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From Data to Implementation: Scaling Digital Tools for Human Rights Monitoring

7 speakers
Summary

This session, moderated by Domenico Zipoli of the Geneva Human Rights Hub, focused on how digital tools and artificial intelligence can improve human rights monitoring and implementation, bringing together perspectives from government, international institutions, and academia .

Roberto Cespedes, Chargé d'Affaires of Costa Rica's mission to the UN in Geneva, described his country's experience using the National Recommendations Tracking Database (NRTD), which was introduced to help manage the large volume of recommendations received from treaty bodies, the UPR, and special procedures . He highlighted that the tool's clustering functionality has improved inter-institutional communication and that Costa Rica is working towards giving civil society direct access to the database to strengthen transparency and collaborative implementation .

Marie Eve Boyer of OHCHR explained that the NRTD was developed in response to the fragmented nature of international human rights recommendations, building on the Universal Human Rights Index to create a tool that helps states cluster, assign responsibility for, and report on recommendations . She emphasised that AI can assist in identifying relevant data and scaling up reporting, but stressed that human expertise remains essential, as AI cannot replace the contextual judgement needed to assess real-world implementation . Currently, 20 countries actively use the NRTD, with 40 more awaiting deployment .

Lukasz Szoszkiewicz presented an academic perspective, demonstrating tools he developed using natural language processing and generative AI to enhance access to UN human rights databases, including paragraph-level search and analytical dashboards . He argued that generative AI has shifted software development so that domain experts, rather than IT professionals, can now lead the design and delivery of specialised tools .

The discussion concluded with participants acknowledging that data accessibility and the challenge of measuring real-world outcomes remain significant gaps, with panellists agreeing that collaboration between governments, civil society, and academia is essential to making human rights implementation more effective, inclusive, and accountable .

Keypoints
  • Overall Purpose

  • The discussion aims to explore how digital tools and artificial intelligence can be used to improve human rights monitoring and implementation. Specifically, it examines the practical application of tracking databases, AI-assisted data processing, and academic experimentation with natural language processing, with the goal of making human rights recommendations more accessible, actionable, and effectively implemented by governments, civil society, and international bodies.
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  • Major Discussion Points

  • The challenge of managing large volumes of human rights recommendations and the role of digital tracking tools in addressing this. States receive thousands of recommendations annually from multiple bodies - treaty bodies, the UPR, special procedures, and regional mechanisms - making coordination extremely difficult. The National Recommendations Tracking Database (NRTD) was designed specifically to consolidate these recommendations into one place, enabling governments to cluster them by theme, assign institutional responsibility, and track progress towards implementation.
  • Costa Rica's practical experience using the NRTD as a government user Costa Rica established an inter-institutional commission in 2011 to coordinate follow-up on recommendations, but lacked effective technical tools until recently adopting the NRTD. The tool has improved visibility of recommendations across ministries and facilitated inter-institutional communication through thematic clustering. A persistent challenge is high staff turnover, which the government is addressing through continuous training cycles. Costa Rica is also working towards giving civil society direct access to the NRTD to improve transparency and collaborative implementation. - The role of AI in scaling human rights monitoring, balanced against the irreplaceable need for human judgement and contextual expertise. AI and machine learning can process large volumes of data, identify patterns, support semantic search, and facilitate multilingual access. However, speakers consistently emphasised that AI should support rather than replace human judgement, and that context, legal nuance, and the voices of affected communities remain essential. The UN's position, as articulated by OHCHR, is that humans must retain control, with AI serving as an assistive tool rather than a decision-maker. - Academic experimentation with natural language processing and generative AI to build practical human rights databases and analytical tools. Lukasz Szoszkiewicz described a range of prototype tools built using generative AI, including databases of UN treaty body jurisprudence, a dashboard for analysing Universal Human Rights Index data, and a European Court of Human Rights paragraph-level search tool. A key insight was that generative AI enables domain experts - such as lawyers and human rights professionals - to build bespoke software without relying heavily on IT teams, shifting the balance of software development towards those with substantive expertise. He also highlighted strategies for reducing AI hallucinations, such as using large language models to generate deterministic scripts rather than directly querying them with data.
  • Data accessibility, interoperability, and the gap between data availability and meaningful outcome measurement. Multiple speakers noted that while data often exists, it is fragmented, not always interoperable, and difficult to process at scale. A particular concern raised was the difficulty of measuring outcomes - as opposed to commitments or processes - without reliable, disaggregated, community-level data, especially in sensitive areas such as torture. OHCHR is currently researching minimum data sets required for tracking progress, with a focus on linking human rights indicators to SDG outcome indicators. ---
  • Overall Tone

  • The overall tone of the discussion is constructive, collaborative, and cautiously optimistic. Speakers share a genuine enthusiasm for the potential of digital tools and AI to improve human rights implementation, while consistently acknowledging real-world limitations such as data gaps, fragmentation, capacity constraints, and the risk of AI hallucination. The tone is notably practical and grounded, particularly when Roberto Cespedes describes Costa Rica's lived experience , and when Marie Eve Boyer stresses the indispensable role of human expertise alongside technology. Towards the end of the session, as audience members raise more complex challenges - such as data accessibility for torture monitoring and outcome measurement - the tone becomes slightly more sobering and reflective, though it remains solution-oriented and forward-looking. Throughout, there is a strong spirit of cross-sector dialogue between government, international organisations, and academia, with speakers openly inviting further collaboration.
Speakers Overview
DZ
Domenico Zipoli
145 wpm · 14 min
ME
Marie Eve Boyer
166 wpm · 11 min
RC
Roberto Cespedes
123 wpm · 9 min
LS
Lukasz Szoszkiewicz
171 wpm · 12 min
AL
Axel Leblois
155 wpm · 2 min
CD
Cecilia de Armas
182 wpm · 2 min
ML
Michaela Lissowsky
124 wpm · 1 min

Expanded Summary: From Data to Implementation - Scaling Digital Tools for Human Rights Monitoring

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Opening and Framing

The session opened with brief remarks from Michaela Lissowsky of the Friedrich Naumann Foundation, who observed that artificial intelligence is currently dominated by a small number of powerful technology actors, and argued that this makes it all the more important to ensure that human rights - which belong to all people worldwide - are placed at the centre of digital innovation . She introduced the discussion as a continuation of a collaboration with the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) and the Geneva Human Rights Hub, noting that whereas the previous year's session had introduced digital tools and their implications, this session would focus on real-world application .

