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From Fragmentation to Coherence: The Role of the International Law Association in Global AI Governance

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Summary

This discussion brought together members of the International Law Association's (ILA) Committee on AI and Technology Law to examine how international legal frameworks can help move global AI governance from fragmentation towards greater coherence . The session was chaired by John Truby, who serves as chair of the ILA Committee and UNESCO Chair on AI Law and Sustainability at the National University of Singapore .

Professor Annalisa Chiampi opened by observing that AI represents a universal revolution affecting everyone, either through its direct impacts or by leaving certain populations behind . She noted a positive trend of states and international organisations converging in multilateral forums around shared values such as safety, trustworthiness, and sustainability . However, she cautioned that despite broad agreement on a human rights-based approach to AI, a comprehensive mapping of how AI interacts with specific human rights remains absent, and operationalising that framework is still unclear .

Jimena Sofia Viveros Alvarez stressed the urgency of moving beyond fragmented, voluntary commitments toward universally binding norms, given that AI's risks are multiplying rapidly . She highlighted the dual-use and general-purpose nature of AI as a reason why civilian and military governance cannot be treated separately , and called for clear 'red lines' on unacceptable uses - particularly autonomous weapons and life-or-death decisions in healthcare and the judiciary - anchored explicitly in existing international law .

Zoltán Turbék surveyed the crowded regulatory landscape, noting that instruments range from binding regional treaties such as the Council of Europe Framework Convention on Artificial Intelligence to soft-law UNESCO Recommendation on the Ethics of Artificial Intelligence and national legislation, yet these often contain overlapping or conflicting definitions . He argued that the ILA's distinctive contribution lies in providing clarity - mapping gaps, identifying convergences and divergences, and strengthening what he termed 'legal literacy' in this emerging field .

Across the Q&A, panellists agreed that the current diversity of instruments is a normal feature of a young legal field still finding its shape , that sovereignty is evolving rather than disappearing in the face of borderless technology , and that meaningful progress will ultimately depend on implementation, case law, and ratification of existing instruments rather than the creation of yet more frameworks . The discussion concluded with a shared call for inclusive, multistakeholder engagement to ensure AI governance becomes coherent, equitable, and practically useful .

Keypoints
  • Overall Purpose

  • The discussion was convened at the WSIS Forum 2026 in Geneva to present the work of the International Law Association (ILA) Committee on AI and Technology Law, and to explore how international legal frameworks can help move global AI governance from a fragmented, inconsistent landscape towards a more coherent, inclusive, and binding set of norms and principles.
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  • Major Discussion Points

  • The fragmented state of global AI governance and the urgent need for coherence. Multiple speakers highlighted that while there are many AI governance initiatives across regional, national, and thematic levels, these frequently overlap, contradict one another, or use the same terminology with different meanings. The pace of AI development far outstrips traditional norm-making processes, making urgent, coordinated action necessary. Zoltán Turbék noted that the legal toolbox already contains a wide variety of instruments - from the EU AI Act to UNESCO Recommendation on the Ethics of Artificial Intelligence to UN resolutions - yet states and companies remain confused on which to apply and how. - The role and structure of the ILA Committee on AI and Technology Law. The committee was established to bring clarity and coherence to AI governance from an international law perspective, drawing on 35 members from 30 countries across disciplines including human rights, sustainability, and comparative law. It is organised around five subcommittees covering global norms, human rights, accountability, sectoral frameworks, and sustainable AI, with practical outputs including comparative analysis, guidance, and model laws. The committee positions itself as a legal observatory offering both scholarly and practical contributions. - The relationship between AI and human rights, and the challenge of operationalising a human rights-based approach. Professor Annalisa Chiampi argued that whilst there is broad agreement on applying a human rights-based framework to AI, there is no comprehensive mapping of how AI interacts with specific rights, nor clarity on how to operationalise that framework in practice. She emphasised that the subcommittee aims to produce such a mapping and to raise awareness, particularly among end users, as well as to foster critical thinking across the AI lifecycle. - The need for binding red lines, especially on life-and-death decisions. Jimena Sofia Viveros Alvarez argued strongly that voluntary commitments by industry are insufficient and that clear, universally binding red lines must be established - particularly around decisions involving life and death, such as autonomous weapons, healthcare, and the judiciary. She cited growing momentum from the UN Secretary-General, the ICRC, and interfaith dialogue (including the Rome Call for AI Ethics) as evidence of converging moral and political will, and proposed procurement requirements as a practical enforcement mechanism. - The tension between regulatory diversity and the need for clarity, and the value of experimentation. Turbék acknowledged that the current proliferation of instruments is a natural feature of an emerging field of law finding its shape, rather than a sign of failure. However, he stressed that the ILA can add value by identifying gaps, convergences, and conflicts across existing frameworks, and by fostering what he termed "legal literacy" around AI governance. Speakers agreed that implementation - through ratification, case law, and practical application - will ultimately clarify which approaches work. ---
  • Overall Tone

  • The overall tone of the discussion was constructive and cautiously optimistic, though with moments of frank concern. The opening remarks by John Truby and Annalisa Chiampi were measured and collegial, framing the ILA committee's work as a positive and necessary contribution to an urgent global challenge. Chiampi offered a notably hopeful observation about the return of multilateral cooperation around AI after a period of fragmentation driven by the pandemic and geopolitical tensions. The tone shifted to a more urgent during Jimena Viveros Alvarez's remarks, where she highlighted the crisis in international law, the inadequacy of voluntary industry commitments, and the dangers of regulatory delay given the accelerating pace of AI development.
  • Turbék's contribution restored a more measured, analytical tone, acknowledging complexity and uncertainty whilst encouraging patience with the natural evolution of a young legal field.
  • During the Q&A, the tone remained engaged and intellectually honest, with speakers openly admitting uncertainty and the experimental nature of current governance efforts. The closing remarks were warm and forward-looking, emphasising collaboration and the importance of inclusive participation.
Speakers Overview
JT
John Truby
139 wpm · 8 min
AC
Annalisa Chiampi
137 wpm · 8 min
JS
Jimena Sofia Viveros Alvarez
144 wpm · 10 min
ZT
Zoltán Turbék
172 wpm · 9 min
S2
Speaker 2
135 wpm · 4 min
S3
Speaker 3
142 wpm · 1 min
P
Paulo
162 wpm · 36 s
K
Kenneth
150 wpm · 47 s
J
John
153 wpm · 2 min
LG
Lars Gustafsson
188 wpm · 34 s

