informational layer where you only have the data flows then you also obviously have you have the algorithms and then to to your point it's the cognitive decisional layer where you've got governments and you know large corporations and they're basically strategic basic level decision makers almost all the discussion that i've seen so far basically goes to the technical layer like you said a whole bunch of other people leave the room sometimes it goes up to the informational layer when you talk about specific algorithms very rarely does it go up to the cognitive or decisional layer so when you actually have somebody and that's technical expertise but can explain it you in a way to the decision makers and then you include them in the discussion and tell them this concerns you. This is not just an IT problem. This is a national security problem, but more importantly, this is a human problem. And in particular, if you have a very small nation, unlike the United States of America, that does not have a whole bunch of money to dedicate to just quantum, they just essentially accept whatever the vendor gives them. And we have this concept called vendor lock -in, which is part of this concept of path dependence. So I think one of the ways we get people in the room is you tell decision makers, unless you're in the room, things are going to be decided for you. And then later on, you're just going to basically have to go along with it. So you're going to lose any type of agency that you're going to have in terms of your decision making if you're not in the room. And it doesn't mean you need a Ph .D. in quantum information systems in order to be able to stand this. And I've heard a couple of times already, and this will be also the answer, part of your question is, I've heard many times now already the concept of Q -Day. And Q -Day is the day in which you get a fully operational quantum computer that can actually decrypt the data that we're kind of like it's being harvested right now. So if you present this to a decision maker and tell them specifically what the risks are and how they're involved and what they can do about
Shamira Ahmed
Thank you. Yes. Please go ahead and introduce yourself and comment or question. Mike?
Audience
My name is Muganatha from DIMAYA. Actually, just as a follow -on question for you, my understanding is that there's a lot of organizations that are actually simply collecting encrypted data at this point so that they can be later decrypted. So would someone like to comment on that point and issue?
Shamira Ahmed
Okay. My speaker is, does anyone want to contribute? This is an interactive workshop. So if anyone feels. Strongly to contribute or any of my speakers want to say something. Maybe I'll just very quickly comment on the first gentleman and also maybe a couple I think one consensus we can have here is that quantum as much as AI, internet, it needs multi -stakeholder governance meaning that it's not just technical issue it's influencing society that's why we need all be on board to discuss how this technology should be harnessed for the public good maybe one challenge for quantum is because quantum is very abstract physical concept and theory I've been to many other quantum discussions and someone would say are you having a PhD in physics? If not maybe you just shut up but I disagree, I think that if technology is going to be so revolutionary if it's going to change the entire computing and change the communication, sensor, everything being applied to medical, to medicine, to science. I think every citizen has a right to know. And I think the literacy of quantum is crucial. That's why I mentioned that not on a level of citizen, because like individuals, users, users need to know what algorithm of AI are being monitoring, what are we coping with. But also government and also policymakers. That's why UNESCO has a program to enhance the policymakers' capacity to understand new technology, to unpack what it means for their daily work. I mean, for example, in their daily, because they need to take decisions about those technologies on their procurement, on their regulations, on the policies. So I think quantum should also be integral to our capacity. And I think that's why I mentioned that. this digital transformation, this quantum transformation to be safe in an anticipatory manner. I just stop here. I saw another speaker already using his hand, Tommaso.
Tommaso Calarco
Yes, Tommaso, please go ahead. Yes, so I also wanted to react. Well, just bringing something which, you know, was just said, yes, every citizen has a right to know, but I would go beyond that. I would say every citizen has a right to, you know, say what they want, to be empowered, to determine the direction of future developments. And it must not, I mean, to go to vote, you don't have to have a PhD. So it really is about what society wants. You know, who of us knows in detail how a cell phone works, okay? Okay. Okay. Okay. So AI work. but society wants to be able to say which direction this should take in the future. So this is a very important aspect for which the discussions, as was said by the first person who asked a question, I mean, it's not about, you know, technical and boring, and it is of paramount importance to get the decision makers not only in the room, but also ready to listen to what society wants. So how are we doing that? Well, the paper, and here I come to what the, because I was also given preparation for this meeting, the paper that was mentioned by the second person who asked a question, you know, rightly, in my opinion, frames the problem not as a technical issue, a cyber security aspect, but as an ecosystem governance aspect. And in the quantum act, what we have been recommending to the European Commission, and they have taken it up, you know, there are three aspects of ecosystem. One is, of course, the research, the science part. Another one is the innovation and industrialization. And the other aspect is strategic security and protection. which includes standardization for the reasons that you have said. And so here is really we are creating one. This is going to be one of the three pillars of the Quantum Act. And this is something which is developed together with member states. So it is not going to be an option. Are you interested in being on board? But at least at European level, by construction, we will work between the Commission and the member states to address these things. So it's already on the agenda. There will be policy measures going in that direction. And this is the way the contribution that we are trying to give at European level to really go in that
Shamira Ahmed
Thank you so much for your interventions and the participation. Unfortunately, we're out of time. And there's another session coming into the venue. But if you have any questions from us, please meet us in the session. Our details are also online in our session. And thank you so much for your participation. Thank you.

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