Domenico Zipoli, Head of Programmes at the Geneva Human Rights Hub and moderator of the session, set out the guiding idea with clarity: human rights implementation increasingly depends not only on political will, but also on the quality of the information systems that support it . He noted that states receive thousands of recommendations per year from UN human rights mechanisms, regional bodies, and other processes, all of which need to be clustered, assigned, followed up, and translated into concrete actions . This volume of recommendations, he argued, is precisely where digital solutions have become increasingly important, helping to reduce duplication, support reporting, improve access to recommendations, and move closer to implementation .

Zipoli also acknowledged the limitations of the current landscape. The ecosystem of digital tools remains fragmented, with many tools operating in silos, data that is not always interoperable, and unequal access for civil society and human rights defenders - particularly outside Europe . He then turned to the role of artificial intelligence, noting that AI and machine learning can help process large volumes of information, identify patterns, cluster recommendations, support semantic search, facilitate multilingual access, and help users identify gaps . However, he was careful to frame the session's central question not as whether AI can make human rights monitoring faster, but rather how digital tools and responsible AI can make human rights implementation more effective, inclusive, transparent, and accountable . This normative framing - anchoring the discussion in human rights values rather than technical capability - set the tone for everything that followed.

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The Government Perspective: Costa Rica's Experience with the NRTD

Roberto Cespedes, Chargé d'Affaires of Costa Rica's Mission to the United Nations in Geneva, offered a detailed account of his country's journey in managing human rights recommendations. Costa Rica established an inter-institutional commission in 2011 - the National Mechanism for Follow-up (NMIRF) - coordinated by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and bringing together most government ministries, representatives from the judiciary and parliament, and the national human rights institution (the Defensoría de los Habitantes) . More recently, the commission has institutionalised the participation of two civil society representatives through what is called the Permanent Entity of Consultation, giving them a seat at every meeting .

Despite this institutional structure, Cespedes acknowledged that Costa Rica lacked effective technical tools for many years . The introduction of the National Recommendations Tracking Database (NRTD), developed with the support of OHCHR, has significantly improved the situation . The tool has given greater visibility to recommendations from treaty bodies, the Universal Periodic Review (UPR), and special procedures, and has helped institutions understand where they have opportunities to implement recommendations . Cespedes described the NRTD as flexible and intuitive, noting that ministries including Education, Health, and the institution for child safety have found its functionalities useful .

One of the most significant practical benefits Cespedes identified was the tool's clustering functionality, which groups recommendations by topic or theme. This has led entities to recognise that certain recommendations create opportunities for collaboration with other institutions, thereby increasing inter-ministerial communication and, ultimately, action . He also highlighted a persistent structural challenge: high staff turnover in government institutions means that institutional knowledge about recommendations is frequently lost when personnel change . Costa Rica's response has been to introduce a continuous training cycle for staff across all ministries, embedding the NRTD into ongoing institutional practice rather than treating it as a one-off deployment .

Looking ahead, Cespedes expressed optimism about the potential for AI-assisted pattern detection within the NRTD to reveal how different institutions interpret and respond to recommendations . He also emphasised that civil society is a central part of Costa Rica's implementation strategy, and that the country is actively working towards giving civil society organisations direct access to the NRTD - not merely as observers, but as partners who can see what every part of the state is doing, make suggestions, and work collaboratively with government on implementation .

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The Developer Perspective: OHCHR and the Design of the NRTD

Marie Eve Boyer, Human Rights Officer in the Capacity Building Programme of OHCHR, provided both the institutional rationale and the design philosophy behind the NRTD. She began by describing the problem the tool was created to solve: states face an overwhelming and fragmented array of recommendations from multiple international and regional bodies simultaneously . Using Brazil as an illustration, she noted that a single country may receive recommendations from the Inter-American Commission, the Inter-American Court, the Human Rights Council, the UPR, treaty body committees, and multiple special rapporteurs - with five special rapporteurs visiting Brazil in a single year alone . The challenge is not only volume but coherence: from a human perspective, the system can appear deeply fragmented, even though clustering recommendations often reveals that they point in the same direction with few genuine contradictions .

OHCHR's response began with the Universal Human Rights Index (UHRI), an online platform that consolidates all outcomes of the UN system, searchable by country, theme, group, and Sustainable Development Goal (SDG) . However, Boyer explained that states needed more than a reference tool - they needed a mechanism for moving from standard-setting and guidance to actual implementation . This led to the development of the NRTD, which takes the recommendations pertaining to a specific country from the UHRI and provides functionalities for clustering them by theme, SDG, group, and ministry, assigning institutional responsibility, and enabling reporting on progress .

Boyer stressed that accountability is embedded in the tool's design: by requiring the identification of which ministry leads, which co-leads, and which supports implementation of each recommendation, the NRTD makes responsibility explicit and traceable . Currently, 20 countries are actively using the NRTD, with approximately 40 more waiting for deployment - a clear indication of demand, but also of the capacity constraints OHCHR faces in accompanying states through the process .

On the question of AI, Boyer articulated the UN's institutional position clearly: humans must retain control, with AI serving as an assistive tool rather than a decision-maker . AI can help scale up work, spot relevant data, identify what data is needed to measure progress, and flag what additional data needs to be collected . However, she was emphatic that the human component behind digital tools is not merely desirable but essential. AI cannot create the reality that affects people every day, and people working with communities who understand the subject matter are needed not only to enter data but to analyse it and reflect on what works in a given country context . She pointed to examples of tools that had shown real limitations precisely because there was no sustained human component behind them to feed information into the system - a point she made with reference to Roberto's earlier implicit acknowledgement of other tools' shortcomings . This led her to push back - diplomatically but clearly - against the suggestion that digital tools can substitute for or precede institutional structures, arguing that OHCHR does not believe this approach works in the long run .

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The Academic Perspective: Natural Language Processing and Generative AI in Practice

Lukasz Szoszkiewicz, Assistant Professor at Adam Mikiewicz University in Poznań, Director for European Affairs of the NeuroRise Foundation, and also affiliated with Heuridox - a close partner of the Geneva Human Rights Hub - brought an experimental academic perspective to the discussion . He described himself as an experimentalist whose role is to explore new territory and hand results to other stakeholders, where risks can be properly considered before tools are deployed at scale . Importantly, he emphasised that he is a lawyer by training, not an IT professional, and that he learned these tools through self-directed experimentation - a point he made deliberately to illustrate that domain experts can and should engage directly with AI tool development . He presented four prototype tools he has developed using natural language processing and generative AI, including a database of UN treaty body general comments and jurisprudence, a dashboard for analysing Universal Human Rights Index data, and a European Court of Human Rights paragraph-level search tool .