From Fragmentation to Coherence: The Role of the International Law Association in Global AI Governance

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Session Overview, Context, and the ILA Committee

This session, entitled "From Fragmentation to Coherence: The Role of the International Law Association in Global AI Governance", was convened at the WSIS Forum 2026 - the World Summit on the Information Society Forum - hosted by the International Telecommunication Union in Geneva . It was organised by the ILA's Committee on AI and Technology Law and brought together international legal experts to examine how international legal frameworks can help move global AI governance from a fragmented, inconsistent landscape towards a more coherent, inclusive, and binding set of norms and principles . The session was chaired by John Truby, who serves as both chair of the ILA Committee on AI and Technology Law and UNESCO Chair on AI Law and Sustainability at the Centre for International Law, National University of Singapore .

Truby opened by expressing gratitude to the ITU and the Swiss Confederation for hosting the event, noting that WSIS is a particularly fitting setting given that its process has long connected information technologies with development, inclusion, trust, security, and international cooperation - concerns that AI now sits at the centre of . He described the ILA Committee as having been established to examine AI governance questions from the perspective of international law, drawing together 35 members from across 30 countries with expertise spanning public international law, human rights, technology regulation, peace and security, sustainability, comparative law, private international law, and sectoral governance . The committee's work is organised around five main subcommittees covering global norms and governance, AI and human rights, accountability and cross-border governance, sectoral legal frameworks, and sustainable and ethical AI development, with outputs including comparative analysis, guidance, shared principles, and, where appropriate, model laws or legal toolkits . Truby explicitly invited more people to join the subcommittees by contacting their national branch, welcoming nominees from a wide range of countries .

Truby situated the committee's work within a broader institutional context, noting that the Centre for International Law at the National University of Singapore conducts research and convenes expert dialogues on AI governance, with a strong Asia-focused and Global South orientation connecting legal scholarship with the practical needs of policymakers, courts, international organisations, and regional institutions . The UNESCO Chair on AI Law and Sustainability supports this work by advancing research and international cooperation on the governance of AI, with a particular focus on how AI can be governed in ways that support sustainability and the Sustainable Development Goals .

The session's central questions, as framed by Truby, were how international legal thinking can help connect different AI governance initiatives, how the ILA committee can contribute through comparative analysis, principles, guidance, and model laws, and how AI governance can become more coherent, inclusive, and useful for those who implement it . These questions set the intellectual agenda for the three speakers who followed.

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Professor Annalisa Chiampi: AI as a Universal Revolution and the Human Rights Gap

Professor Annalisa Chiampi, Professor of International Law and legal and human rights expert at the Permanent Mission of Italy in Geneva, opened with a foundational observation: AI is a revolution that affects everybody, everything, everywhere . Crucially, she extended this claim beyond direct users, arguing that even those who appear unaffected are in fact impacted through exclusion, marginalisation, or abandonment . This framing - that exclusion from AI is itself a form of impact - broadened the scope of the discussion to encompass the full range of populations, including those in the Global South and other marginalised communities.

Chiampi described the ILA Committee as one of many responses to this universal revolution, comprising independent experts serving in a personal capacity, drawn from all regions of the world, with gender balance and a substantive component of young scholars and practitioners . She characterised the committee's ambition - noting that the committee had not formally agreed on this term - as bringing clarity and coherence to the chaos created by the proliferation of responses to the AI revolution, offering a legal observatory and guidelines that are both theoretical and practical .

Before addressing her specific subcommittee's work, Chiampi shared two broader observations drawn from her experience as a committee member. The first was notably positive: she observed a significant multilateral trend, with states, international organisations, and many other stakeholders coming together in forums including UNESCO, UNICEF, ILO, ITU, and the UN more broadly . She contextualised this within a longer arc of international relations, noting that state sovereignty had evolved from co-existence to cooperation over the course of the twentieth century, before a recent setback driven by the COVID-19 pandemic, the Russia-Ukraine war, and the emergence of new technologies, which had produced a retreat towards strategic autonomy and technological sovereignty . AI, she argued, is acting as a game-changer by reversing this trend and bringing states and stakeholders back together . She further noted that across these multilateral forums, voices are converging around shared values - safety, trustworthiness, and sustainability - with no dissenting voices arguing against this direction .

Her second observation was more critical and specific to her subcommittee's mandate on AI and human rights. Despite broad agreement on applying a human rights-based framework to AI, Chiampi identified a significant gap: while all human rights can potentially be enhanced or harmed by AI, and while certain rights such as privacy and environmental rights are clearly affected across all sectors, there is no comprehensive mapping of these interactions and no clarity on how to operationalise the agreed human rights-based approach in practice . The subcommittee's aim is to produce such a comprehensive mapping and to raise awareness particularly among end users, whom Chiampi identified as the most natural addressees of the committee's work, as well as to foster critical thinking across the AI lifecycle from design to development and deployment .

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Jimena Sofia Viveros Alvarez: Urgency, Red Lines, and the Limits of Voluntary Commitments

Jimena Sofia Viveros Alvarez, Managing Director and CEO of Equilibrium AI and former member of the UN Secretary-General's High-Level Advisory Body on AI, opened by acknowledging the shared legal identity of the panel - as lawyers, their orientation is towards norms - before immediately contextualising this within a frank admission that international law is currently experiencing a crisis, with norms being renegotiated or violated with impunity . This candid observation set a more urgent and critical tone than Chiampi's opening remarks.