A central insight from Szoszkiewicz's presentation was that generative AI has fundamentally shifted the software development process. Previously, domain experts had to translate their needs into technical specifications and hand them to IT teams, waiting - sometimes at considerable cost - for the resulting tools . Now, generative AI enables domain experts to build functional prototypes directly, testing user interfaces and arriving at solutions that do exactly what they need . He illustrated this point with a visual slide depicting the shift in software development, using a layered diagram to contrast traditional and AI-assisted approaches. Crucially, he argued that IT professionals without human rights expertise cannot determine what features are needed - for example, that paragraph-level rather than document-level search is essential for legal research - and that the space for domain experts in software development is therefore expanding while the relative role of IT is decreasing . Developing benchmarks to assess whether AI tools perform as intended is similarly a task that can only be carried out by those with human rights knowledge . He also noted that law students, unlike IT professionals, are often discouraged when tools fail or produce errors, and that changing this mindset is an important part of enabling domain experts to engage with AI tools.

Szoszkiewicz also addressed the critical concern about AI hallucinations with technical precision. He drew a key distinction between using large language models (LLMs) to directly analyse data - which risks hallucination - and using LLMs to generate deterministic code scripts that process data reliably and consistently . In the latter approach, the generated code can be inspected by IT professionals for cybersecurity and privacy issues before deployment, and will produce the same output every time, eliminating the probabilistic variability that causes hallucinations . Where he does use LLMs for semantic similarity within his tools, he invokes source paragraphs verbatim rather than generating new text, reducing hallucination risk to a very low level . He acknowledged that entirely eliminating hallucinations remains difficult and that the process is long and tricky, but maintained that careful design choices can make the risk manageable .

Szoszkiewicz concluded with a characteristically candid reflection on his approach: he compared the process of exploring AI capabilities to navigating an RPG game where you cannot see the full map, only your immediate surroundings, and must explore by trial and error . He noted that one of the tools accessible to participants had been built the previous evening, in approximately two to three hours - a striking illustration of how accessible sophisticated tool development has become for domain experts willing to experiment.

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Cross-Cutting Themes: Design, Institutionalisation, and the Future of Reporting

Several important cross-cutting themes emerged from the exchanges between speakers. Zipoli observed that digital tools are not neutral containers, and that design choices made at the outset will ultimately influence how recommendations are implemented in practice - making careful, deliberate design essential from the very beginning . He also offered a speculative provocation - acknowledging he may be exaggerating - that the concept of periodic reporting, a cornerstone of the international human rights system, might within five to ten years give way to continuous reporting, as digital tools make information permanently and openly accessible . This speculation connected the technical discussion about data flows and interoperability to a much larger question about the future architecture of international human rights accountability.

Zipoli also introduced an unexpected insight about the relationship between digitisation and institution-building: that one pathway to establishing a National Mechanism for Implementation, Reporting and Follow-up (NMRF) is to digitise tracking work through tools, because the digital interface compels governments to identify key implementing actors, thereby institutionalising responsibilities that might otherwise remain informal . This observation generated a productive tension with Boyer's caution that tools without pre-existing human institutional backing have historically failed - a disagreement that, while not fully resolved, enriched the discussion by introducing complexity around the sequencing of tools and institutions.

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Audience Contributions: Data Gaps, Outcome Measurement, and Civil Society

The Q&A segment introduced two important perspectives from the floor. Cecilia de Armas, representing the Global Torture Index at the OMCP, described the challenges of gathering data in a context where governments may deliberately conceal information about torture . She noted that the Global Torture Index works with 100 NGOs across 39 countries, with plans to scale further, but faces the dual challenge of processing large volumes of data and communicating findings meaningfully to the general public . She called for more governments to release data on torture-related recommendations, and emphasised that multi-stakeholder dialogue between governments, civil society, and academia is the only viable path to tracking progress - while also expressing a desire to avoid naming and shaming and instead surface positive developments .

Axel Leblois of G-State, drawing on 20 years of monitoring the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (CRPD) across 143 countries, introduced the most rigorous methodological challenge of the session . He noted that while AI can now gather data on commitments and processes relatively reliably, the outcome field - reflecting the real experiences of people who are supposed to be protected - presents a major challenge, because without validated user feedback and documented end-user analysis, AI enters a huge field of hallucination . He also highlighted a structural misalignment between the long review cycles of UN treaty bodies and the rapid pace of change on the ground , implicitly questioning whether the current monitoring architecture is adequate for real-time human rights protection.

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Closing Reflections: Data, Outcomes, and the Path Forward

In their closing responses, the three panellists addressed these challenges with a mixture of candour and cautious optimism. Szoszkiewicz reiterated that data availability is the fundamental bottleneck: once data exists, AI can structure and process it efficiently, but without data the system cannot function . He maintained that hallucinations can be reduced to very low levels through careful design, though he acknowledged this remains a long and tricky process .

Boyer described OHCHR's ongoing research into minimum data sets required by treaty bodies, beginning with recommendations from the Committee Against Torture, as a practical step towards providing states with guidance on priority data collection . She suggested that leveraging SDG outcome indicators could help establish a baseline minimum data set, offering a concrete pathway for aligning human rights monitoring with existing data infrastructure .

Cespedes offered a particularly thought-provoking observation: that many positive government actions go unreported because officials do not recognise that what they are doing corresponds to a human rights recommendation . He proposed that AI could help identify such compliance by analysing inputted data and flagging whether a government action corresponds to a recommendation . He also suggested that continuously monitoring community satisfaction and linking it to government actions on the ground could become easier and cheaper in the near future, offering a promising direction for outcome measurement .

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Conclusion

The session demonstrated a high degree of consensus across speakers representing government, international organisations, academia, and civil society on the core principles governing the responsible use of digital tools and AI in human rights monitoring. All speakers agreed that digital tools are essential for managing the overwhelming volume of recommendations from multiple bodies ; that AI must support rather than replace human judgement ; that human expertise and institutional structures are irreplaceable ; and that data accessibility remains the primary bottleneck . Significant unresolved challenges remain, including how to obtain valid outcome data at the community level, how to address the misalignment between treaty body review cycles and real-time conditions, how to ensure interoperability across fragmented tool ecosystems, and how to scale deployment to the many countries waiting for support . The session closed with an invitation to continue the conversation at their booth (number 117) at the AI for Good Expo, reflecting the broader spirit of cross-sector collaboration that characterised the entire discussion .