Viveros Alvarez argued that AI is the most disruptive technology humanity has seen, and that its accelerated pace of development - duplicating in capability every few months - means that traditional norm-setting processes are simply too slow . The harms and risks are being multiplied at the same pace and scale, making it impossible to afford the luxury of waiting for traditional institutions to coordinate timely responses . This urgency underpinned her consistent call for multi-stakeholder governance that is international, universal, and binding .

She described the current governance landscape as characterised by over a decade of fragmented approaches - regional, national, and thematic - that are valuable in setting precedents and building upon each other, but that also contain overlaps and contradictions . Her prescription was clear: these must be combined into a single cohesive multilateral binding universal approach . She also challenged the tendency to segregate civilian and military AI governance, arguing that AI is inherently dual-use, general-purpose, and repurposable by nature, making such separation artificial and counterproductive . Given the blurring of armed conflict, peace, and law enforcement contexts - illustrated by examples including the use of AI in military operations and in the capture of political figures - integrated governance frameworks are essential .

The most concrete element of Viveros Alvarez's contribution was her argument for establishing clear red lines on unacceptable AI uses, particularly where algorithms make life-and-death decisions . She specifically referenced a speech delivered by the UN Secretary-General the previous day, which she described as "great" and "wonderful", in which he explicitly called for universal binding red lines, mentioning autonomous weapons, healthcare, the judiciary, and law enforcement . She cited growing momentum from the International Committee of the Red Cross and interfaith dialogue - including the Rome Call for AI Ethics, the first document signed by all major world religions on any topic - as further evidence of converging moral and political will around a minimum floor of unacceptable uses . She also noted that both the late Pope Francis and Pope Leo, in his Encyclica, had provided moral leadership in calling for such red lines . Autonomous weapons were identified as the clearest case, but she extended the argument to healthcare, the judiciary, and law enforcement .

Critically, Viveros Alvarez argued that many of these red lines can already be anchored in existing international law, which is technology-neutral and simply needs to be made specific and transparent . She questioned why this is not being done, implicitly challenging the assumption that new legal instruments are the primary need. As a concrete illustration, she cited Anthropic's internal policy on mass surveillance, questioning why such a commitment would protect only US citizens rather than everyone, and arguing that mass surveillance is unacceptable everywhere and can and should be anchored in existing international law . She also highlighted the inadequacy of voluntary industry commitments more broadly, noting that corporate policies backtrack, change, or never translate into practice, and called for binding oversight, accountability mechanisms, and procurement requirements as practical enforcement tools . She further argued that sovereignty-based restrictions on AI protections - such as limiting safeguards to citizens of one country - are both impractical and unjust, reinforcing the case for universally binding norms that protect everyone regardless of nationality .

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Zoltán Turbék: Mapping the Regulatory Landscape and the ILA's Added Value

Zoltán Turbék, Fellow at the Geneva Centre for Security Policy and former diplomat and UN staff member, offered a more analytical and measured contribution, surveying the existing regulatory landscape and identifying where the ILA can provide distinctive added value. He opened by observing the proliferation of self-proclaimed AI experts - noting that, as on LinkedIn, everyone appears to be an AI expert after one week of training - and the tendency of institutions to "jump on the AI train" so as not to miss it, while arguing that serious, sustained work must continue once the initial excitement settles . He then noted that the question is no longer whether AI needs regulation - claims that regulation kills innovation are false, as confirmed by the UN Secretary-General, the new AI scientific panel, and Pope Leo - but rather how, by whom, and in what form .

Turbék catalogued the wide range of existing instruments: binding regional treaties such as the Council of Europe Framework Convention on AI [referred to in the transcript as the "cancer-free API treaty", likely a transcription artefact]; soft-law instruments such as UNESCO recommendations; UN General Assembly resolutions; technical standards from IEC and ISO; the EU AI Act; the entire body of international human rights law; the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights; and national laws, policies, and even city-level documents . He noted that this diversity is accompanied by a tension between the rigidity of law and the need for flexibility given rapid technological change .

Rather than treating this proliferation as a crisis, Turbék offered a counterintuitive reframing: in his personal view, the diversity of instruments is entirely normal and is simply a sign of a young field of law trying to find its shape, drawing a parallel with the development of environmental law . He argued that through implementation - when courts begin to apply these instruments, when case law emerges, and when practical problems arise - the field will clarify what works and what does not .

Nevertheless, Turbék was clear that the fragmented landscape creates real problems. He identified overlapping and conflicting norms, inconsistent definitions, and confusion among states and other actors about which instruments to apply and how . He also raised a substantive point about definitional confusion regarding what type of AI is actually being regulated - whether generative AI, agentic AI, predictive AI, or high-risk and low-risk systems - and noted uncertainty about whether related infrastructure such as data centres falls within the scope of existing frameworks . As a further concrete illustration, he noted that the principle of "fairness" carries fundamentally different meanings in UNESCO's framework compared to the Council of Europe's, and that the National University of Singapore had recently published research demonstrating how difficult it is to understand what is meant by certain principles even when the language appears the same . He also highlighted the proliferation of overlapping impact assessment tools - including the Council of Europe's impact assessment tool [referred to in the transcript as "Hood Area" or the "Human Rights, Democracy of Low-Flow Impact Assessment Tool", likely a transcription of HUDERIA], UNESCO's Ethical Impact Assessment, the EU's Fundamental Rights Impact Assessment, and the OHCHR's due diligence procedure - all aiming to support implementation but in entirely different ways, leaving states confused about what to apply .

Turbék identified the ILA's distinctive contribution as fostering understanding of this emerging field of law, identifying gaps where no rules exist, mapping convergences and divergences, and clarifying whether conflicts exist among existing obligations . He described this as strengthening not AI literacy, but what he termed "legal literacy" in the field - a form of analytical clarity that can support states, companies, and other actors in navigating the complex governance landscape .

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Questions and Discussion

The Q&A session, though brief, raised several substantive issues. Lars Gustafsson of the Swedish Post and Telecom Authority questioned why AI governance frameworks such as the EU AI Act are structured primarily around risk categories, asking why AI is treated as uniquely dangerous compared to other technologies . Turbék responded that the focus on risks reflects genuine fear driven by the speed and scale of AI developments, while also cautioning that risk categories must be critically re-examined - noting that the EU AI Act's entry into force has been postponed, suggesting it may not be as practical as intended, and questioning whether the concept of human oversight is workable in all circumstances, particularly given that agentic AI is designed to operate without human intervention . Viveros Alvarez acknowledged that catastrophic and existential risk tiers clearly merit differentiated regulation, but emphasised that the session is framed around AI for good and that opportunities must be recognised alongside risks .

An online participant raised the question of whether the biggest governance challenge today is no longer the absence of rules but the absence of coordination amongst existing institutions . This question crystallised a central tension in the discussion, and the moderator added a further dimension by suggesting that the fragmentation may be a structural feature - a "feature and not a bug" - with real decisions being made in the background regardless of new organisations being added . Kenneth from Uganda raised the question of whether governments and international bodies have sufficient power to regulate big technology companies, or whether they are merely reactive to industry positions, and also suggested that sector-specific AI regulation may be necessary in areas such as intellectual property and deepfakes . He further suggested that image rights might warrant recognition as a new form of intellectual property right, particularly in the context of deepfakes . Paulo from the Graduate Institute questioned whether sovereignty is changing substantively in the context of AI, and what new rights and obligations might arise for states in relation to a technology that is inherently global and borderless .

In their closing responses, Turbék reiterated that geography and sovereignty remain relevant but are evolving beyond their purely physical dimension , and acknowledged the need to rethink risk categories critically . Viveros Alvarez reinforced that safeguards and protections need to be universal and not limited by nationality, and that risks should not be outsourced extraterritorially .

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Closing Remarks and Forward Look

In his closing remarks, Truby acknowledged the enormous challenge facing the committee, observing that the first meeting of the AI dialogue was taking place that very week and that in two years' time, when the dialogue concludes, no one knows where AI will be . He noted that we are, in a sense, experimenting at the moment, and that no one yet knows what will work well - which is also why so many different types of instruments are being developed simultaneously . He framed the committee's work as addressing both the risks - which continue to rise as AI capabilities accelerate - and the opportunities for achieving sustainable development goals through AI . He encouraged participants to follow the committee's work through its website and LinkedIn presence, and to engage with the publications and webinars produced by the ILA Committee, the UNESCO Chair, and the National University of Singapore Centre for International Law .

Turbék offered a final reflection that captured the session's overall spirit: none of the existing instruments are perfect because they are always the result of compromise, but what matters more is what will happen during implementation . He expressed confidence that the building blocks of AI governance will crystallise over time, and encouraged patience with a field that is still developing - while also calling for a focus on implementation and ratification of existing instruments . This measured optimism, balanced against the urgency expressed by Viveros Alvarez and the analytical rigour brought by all three speakers, reflected the session's broader conclusion: that moving from fragmentation to coherence in global AI governance is both necessary and achievable, but will require sustained, inclusive, and practically grounded international legal work .