Michaela Lissowsky
Right now, AI is dominated by a couple of tech bros, which was one of the learning lessons I would say repeated again and again within the last days. But human rights belong to all people worldwide. Therefore, we need today's discussion about from data to implementation, scaling digital tools for human rights monitoring. I'm happy that we continue here our cooperation from last year with the Office of the High Commissioner and especially our friends and partners from the Geneva Human Rights Hub. While we introduced last year the digital tools and discussed its implications, today's next 45 minutes will be about its real -world application. And therefore, I'm happy that we have a special... Actually, you're also a member state representative amongst these groups. And me, as the German here from the Friedrich Naumann Foundation, I will take care of the time. And in order to fulfill the clichés, I will hand over to Domenico, our human rights friend from the Geneva Human Rights Hub, who will be the
Domenico Zipoli
moderator. Thank you. Thank you very much, Michaela, for these opening remarks. Thank you all for being here. Good morning to everybody in the room and online. It's a great pleasure to have this conversation about this trajectory between data and implementation, and really looking at how scaling digital tools can benefit human rights monitoring. As Michaela mentioned, my name is Domenico Zipoli. I'm head of programs of the Geneva Human Rights Hub. And I'll have the pleasure of speaking to you today. Thank you. We have 45 minutes together. The infamous Wyss is 45 minutes. I'll just use five minutes just to give a little bit of an introduction to the session. But yes, the format will be quite focused. So after my framing remarks, I will turn to our three speakers of the day, and each speaker will have around five minutes, as mentioned, back to back, and then we will open the floor for questions and discussions with the room as well as with our colleagues online. I already have seen that there's quite a number of interesting initiatives amongst our friends in the room. It would be great to also learn from what you're doing in the digital human rights space. The guiding idea for today is quite simple. Human rights implementation increasingly depends not only on political will, but also on the quality of the information systems that support it. states receive thousands of recommendations per year from UN human rights mechanisms, regional bodies, and other processes. And these recommendations need to be clustered, assigned, follow -ups, reported on, translated into concrete actions. And we will hear a lot about that in the coming minutes. And this is where digital solutions, and this is where our research in the past years has really found it important to focus on, has become increasingly important. Digital solutions are really the way that human rights monitoring these days are overcoming these challenges. And so over the past years, through our work on the emergence of digital human rights tracking tools and databases, we have seen a growing ecosystem of tools used by governments, national human rights institutions, civil society organizations, UN actors as well as academic partners, of course. And these tools help to access information first and foremost. reduce duplication, support reporting, improve access to recommendations, and ideally move us closer to implementation. So that's the idea of this digital transformation that also our sector, albeit a little bit slower than other sectors, is going through. However, this ecosystem is fragmented. Many tools still operate in silos. Data is not always interoperable, the famous interoperability question that everybody mentions these days. Importantly, civil society and human rights defenders do not always have equal access to human rights information and to the digital space that we have here in Europe, for instance, and technical innovation does not automatically translate into better human rights outcomes. And then, after all of this introduction, I'd also like to mention, of course, where AI enters. And this is quite a fascinating step that we're all facing. AI and machine learning can help to process large volumes of information. We talked about the thousands of recommendations earlier on. Governments at times have to be reviewed by multiple treaty bodies in one year, and we all know the challenges that that produces. It's important to identify patterns, right, to cluster recommendations, support semantic search, facilitate multilingual access, and potentially help users identify gaps. And so these tools are growingly really filling some of these challenges, and we believe that this is a major step in terms of usefulness, but then the design needs to be especially careful. And in human rights implementation, of course, we all know context matters. Legal nuance matters. Institutional mandates matter. And so... And the voices of affected communities, of course, matter. And AI can support human judgment, but it should not. replace it. And I think that this is something that we hear throughout the halls of these AI days here in Geneva. So the question for the session is not simply can AI make human rights monitoring faster? Of course, there is an element of rapidity. But the better question is how can digital tools and responsible AI make human rights implementation more effective? Yes. But also more inclusive, transparent, and accountable. This is what we're all trying to work on together. So with that framing, I'm very pleased to introduce our excellent speakers for today. Our first speaker will be Mr. Roberto Cespedes, Chargé d 'Affaires of the Mission of Costa Rica to the United Nations here in Geneva. And Roberto will bring the perspective of a government user. Costa Rica, just as a small introduction, has recently worked with the National Recommendations Tracking Database, the NRTD. And Roberto will speak to what this means in practice for a state in engaging with recommendation coordination and follow -up. And our second speaker will be Marieve Boyer, Human Rights Officer in the Capacity Building Program of the Office of the High Commission of Human Rights. And Marieve is part of the team responsible for the design and support of the National Recommendations Tracking Database. And Marieve will help us understand the logic behind the tool, its design choices, and how perhaps the OCHR sees its future, including some of the AI functions that I find fascinating and that, yes, we hope that will help governments track the implementation of human rights recommendations in a more efficient but also more... responsible manner. And our third speaker is Mr. Lukasz Osiewicz, Assistant Professor at Adam Mikiewicz University in Poznan, as well as Director for European Affairs of NeuroRise Foundation. He's also working with the Heuridox, which is a close partner of ours as well. And Lukasz will discuss academic projects that he's leading that leverage natural language processing and generative AI to build tools called databases for human rights monitoring, really allowing that access to the databases. And this is a particularly important perspective because academic projects can often test new methods and explore prototypes. And so we're extremely delighted that you're all here with us. And yeah, I'll ass over the floor to Roberto. Thank you so much.
Roberto Cespedes
Thank you, Domenico. Good morning everyone here in the room and those joining online. Thank you for being here with us. Thanks to the Geneva Human Rights Hub, Frederick Norman Foundation and the Office of the High Commissioner for organizing this event. So I can speak a bit about Costa Rica's experience in our recommendations, how we track them, how we monitor and how we try to implement. I'll go back a bit just to tell you that we established in 2011 what we call, it's a very long name but it's like the Inter -Institutional Commission for the Follow -up of Recommendations. It's the NMIRF, National Mechanism for Follow -up. So this commission. This commission meets regularly. In principle, once a month, it's coordinated by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and it meets with most of the ministries in government, plus representatives from the judiciary and from parliament, plus the NHRI from our country, which is called the Ombudsman, the Defensoría de los Habitantes. And recently, although it had always existed, but it's now institutionalized, we have something called the Permanent Entity of Consultation, which is that it's two representatives from civil society who have a seat at the table at this commission in every meeting. And so what we do is, from there, every session we go through what's going on in each of our institutions, and check for... what they have been doing in implementation, but also how aware are they of what we are receiving, right? Because human rights recommendations will have been there for a long time, but there is a big challenge always of keeping up to date to what has been recommended, what we need to do in that space, what the government can do, and so it's a constant exercise in this regard. So we didn't have a lot of technical tools to do this until a few years ago. We tried a model that sort of worked, but now with the help of the Office of the High Commissioner, we introduced recently the NRTD in Costa Rica. And this has helped a lot to... actually give a lot of visibility to what has been recommended to us by treaty bodies, by the UPR, by special procedures, and to allow institutions to actually understand where they have these opportunities to implement a recommendation. The NRTD, we find it a very, I'm not promoting it, but I think it's very useful. It's a very flexible tool, and it's very intuitive. So we've had, in that sense, really appreciated the help of the office of the High Commissioner in this sense, because we've had experiences so far with the Ministries of Education and the... the health and our institution for child safety. in terms of what we can do, and they have found that the functionalities of the NRTD is quite useful. So in the end, this is about managing data that has always been there, but it's very difficult to access, at least for countries with limited resources, and also a big turnover in the people who are in charge of this. This is another of the challenges that we've faced constantly, but now we've introduced a constant training cycle for people both at our ministry and at all ministries on the NRTD. And I think this is also key because rotation tends to be quite high in some of these places, and maybe someone is there for one, two years, then they learn how to manage the two, and then... that knowledge is lost. So this idea of constantly training people has been incorporated in how we manage the NRTD. And the value, we've just recently started using it this year, but we already see the value of people inputting data and accessing data, and it's been commented in our meetings. And we are very encouraged that, you know, on the even short and medium term, we're going to see that we're going to be able to detect patterns of how people interpret what they're doing and on their inputs, based on their inputs into the system, and with the use of AI, how can this be improved, streamlined, and connected to other people. And this is something that we're going to be able to do in other parts of the government and civil society. I'll just end my first five minutes, sorry, I'm probably taking too long, mentioning that civil society is a big part of our implementation, and also we are moving ahead for them to be able to access in the future the NRTD. So that we don't only improve transparency, but we have civil society as a partner that builds on implementation and monitoring of the recommendations. So it's not only them observing from a distance, but actually making suggestions and being able to see what every part of the state is doing, and then come in and work together. With the state for our proper implementation. I'll leave it at
Domenico Zipoli
Thank you so much, but I have a lot of questions. It is so important also from our perspective of studying these tools and really grounding the practical reality of the use by governments of these tools because it's all well and good when the frame is well designed, but to understand the value of a tracking tool that is not just in storing recommendations, and in and of itself it's a useful thing at that, but also that of helping institutions organize themselves around the actual implementation patterns. So who is responsible? Just the fact of having a place where the responsible actor is identified really cleans the picture in a government structure. What information is needed? What has already been done? This aspect of pattern detection that automatically allows one to even consider possibilities for early warning because then patterns... often lead to some aspects.
Roberto Cespedes
Yes, maybe I'll comment one. Sorry to comment, but one of the functionalities that we found quite useful is the idea of clustering by topic or by theme so that entities have said, oh, okay, I see that this recommendation would enable us to work together with this or this other institution, right? So it increases communication between them and action eventually.
Domenico Zipoli
And sometimes I think that, sorry, I'll again take the floor. On the aspect of NMRF establishment, so not all member states have these national mechanisms for implementation reporting and follow -up. Sometimes what we say is that one way to establish an NMRF is to digitize your work through tracking tools because regardless of your structure, you then identify the different key implementing actors within that digital interface. So digitalization. helps also to institutionalize the work of different governments. Okay, so we've heard the user perspective. Now to the developer side, the initiator of this wonderful project that is now a few years old, I believe, right? Yes, so what is the NRTD? Maybe the trajectory and some of the plans for the future. Over to you,
Marie Eve Boyer
Maria. Thank you very much, Domenico. Can you hear me? Yes, okay, thank you very much. No, indeed, I think it's important to go backwards and understand why we came up with this idea of developing the National Recommendations Tracking Database. So maybe first, what is the problem that we are trying to solve at OHHR? We are really trying to be client -oriented. So the problem is that, indeed, it is, of course, an opportunity to have international bodies looking at the situation of every country We are trying to be client -oriented. We are trying to be client -oriented. assessing where the problems lie, what can be the solutions, providing guidance. This is, of course, an opportunity. But when you are a state, for example, I just came back from Brazil, and you have basically the Inter -American Commission that provides recommendations to you. You have the Inter -American Court that actually makes decisions that need to be complied with. You have the International Human Rights System with the Human Rights Council, the Universal Periodic Review, committees of experts. You also have special procedures, special reporters that visit the country, and Brazil is really a country that has been visited a lot. Just in the last year, I think there have been five special reporters that visited Brazil. So imagine, you know, with all these visits, a number of, you know, I would say problems that have been identified, recommendations that have been, you know, made. You know, where is the coherence among all of this? And I really think that from a human perspective, it's very difficult. sometimes to really think, okay, is there, I mean, this is a fragmented, it looks like a fragmented system, so is there coherence? And I think that actually the digital space can help bring that coherence or can help show that actually there is coherence. Because indeed, as you said, when you start clustering those recommendations, you see that, you know, all of them go in the same direction. There's no big contradiction. Contradiction really usually is, I would say, yeah, more isolated than anything else. So the problem that we are trying to solve is you have a lot of those recommendations. How can you bring all of this together in one place in order to really look at implementation? So actually what we started doing was, from a global perspective, to develop an online platform that is called the Universal Human Rights Index. And this is an online platform. It's an online platform anyone can access where you have all the, I would say, outcomes of the UN system. that you can search per country, per theme, per group, per sustainable development goal or target. And if you Google it UHRI, Universal Human Rights Index, you get to that online platform. And this was the starting point. But then we realized that actually what states needed and wanted, and again, really from a client orientation perspective, what they wanted was moving from standard setting and from guidance to implementation. And in order to do that, you need a tracking tool that enables you to look at recommendations and see their trajectory all the way to change at the community level, basically, at every citizen or every human level. So how do you do that? And that's how we developed the National Recommendations Tracking Database. And to be very honest, this is not the only tools that exist out there, as Domenico said, there are many of them. For us, it's good because the more, the merrier somehow, because this creates a community of