John Truby
Plexpo, and we're really delighted to welcome you and for all the people joining online. And I'll mention in a moment about the Q &A online. It's a real pleasure to welcome you to this session, From Fragmentation to Coherence, the role of the International Law Association in Global AI Governance, which is organized by the ILA's Committee on AI and Technology Law. So I'm John Truby. I serve as the chair of the ILA Committee on AI and Technology Law and also the UNESCO chair on AI Law and Sustainability at the Center for International Law, National University of Singapore. Everyone in Geneva has a lot of titles, and that's mine. So let me begin by thanking the ITU for hosting us at the WSIS Forum 2026, the World Summit on the Information Society Forum. I'm really grateful also to the Swiss Confederation, and to the Forum organizers for bringing together the governments, the international organizations, academia, and the technical communities and industry for this discussion on digital cooperation. WSIS is an especially fitting setting for today's institution. Its process has long connected information technologies with development, inclusion, trust, security and international cooperation. And the AI now sits at the centre of these concerns. The ILA Committee on AI and Technology Law was established last year to examine certain questions from the perspective of international law. It brings together so far 35 members from across 30 countries with expertise in public international law, human rights, technology regulation, peace and security, sustainability, comparative law, private international law and sectoral governance. And the committee's work is organised around five main subcommittees and work streams. And we'll be presenting these next month in Vienna at the ILA biannual conference. And the five subcommittees focus upon global norms, governance and comparative regulation, AI and human rights, accountability and cross -border governance, AI and sectoral legal frameworks, and sustainable and ethical AI development. And we invite more people to join these subcommittees if that's an area of interest. You can contact your national branch and become nominated. We have nominees from a whole range of countries, but we are open to more. So across these areas, the committee looks beyond individual harms such as bias, privacy violations or liability gaps and examines how AI systems produces knowledge. It informs decisions, distributes risk and influences legal norms. And the committee's work is really practical. As well as scholarly, it seeks to support the clarification and progressive development of international law. through comparative analysis and through guidance and shared principles and, where appropriate, model laws or legal toolkits. We have an ambitious agenda which we'll be presenting there and we're summarising today. At the Centre for International Law at the National University of Singapore, our AI and technology law programme works closely with these debates. The programme conducts research and convenes expert dialogues and AI governance. We invite you to follow us on LinkedIn especially because we have a lot of events on there and we have some in person in Singapore. It connects experts on international law, sustainability, regulation and whole other areas. It's got a strong Asia -focused and global south orientation connecting legal scholarship with the practical needs of policymakers and courts and international organisations and regional institutions. So the UNESCO Chair on AI Law and Sustainability at the Centre for International Law supports this work by advancing research and international cooperation on the governance of AI. The chair focuses on how AI can be governed in ways that support sustainability, which includes, as you know, a whole range of areas connected with the SDGs. And it connects our academic work with live policy discussions at the international and regional levels. So these issues are really central for our session today. We will ask how international legal thinking can help connect different AI governance initiatives and how the ILA committee can contribute to comparative analysis, principles, guidance and model laws, and how AI governance can become more coherent, inclusive and useful for those who implement it. So I'm really delighted to introduce our distinguished speakers. We have a few of our guests who are joining us today from the ILA committee on AI and technology and this will be in order of our speakers, we have Professor Annalisa Chiampi a Professor of International Law and currently serves as legal and human rights expert at the Permanent Mission of Italy in Geneva and she's held important roles within the UN and the Council of Europe including as UN Special Rapporteur on the Rights to Freedom of Peaceful Assembly and Association and in the ILA she leads the sub -committee on AI and Human Rights next we have Ms. Jumbina Sofia Viveras Alvarez who's the Managing Director and CEO of Equilibrium AI in Mexico she's an international lawyer with expertise in AI governance, digital diplomacy, peace and security and global south perspectives and she's served as a member of the UN Secretary General's high level advisory body on AI and is co -lead for peace and security and she's a member of the UN Security Council She's currently based in Amsterdam. She also serves as deputy leader of the ILA committee's Global Norms, Governance and Comparative Regulations subcommittee. And finally, we have Mr. Zoltan Terbek, who I can't thank enough for helping coordinate and put this event together. And he is a fellow at the Geneva Center for Security Policy, and he's an independent expert on AI governance and regulation. He's a former diplomat and a former UN staff member. He contributed to the Council of Europe's work on AI and to the negotiations around UNESCO's recommendations on the ethics of AI. He serves as deputy leader of the ILA's Committee on Global Norms, Governance and Comparative Regulations subcommittee. So in terms of format, because we don't have so long today, each speaker will introduce their opening remarks. And after those three speakers have spoken, we'll open the floor to questions. So there may be questions from the room. And we have a chat on Zoom, and I'm going to try and monitor and see which questions are coming up. So with that, let me once again thank ITU and the forum organizers for hosting this session and thank all of you for joining us. I now invite Professor Annalisa Chiampe to begin.
Annalisa Chiampi
Thank you, John. Good afternoon and thank you for your interest to all, both online and here in the room. I'll start with a very general and very basic premise, which is AI is a revolution, which affects everybody, everything, everywhere. If you can think of something or someone, somewhere that is not affected, then that is not correct because it's still going to be affected because maybe it's left out, it's left behind, it's in somehow prejudice. So we have a global, total, universal revolution. And we have various resolutions. We have different responses to it. The International Law Association Committee is one of those. responses. We try to respond to this resolution and who we are has just been mentioned. We are independent experts that serve in personal capacity. Our expertise is across various disciplines of the law and we come from all regions of the world. We have gender balance and we are also we have substantive components of young scholars and practitioners. What do we do? Our chair and moderator today has already said that we have an ambition. We hadn't agreed on this term but indeed we have an ambition to bring some clarity, some coherence to the chaos created by the resolutions to identify the gaps and so on and trying to give a feature which is which is comprehensive, systemic and articulated. We offer a legal observatory and we aim also to offer guidelines. both theoretical and practical. Now, who do we aim to address? Who is our public beyond the room today here and online? Before I answer this, I would like to share two general observations that I've been able to make during my brief term because the group has just been set up as a member of the ILA committee. The first observation is very general and positive. I have a positive observation to share. We see a lot of ongoing discussions in multiple fora, and most of these fora are multilateral. The global dialogue on AI, I think, is the most visible and prominent example of it, but it's not the only one. To me, this is extremely noteworthy. Why? Because traditionally and historically, we have seen that state sovereignty has evolved from, we say, co -existence. Co -existence to a cooperation from the... the beginning of the last century until very few years ago, what we have seen and witnessed is states cooperating more and more. And this has taken place mostly and particularly through