developers who can look at the different tools and see, you know, how to improve the system. Also, of course, receiving feedback from states and from users is really key because that's how you can improve the tool. And we are doing it every day, you know, with the different states that we accompany throughout the process. Right now, we have 20 countries that are really using it, but we have basically 40 more that are, you know, waiting for this tool to be deployed in their country, but we just, you know, are lacking capacity also to accompany them. So, there is a demand. This is for sure. So, that's not a problem of demand. So, what we did was then using all the information that is in this Universal Human Rights Index and for that country that is not interested in the recommendations to other countries. Getting and migrating only the recommendations that pertain to that country. And then we basically developed functionalities where that, you know, country can cluster all the recommendations per theme, per SDG, per group, but also per ministry. Because as you said, looking at, you know, the government perspective, what they need to do is, okay, me as a civil servant, what is on my, you know, table basically to implement? What am I supposed to do? And am I supposed to lead it myself? Are we co -leading it with other ministries or other entities? Am I leading and others are going to complement and work together with us? So this is really this perspective that we try to embed in the NRTD. So clustering, assigning responsibility, because accountability is about that. And then it's about reporting. So it's about those ministries and all those entities, you know, to report on what has been done to implement those recommendations. Those different, the guidance, the direct, the... all the information that has been provided to them. And here I think an important aspect is, of course, data. And you talked about interoperability. It's not just somehow like a big word. It's really very, very concrete. Again, coming back to Brazil because I just came back, I mean, data exists. Not all data. There's definitely a lack as far as disaggregated data is concerned because, you know, the idea is to make the invisible populations visible for sure. But data is there. But there's so much data. How do you process this? And that's where AI comes into play, you know, to play because AI for us, and I think the Secretary General said it at the opening, You know, the idea is really to keep control. For us, that's the position of the United Nations. We do not want AI to take control. We want us to take control, but AI can really help. AI can help scale up, you know, the work, can help in basically spotting all the relevant data because data is there. But how do you spot? What is the data that is necessary for us to measure progress? Is there additional data that needs to be collected? All of this is really enabled by AI for us. So we provide AI assistance in the digital tracking tool for the government to look at the recommendations they need to follow up, the data that they have to see what can be used to report on progress, what needs to be actually, you know, developed. And that's really what we are trying to do right now. So that's what I could say. But maybe one thing that is important, I think, when we talk about human components, it's not just a word and saying, oh, yeah, human component. It's essential. You mentioned that some states first develop tracking tools and then build institutions. We are not of the view that this works in the long run. Why? Because precisely, Roberto did not want to mention other tools, but some tools have really shown limitations because there was no human component behind it to feed information in the system. I mean, AI is not going to do that. It's not going to create a reality. The reality is there. It affects people every day. So you need people who are working with communities who know the subject matters and who are able to enter data in the system, but not only enter, analyze it, have this reflection on what works, what doesn't work. What works in the country may not work. What works in the system may not work. What works in the country may not work. And this, for the time being, t least AI is not able to come into play. So getting really a sense of what AI can do and what humans will always need to do behind those tools. Thanks.
Domenico Zipoli
Excellent. Thank you so much, Marie -Eve, for this very important, I'd say, both institutional and design perspective. And I'd say that what you say also reminds us that, in a way, digital tools are not neutral containers. And so the design of digital tools from the get -go may eventually, down the line, also influence how recommendations are being implemented. So the attention on the design of these tools has to be absolutely ironclad because eventually it is how implementation will eventually become. We're going from, perhaps I'm exaggerating, but sometimes. When we discuss these issues, I tend to say that we're going from a... what we studied, right, during our masters on human rights about periodic reporting. I think that in the next five to ten years, now of course we'll head to the academic side of the conversation, but periodic reporting might eventually end up being a term that would be less and less used because it would be a continuous reporting. You know, information will always be there as long as it's open access. And I think this is a fascinating term for In Earth Space, and yeah, and it's a pleasure to live this trajectory with our partners both here on the panel and in the room. Okay. So we move now from existing institutional tools to, and I'm a big, big fan of what you
Lukasz Szoszkiewicz
you do, Lukasz, the academic and experimental space where natural language processing and generative AI are being tested in increasingly practical ways. But I'll leave that to Lukasz to discuss in further detail. Over to you. Thank you. Could you just provide me with the possibility to share my screen? I just sent the request, I think. Okay. So, just one second. Let's see if we've got... Or if you can share the screen, you can just open the link that I shared in chat, and that will be fine. Perfect. Thanks a lot, colleagues. Okay, so thank you so much for the introduction and for very interesting discussions earlier in the panel, and I will adjust my presentation to what I heard because I will build on different bits that you mentioned. Starting from Domenico, I'm representing academician perspective, so I perceive my role as an experimentalist and handing over results of what I do to other stakeholders, where of course the risks should be properly considered before these tools are deployed at scale. And secondly, I think that the Universal Human Rights Index is my favorite tool, and it was inspired by the work of the University of California at the University of California, for many of the things that you can see now. I am showing four of my projects that relate to human rights. You can scan whichever QR code you can see and you will be redirected to one of the tools. The first one, the tool that was the beginning of my journey with natural language processing, was a database of general comments that was subsequently extended to jurisprudence of UN treaty bodies and also thematic reports of UN special procedures. Then the dashboard for the analysis of Universal Human Rights Index recommendations because what I was missing as an academician was the lack of analytical layer. You have great data, you have very granular data, but you don't have plots. You cannot generate and track quantitative trends in data and if you have approximately 300 ,000 records, that's the most efficient way actually to digest what's there in the database. And... In other examples, For example, it's a European Court of Human Rights database that I'm currently developing, because again, here, for me as an academician, it's a great tool, but it can be upgraded, for instance, to allow for a paragraph -level search exactly like Universal Human Rights Index, but on judgments from the European Court of Human Rights. Because when you type in a keyword and you get 200, 1 ,000 results and you have to open all the tabs, it's not very efficient, and we can make it much more efficient today. And here is my first point, that software is just a tool for a task, and it refers to also what we mentioned before, that it used to take a lot of time and a lot of resources, and we had to adjust our needs to the software that was on the market, and to the licenses that we were able to secure. And currently with generative AI, it's exactly the opposite. We have that issue to solve, and with generative AI, we can build the software exactly to our needs, and just show you an example of Universal Human Rights