international organizations. Then, very recently, we saw a setback. We saw, in my mind, this is connected to the pandemic, COVID pandemic first, and then the Russian -Ukrainian war, and then, most prominently, new technologies. New technologies, from my point of view, have brought an alt to the movement towards cooperation. And what has emerged instead is what we usually refer to as strategic autonomy, technological sovereignty. States more inclined to compete than to cooperate. This is the main scenario in front of us. To me, AI is a game -changer. Again. What we are seeing, not in the last few years, in the last few months, weeks, and nowadays in Geneva, is actually something new. And we are seeing this in the last few years. We see, again, states coming together, and not only states, states, international organizations, and many other stakeholders coming together. This happens within UNESCO, UNICEF, ILO, ITU, the UN more broadly, both in Geneva and in New York. So, to me, this is extremely relevant and an extremely positive note to share. Another positive note is that in this trend, in this multilateral forum, what we hear is not only many voices, but voices singing similar songs. I don't know how many times yesterday, and we heard it also today from our chair, we heard the word safety, trustworthy, sustainable. You quote them all. It's a long list. Everybody agrees upon. I haven't heard a voice which is, I'm not in this direction. So, first point, a good one. Second point, more specific, and my last one, less positive. Coming to my topic, the Subcommittee on Human Rights and AI. I, again, the usual narrative challenges and opportunities, benefits and risks we all know this, we have heard it a million times, but then do we have really a framework, do we really have a mapping of interactions between AI and human rights we know that potentially all human rights can be enhanced by AI we see it in front of our eyes, and we know also the opposite because it is true, we know also that we have a number of human rights which are affected across all sectors that applies to privacy, that applies to the environment and maybe other rights, but we do not have yet a comprehensive understanding of what is going on between AI and human rights and we don't know how to operationalize what we all agreed upon, which is a human rights based approach so we agree on the framework, but then we don't know exactly how it is designed, how it is happening, and how to operationalize. So now I come to who do we address in the work we are trying to do. My aim, of course, is to have that ambition of coming to this complete mapping, thanks to the contribution of all members of the team, and to talk to all stakeholders. But thinking of the life cycle of AI, the addresses that I see the most natural for the work we are aiming to do are actually users. I'm not saying what we do is not going to be useful. Maybe that applies to other committees, for governments, for international organizations, for business, et cetera. But I believe that users, are the ones that we can make really aware of what is going on when they use AI. Another level at which I think we may be able to have an impact is at the level of imagination. I think critical thinking is something that belongs to us, to humans, and that's also part of the work of ILA that we want to continue to do and then can have an impact on every other layer of the life cycle of the AI, from design to development and deployment. So that's about
John Truby
what I wanted to share. Thank you. Thank you so much, Professor. So
Jimena Sofia Viveros Alvarez
next up, Jumina, the floor is yours. Thank you. Thank you very much, Jan. Thank you, Zoltan, for organizing, coordinating this, and Jan -Lisa for this. Thank you. Thank you very much, Jan. Thank you, Zoltan, for organizing, coordinating this, and Jan -Lisa for this. Thank you very much, Jan. Thank you, Zoltan, for organizing, coordinating this, and Jan -Lisa for this. Thank you. We are part of the International Law Association, so we're all lawyers. I don't know if everyone in the audience, but what we come from or what we're hoping for, obviously, are norms. As lawyers, that's what we know, what we are taught to respect, to understand, to enforce. We are, unfortunately, though, experiencing a crisis in international law at all. Everything is being renegotiated or just violently violated with complete impunity, which is not very encouraging as a landscape. But as Annalisa said, we are facing a technology that is extremely disruptive, if not the most disruptive that humanity has seen. In light of that, we really need to rethink that approach because, traditionally, we are not talking about the same thing as the American people, which is that we are talking about the same thing as the American people. norms of all kinds, even national law, it takes a process and it evolves as also do technologies. They normally evolve with revolutions that happen with technology. They go over time. Whereas with AI, it is at an accelerated scale. It kind of like duplicates, not triplicates every couple of months, right? So the pace and the scale. And the harms and the risks are also being multiplied and exacerbated at the same pace and scale. So we cannot afford to have the luxury of time and to wait for these traditional processes to work, these traditional institutions to kind of like coordinate for... for timely responses to actually matter. And we don't want to feed into the hype of things, but we do need to convey this urgency. That's why we are always calling for multi -stakeholder governance that's international, that's universal and binding. Because what we're seeing right now, and that's the title of this panel, it's from fragmentation to cohesion, what we're seeing right now is, and we've seen it for over a decade now, a lot of fragmented approaches, a lot of initiatives that are great and they all set a great precedent and they all kind of build upon each other, but sometimes they also contain overlaps or even contradictions. Whether we're talking regionally versus nationally, versus thematically. They're all kind of interlinked. So, we need to kind of like combine everything and bring it into a cohesive multilateral binding universal approach. And this also is true when we're talking about domains. So, there's also this tendency to segregate quote -unquote civilian AI and quote -unquote military AI, whereas we are all aware that the technology is dual use by nature. The technology is general purpose by nature. The technology is repurposable by nature. So, all of these are just the intrinsic characteristics of the technology. So, it's not civilian or military in itself. It's both at the same time. So, we also need to kind of like integrate the narrative and the different governance schemes into one coherent avenue. The first way or the most immediate way to do this, especially in the landscape that we have right now, is setting red lines, clear red lines on the unacceptable uses, the unacceptable applications. due to the level of risk, due to the level of harm. So what those exact red lines may be, there are different opinions on what they could be, but there is like a minimum floor, right? So decisions of life and death have created or have gathered a momentum and consensus that, I mean, obviously with the notable exceptions that we all know about, that they should be like the minimum floor of, you know, algorithms should not be deciding on life and death decisions. This is a call that the Secretary General has made with the president of the ICRC, also the late Pope Francis, and now also Pope Leo in the Encyclica. And this applies first and foremost for autonomous weapons, but it also goes forward to, say, decisions where, for example, in healthcare, where there are also, like, life and death decisions. Decisions also, for example, in... in the judiciary, you know, we're talking about the capital punishment and other types of circumstances. So this type of framing of the red lines, the Secretary General in his great, wonderful speech that I hope that everyone saw yesterday, he repeated this call for establishment of this universal binding, clear red lines explicitly mentioning autonomous weapons as one of them but also he alluded to healthcare, the judiciary law enforcement, so all of these other aspects that also go within the broader spectrum of peace and security which is again, you know, kind of like more and more blurred nowadays you know, what is an armed conflict in the traditional sense and what is a peace and what's everything in between and what legal framework applies and which technologies are being used for what, I think Claude left that very clear In Iran and in the different operations, even, you know, President Maduro was captured through the use of flood. So that's not technically recognized as an armed conflict, though. So, you know, but all of these technologies are, again, dual use, general purpose, repurposable. So there are different ways that these red lines can be set and enforced. Obviously, we would love to have a binding treaty, as has been called upon. But there are creative ways that also, you know, they all need to kind of like feed into each other, just going in the same direction. So, for example, the Pope's Encyclica is a great way to kind of like call upon moral leadership of some kind. But it's not just like, you know, one faith. It's like an interfaith dialogue that has been going on around the same direction. You know, you have the Rome Call for AI Ethics, which was signed in Hiroshima two years ago. It's the first document that 11 most, you know, all of the major religions have signed on any topic. in history and it's on AI ethics. And that's pretty major, you know, it's kind of like points into one direction. So this is the point about multi -stakeholderism, right? Because what we're seeing right now, you know, with the, for example, with industry is a lot of voluntary commitments. And we really need to move past that because as we've seen, you know, in practice, internal policies, corporate policies, they backtrack themselves, they change, they just, you know, sometimes never move even into policy from this commitment. So there needs to be a lot more oversight and accountability on what these commitments are and how they're actually materializing, you know, holding this, especially the frontier labs to account to respect red lines. Anthropic try to hold up the two red lines, but, you know, even those are, I mean, for example, mass surveillance, but why of only U .S. citizens? You know, it's, you know, mass surveillance everywhere is unacceptable, not just of a specific type of citizen. So, yeah, and the way that the government treated that was like a corporate policy, whereas, no, you can perfectly anchor that in international law. A lot of the red lines can be perfectly anchored in international law already. So why are we not doing that? You know, it's not international law is technology neutral, right? It should be technology neutral. So we just need to come back down and make it specific, you know, so that it's clear and transparent for everyone. So that's another avenue. And the third one, or like another one, just to conclude, procurement. That's also like a very powerful tool that we have at our disposal. to kind of like bind these companies and also the governments through procurement schemes so that especially when we're talking, say, like in the dual -use domain, that we make sure that the systems are reliable or at least, you know, as reliable as they can be through a business of procurement requirements so that there can be some accountability in the whole process. So these are just some ideas. So I really
John Truby
encourage you all to join, if you have not already, the Red Lines Movement and to get involved in these conversations. And obviously, you know, also within the ILA committee and our subcommittee in particular. But, yeah, get engaged. We need to all move into the same direction. So thank you for being here. Thank you so much, Shamina. And really interesting to hear some
Zoltán Turbék
Like LinkedIn, everyone is an AI expert now after one week training. But all the UN entities and other actors want to, as I often say, they want to jump on the AI trains, which is not to miss it. Otherwise, you are left behind. But I think that's totally normal, and it's a logical consequence of all the attention that this topic gets nowadays. Personally, I hope that things will calm down a little bit and then, I mean, the serious work has to continue. There is also, as I think Jimena mentioned, that there is a need. I think it's more and more broadly agreed and recognized that there is a need for regulation. I think the claims in recent years, coming sometimes from big tech companies, sometimes from certain states, big states, that we don't need regulation. Regulation, because it kills innovation, it's false. So it's... also S .G. Guterres yesterday, or the new AI scientific panel, I just came out with a preliminary report, also concluded that, also Paul Cleo, as you also mentioned, so I think there's a need to regulate the space, and that also helps innovation in the future. The question is really, so the question is not no longer whether we need to regulate it, but how, by whom, and in what way, right? So that's the main question. Until now, I would say, I started to focus on this topic in 2019, when I attended the first Council of Europe Autocommittee meeting on AI in Strasbourg, so already, when was it, seven years ago, you know, that was a time when we started to explore this field, you know, is there a need to have a new instrument or not? Already at that time, you know, some new instrument, or no, sometimes some thinking started, and I would say that regulatory initiatives are mushrooming still. You know, the legal toolbox is full of all kinds of instruments. You know, there are calls for global treaties, or we have regional treaties like the Cancer Free World Framework Convention. We have a global reach, so any state can actually join, even beyond the Cancer Free World membership. We have the EU AI Act, you know, binding regulation by the EU or software instruments by UNESCO, ESCO resolutions or authoritative reports by UN General Assembly or SG or Human Rights Council, for example. I mentioned the technical standards by IEC, ISO. Or I could also refer to the whole body of international human rights law, which is also applicable to these kind of activities, even if they are not specific enough. UN guiding principles on business and human rights. All of these are applicable or relevant to some extent to this field. We also have national laws and policies and treaties. even documents adopted at city level or lower level, and the self -regulation which was also mentioned. There is also this tension that there is the rigidity of the law on the one hand and then the need for flexibility because of the technical developments, and then the quick adaptation of these. So is it a problem that we right now have all this diversity of instruments? I would say that my personal opinion is that this is totally normal, and this is only the sign of the nature of this young field of law trying to find its shape, right? But things are developing. Also, I think the list of what could be regulated and how is also long. So you're like, should we focus on civilian, or should we focus on the state? Should we focus on military use of AI? Should we have a comprehensive framework or sector -specific instruments? technology neutral approach, or should we regulate the technology itself? Is it possible to regulate the technology, or we should focus on the use or the impact of using such technology? That was the decision by the Council of Europe, for example. And also, I think it's also unclear what AI are we talking about. Is it Gen AI, agentic AI, predictive AI, high -risk, low -risk, whatever. What about the infrastructure, related infrastructure, data centers, and all this? So, as you see, it's complicated, very complicated. We have a fragmented legal landscape, lots of duplication, overlaps, sometimes conflicting norms, terms, certain terms or definitions meaning totally different in different instruments. So, for example, I had a paper on the principle of fairness. What does it mean? For UNESCO, it means totally different. 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Or I can also mention the implementation tools which are related to some of these instruments, like the impact assessment mechanisms. The Council of Europe elaborated the so -called Hood Area, the Human Rights, the Democracy of Low -Flow Impact Assessment Tool, the UNESCO has an ethical impact assessment, the EU has the Fundamental Rights Impact Assessment, the OCHR has the due diligence procedure, all aiming to help implementation of the norms. But in a totally different way. And then states are confused, right? What to do? And then what would be the best regulatory approach in this case? Or companies or other actors? What should we apply? Is it possible to implement it and how? So there is, I think, a growing need to see more clearly. what we are talking about. And I think what is needed is clarity. Trying to get rid of the confusion, we have to understand really what we are talking about. What are the trends? Where gaps, where no rules exist? What are the converging elements? What are the diverging elements? Is there a conflict among certain obligations or not? And this is actually where the ILA can really provide an added value. We can foster understanding of this emerging field of law and somehow strengthen not AI literacy, but
Speaker 2