Index. This is one of the applications that I developed. It's bringing together all... data from the Universal Human Rights Index, which is available for download in machine -readable format. And you can see different things like, you know, top countries that have the most records in the database, top themes, all the metadata basically that exists. You can, of course, go to like country profiles and check how, for instance, Switzerland is dealing with Universal Human Rights Index if it comes to themes, themes recommending, most frequent recommending bodies, concerned groups mentioned. So these are all metadata from Universal Human Rights Index, no generative AI involved at this stage. And this is also the important thing that you can leverage AI tools to generate code, scripts that work deterministically, not probabilistically like AI. So instead of uploading data sets to language models, to browser versions, to a version of ChatGPT or any other tool, you can generate scripts that will work exactly the same every time. And then you can... deploy them online like I did, and you can use them and be sure that they will work exactly the same every time. There's no room for hallucination, basically. So instead of using LLM to analyze data, you use LLMs to build tools to analyze data. And these tools, the code can be handed over to IT professionals that inspect it for cybersecurity issues before deploying, privacy issues, and whatever other issues with code can happen. Another example here is General Commons database. It was originally the General Commons database, but it expanded to jurisprudence of treaty bodies, special procedures. You can see that you can, yeah, like, you know, just search any term, basically, using different logical operators. You get the paragraph level, and that's also a good thing about working with UN documents that are very nicely structured. So paragraphs are always preceded by the number dot. It's very easy to extract text from PDFs. And as a lawyer, you typically... I'm a lawyer, and that's important. so caveat that I'm not an IT professional. I met a PhD in law, and I just learned things on the fly, and this will be the end of my presentation because I think it's an important thing to leave that space for experimentation. And here you can see, for instance, that after clicking on paragraph, you get the neighborhood, so like the preceding and subsequent paragraphs of the tool, which is important for a lawyer to understand the context better because the fact that you have a hit in a paragraph does not mean that it relates to the issue that you are trying to research, so we need that context. And this is an example of whatever feature I will think about, I will just communicate in natural language to the most cutting -edge AI model, and it will generate the code that I can host then online. And one of the examples that you can access was built last evening, and you can see what you can do in like two or three hours. And that's the last QR code. This leads me to my second point, and there is a great plot showing how software development changed already. You have a burger that is on the right representing traditional software development. You have the decision layer, so we as stakeholders decide what we need, what kind of disaggregation we need, whether we need paragraph level, document level, what kind of data from which ministries, institutions we need to fetch. Then we have the execution layer. These were three big burgers before, so the code generation. We were handing over technical specification to IT team that was developing the code. We were waiting, sometimes very long, sometimes it was very costly. And then we had the delivery bottom layer, which was basically testing whether it really does what it's supposed to do, doing some tweaks here and back with IT department and then communicating outside. And it's changing now, as you can see. The execution, code generation. It's extremely reliable, extremely easy with generative AI. And if you talk to IT. professionals, most of them will generate most of their code, even sometimes all of the code with AI because it's so reliable. And we can invest much of our time in decision -making layers. So we decide really what do we need. We do different prototypes, which you can see is the result of like 20 different prototypes that I tested. So I develop the full application instead of like a mock -up that is not clickable. So and then I test user interface and I can really arrive with a solution that is doing exactly what I want. And again, the delivery, it's an important thing that especially as a domain expertise and this is something important thing, the design and delivery layer cannot be done by IT professionals. So IT professional that does not human rights law, is not a lawyer, will not know what do you need as a lawyer. I have like 10 years of working with law, so I know that I need paragraph level, for instance. And I don't need the document level, even though maybe it's easier to implement and more efficient from the... performance point of view. And this is something that is to be done by domain experts, so I think that the space in the software development for domain experts like human rights experts is expanding, and the role of IT is decreasing relatively in the whole process. And also if it comes to assessing whether tools work as they should, the most important thing that is now in the context of AI is how to develop benchmarks. So how to measure whether something works as it is intended to work. And this is again something that can be done only by domain experts. It cannot be done by IT professionals who do not understand the human rights context. And to wrap up, this is just the last slide. I arrived to all these different tools by basically experimenting with things. Things that were, when I was starting back in 2022, starting with the launch of JetGPT 3 .5, I think it was like many people thought, well, I don't know how that it was impossible. you just go there, try it, and many other things are possible. And I think it resembles the RPG games. You have the Heroes 4, my favorite game from my childhood, where you cannot see the map, the full map. You just can see the surroundings. So that's the new model. And you think that, you know, maybe I will go this direction, it will work. Sometimes it does not, but sometimes it does. And very frequently it does, and I perceive my role as an academician, as a character that is exploring this territory. And, yeah, I hope that some of the things that I develop can be then used by institutions n international and national levels.
Domenico Zipoli
Thank you very much, Lucas. Honestly, you're such a game changer. And had we not have, if we hadn't this 45 -minute rule, I would have, actually, we did have it and I didn't interrupt it, because I think that this kind of work is super important, really seeing how technology enables the work of a human rights professional institution. It's such an easy, well, not easy, but easier than before. manner perhaps I'm simplifying but.
Lukasz Szoszkiewicz
I think it's easy and that's the point I think that also the mindset of IT developers is that you know the cold crushes very frequently and they are used to it and then just repeat and work and what I experienced because I'm teaching students that law students are not used to it for instance you know something crushes I'm not good at it it's not for me and
Domenico Zipoli
the mindset changing the mindset is very important excellent very good so we do have only five minutes there within or six to be precise it would be yes the time for for some questions and answers I know that we have representatives of tool well teams that have developed great and fascinating tools in the room as well so of course I'm looking at you first so there is question from the online our online colleagues as well yes please
Cecilia de Armas