okay thank you so much so this is this is given a very uh brief overview of some of the areas that we're working on on this committee. Now, time's really against us. We've got very little time for a couple of quick questions. So if anybody would like to ask any questions, maybe what we could do is take three concise and precise questions, if anybody has one, and then give each of the speakers one minute to answer and we'll stick to the time. And the chat, I have checked also. Does anybody have a question? Please, please introduce yourself also.
Lars Gustafsson
I am Lars Gustafsson from the Swedish Post and Telecom Authority. Thank you. And we are, or my colleagues are dealing with the AI Act and the first thing you hear about on the first page, it's all about the risks. I mean, all technologies have risks. but how come we focus I mean I almost know the answer but I mean you talk about high risk or unacceptable risk and then low risk and then at the very bottom no risk so I mean you start with the bad side of the coin and then the front side how come why is it so dangerous this time thank you
Speaker 2
any more questions and we'll take all the answers together there's one question from online some of the comments so we've got is the biggest so there's a question from Paui is the biggest governance challenge today actually no longer the absence of rules but the absence of coordination amongst existing institutions I think some of this has been covered I would ask one more question it's I think it's it's seems to me it's a feature and not a bug that there would be such a mess and that the actual decisions are taking place in the background and whichever new organization we add we try to make a comprehensive something there's always something else popping up and it will never let us finish the job so how can we deal with this problem so thank you so much for these questions do you have a question please
Kenneth
I'm Kenneth from Uganda mine is I think similar to what she's asked do we have any power over the big tech companies in terms of regulation or do we just have to wait for what they have to say and then respond especially in the areas that uh that you mentioned and then just a comment uh when you mentioned about whether we need general regulation or sector specific i think in the area of intellectual property very much so especially with deepfakes with uh i think it's necessary to have a sector specific ai regulation looking at that space and maybe as well looking at at image rates itself as maybe a new intellectual property right thank
Paulo
you yes very quickly paulo from the graduate institute perhaps a question on on sovereignty you already pointed to it that sovereignty is perhaps shaping back to a more cooperative model but isn't sovereignty also changing um substantively in the terms of rights and obligations that you're talking about right from it and and how do we connect the technology that is global and that is borderless with this territorial notion of sovereignty conceptually, and perhaps are there new rights and obligations that arise from sovereignty now or that the states are asserting? Yes, have you thought about
Speaker 2
So please, one minute each for each of our panelists. Professor, would you like to go first? Just your overview, and you can answer any of those questions or give general remarks.
Zoltán Turbék
Okay, three quick points. Why are we so focused on risks? Because I think we are afraid because the revolutions scare us, and I think the developments are fast and are huge and are really big. So I think this is the simple answer. I don't know whether you had a different one in your mind. On, yes, regulations, regulations, yes. I don't want to go into too much detail. I don't want to be against. I'm a lawyer myself. some of the categories we have we do need to rethink the risk assessment these are good categories but we also have to think critically about them the AI act now I'm saying this really everything I've said it's in my personal capacity the AI act is it beautiful I don't know it's not up to me to say but it's entry into force has been postponed it says something so maybe it's not that easy it's not that practical the human in the loop of the right to human oversight is also many times we've heard does it really apply in all circumstances not sure AI agents agentics AI isn't it meant to work without women humans so I'm not I'm a human rights lawyer I've done human rights all my life so don't get me wrong but we really have to think also new terms to keep a human right in you and left on geography I I thought about it a lot. I wrote about it. I think geography is still relevant today. It's just changing. It's not simply physical geography. So the theory is still good. It's evolving both normatively and practically. But, yes, I agree with you. There is a change, but it's still relevant
Speaker 3
today. Thank you. I'll try to keep it very brief. So, yeah, so risks, obviously, the categories of risks, which lead to all the way to catastrophic or existential risks, clearly merit, you know, different tiers of risk, but clearly merit evaluating them and having regulation follow that. But we are, this is AI for good. So there's like a lot of focus on the opportunities as well. So on the extraterritoriality and sovereignty, that's why we really. need to go for like universally binding norms for everyone anywhere because otherwise when you're talking about sovereignty uh you have like specific countries uh trying to uh come up and like enforce very stupid rules like for example the the ban on fable um so that it was only available for u .s citizens within the u .s like how is that practical ever um so then we that's why we need to have this for everyone everywhere uh because the safeguards and the protections need to be universal and not just selected per nationality um and the risks also should not be then just concentrated on um extraterritorially as well like outsourced let's say um and uh i'll keep it
John
there i think thank you john and thank you for the questions very briefly um i think we are experimenting at the moment so no one knows what will work well yeah uh that's why also we have so many different type of instrument uh instruments None of them are perfect because they are always a result of a compromise. If I think about the cancer -free API treaty, many people criticize it. I know how hard it was to put that together. It's a compromise. It could have been more ambitious. It's not. But still, I think what matters more is what will happen during implementation. Many of these instruments are not in force yet or not binding, actually. I think through implementation, when the courts will start to apply, when you will have case law coming out, or when the problems will come up, we will understand the field more clearly and also see what works well and what doesn't. But again, I would say that this is totally normal. Strength in compromise is important. I very much believe, and relatively openly mistake, that the building blocks will crystallize and then we will know what are really the... Yeah. the key principles and all this, and you know, it's a field which is developing. It also happens in other fields, environment, everywhere, right? So that's totally normal, we shouldn't be surprised, but of course we need to identify these gaps and then the inconsistencies along this. So let's focus on implementation, let's ensure that these instruments enter into force more soon, like the cancer for AI treaty, by ratifications and all this. So, yeah, I'm also curious to see what will happen, but I think it's an exciting field. But we should not expect anything perfect, yeah,
Speaker 2
Thank you so much. And it's a super interesting time because we have the first meeting of the AI dialogue this week, and can you imagine, in two years' time, the dialogue will conclude and we don't know where AI will be. Absolutely. by then. And that's the enormous challenge faced by this committee. And this is something we're looking at on the ILA, AI and Technology Law Committee, because there are many unknowns. But also there's a lot of opportunities, opportunities to achieve sustainable development goals through AI, balanced with the risks which have kept coming up and which will continue to rise as AI capabilities accelerate. So on behalf of the ILA committee, on behalf of UNESCO chair, and on behalf of the National University of Singapore Centre for International Law, I'm really grateful. We're really grateful for all of this participation and contribution. We've got so much more to unpack, time's against us. Please do follow our work. we've got quite an website and social media on LinkedIn a few of the different topics that have come up we've got publications and regular webinars and events on so please engage with us and we'd love to include as many voices as possible in this really important and emerging subject so thank you so much and I hope you enjoy the best of the dialogue thank you
Zoltán Turbék
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