Yes, hello. Yes, so I was saying that we are the team from the Global Torture Index at the OMCP, so we just had last week or two weeks ago the second edition of the launch. And a lot of the things discussed now, it really touches us in the sense that all the challenges and the good practices and the ups and downs appear on gathering information, gathering data where many states specifically in terms of torture is quite on purpose many times. And then so how to tackle the problem of data accessibility by governments, and then how do civil society enters, right? So now we have working with 100 NGOs at the national level to implement it in 39 countries, so the idea is next year to keep scaling, but then also the challenge of having a lot of data every year, right? So then from one side, we have a lot of data. Then we need to identify which is the data relevant to identify the risk on torture. And then also how do we visualize this and how do we communicate this also to the public because it is not only for us that we are interested in the topic and that we work on it, but then also that it reaches to the communities and then to the people in general. So first of all, huge thanks for this discussion. I think it was great from all the different perspectives. And then in this, we need more governments involved in this, basically. So we need governments to release data, also in terms of the catch recommendations on torture. So this is a huge gap. A lot of human rights violations. We are missing data from civil society to track progress. And then also we are welcome to be in discussions. I think the only, yes, we think that the only way is just to have dialogues with government, with civil society, with academia. And then just to identify the hot topics, let's say, to... to track progress. Because it's true that some governments... are improving things, but then some of these things are not seen or are not visible to everyone. And we also want to avoid this naming and shaming, right? So also to identify the good
Domenico Zipoli
Thank you very much, Cecilia. Yes, please. And if we can be short so that the questions will then also represent, or the replies to the questions will represent your closing thoughts. Thank you very much.
Axel Leblois
I'm Axel Lebreu from G -State. We have been monitoring the CRPD, the Convention on the Rights of Persuasive Disabilities, for the past 20 years. Our current main tool is the DARE Index, the Digital Accessibility Rights Evaluation Index. We work with 143 countries where we have teams of local advocates feeding the data. And my question is very clear, simple, is we structure our research always in structure. We do it in a way that we can do it in a way that we can do it in a way that we can do it country commitments, country capacity, and outcome. And the variables are classified under those three legs. And the structure, process, and outcomes is kind of traditional human rights monitoring structure. And my question is the following. With AI, what we notice is it's pretty simple at this time to actually gather data for the first two legs. You can easily find, so that's research. What's going on in a country for commitments, even processes. But in the outcome field, you are entering a huge field of hallucination without user feedback, without the end user analysis and documented feedback as to what's going on really for the people who are supposed to be protected. So my question to you is how can you get the valid data? For that third leg. And knowing as well that the human rights treaties, bodies at OHCHR have a very long cycle, like several years for the Council to come back nd everything, when actually things are going so very fast in the field.
Domenico Zipoli
Thank you very much. And this also goes hand in hand with one of the questions from our online participants, really also the evolution from monitoring to implementation of this day and age. So we have literally 30 seconds each. So a closing statement, I know I'm well aware of the problem. Oh, five more. Okay, thank you so much. Okay, so we've got five minutes left. But I may also... One more question. I would also like to add that we could also continue our conversations, and I can see that there's a need for that at our booth. It's up at the AI for Good Expo, booth 117. It's close to the Friedrich Naumann Stiftungs booth, so you're more than welcome to join us here. But, yes, I would... I would say if we could start from Lukasz, Marijew, and Robert.
Lukasz Szoszkiewicz
Thank you. And regarding the question on data accessibility, this is... and the government, this is exactly the bottleneck. Because once you have the data, even if it's unstructured with AI, it's very easy to make it structured. But we need data. And if we don't have data, it leads me to the second question. We're coming to hallucinations. So there are ways to reduce hallucinations, though, a lot of them. And there are great studies that are testing different AI models, which are targeting legal domain and non -legal domain. And the reduction in hallucination rate and also in how persuasive they are, it's huge. The difference is huge. So it does not mean... And the tools that I built, for instance, I use large language models for semantic similarity, but they invoke paragraphs verbatim, do not change. So everything is like a decision of a designer, and you can reduce hallucinations to a very, very low level. I wouldn't say that you can entirely get rid of them, but you can reduce them to a very, very low level. But it's... t's a long process, I would say, and it's very tricky still to do it. And we need data for that.
Marie Eve Boyer
Thanks very much, and thanks for your interest and also for the interesting tools that you also have, which is really great. Maybe to just talk about, especially I thought it was really interesting what you mentioned about torture, because right now at OHHR, we're doing a study on all of the information that is being requested by treaty bodies. Because, you know, it's a lot. If you look at the recommendations in the list of issues prior to reporting, so before states report, and then when they receive guidance, there are a lot of actually indicators, and there's a lot that is being asked to states. And this is, we've not talked a lot about that, but, you know, small islands and least developed countries, you know, there's a huge data gap and capacity to collect data. So they need to prioritize. And, of course, here there's also a political aspect. to it, right? So we basically started this research with recommendations from the Committee Against Torture, because here what we saw indeed is that what states need also is some guidance on really the minimum sets of data that they need to collect. And here we have a big problem, because indeed we are already not there in all countries. If you look at prosecutions, for example, and especially on some crimes, gender -based violence, all these aspects are really undercovered. So it's about right now what we're doing is really looking at what is the minimum set of data that needs to be basically collected, and indeed then you need independent institutions to collect that data in order not to be, I would say, hijacked. But I would say that there's also, I think, a lot of evidence that says that the minimum set of data is actually the minimum set of data that needs to be collected. So I think that's a really important point. Thank you. you know, a positive or an optimistic side of things. You were talking about outcome indicators. If you look at the SDGs, SDG indicators are all about outcomes. So the idea is not, you know, it's also to see how we can ork together with the SDGs so that we can, you know, get to this minimum data set that is needed to track progress.
Roberto Cespedes
Thanks. Thank you. And very quickly, the question you posed is quite challenging, but I think it goes back to accessibility of data. And it is a big step for governments to know what to ask, what to record, and then the balance between objectivity and subjectivity of success in implementation is a tricky issue. But I think with these kinds of tools, and especially with, what Lucas was saying, of analysis, this might be able to, in the future, probably very near future, give us a sense of how well we are doing. I think that there is a lot of things that we do as states that go underreported because we don't know that we are doing that. It would be easy for us to say, okay, we input this data, tell some code or program to say, well, this data came in, do you think that this was generated by an action of government and is this complying with a recommendation? Probably the answer is yes, but a lot of people don't know that they are doing it. And then from there, we can move to other models at the community level. to see what's going on. I think constantly asking people what they think is key is something that we need to improve on. And, of course, there's a lot of models on how to properly do this, but that's another opportunity out there. I think it's going to to be probably easier and cheaper to start monitoring satisfaction and then linking it up with what we are doing on the ground.
Domenico Zipoli
Wonderful. Thank you so very much to, above all, our speakers, but also to everybody here in the room, to all of you online. It's been an absolute pleasure to spend these 51 minutes with you. Thank you for the additional time. And lastly, a big thanks, of course, to our friends from the FNF Human Rights Hub and OHCHR for the discussion. You're more than welcome to join us up at the exposition area for the continuation of this discussion. Thanks a lot. Thank you.

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